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On August 14 2011 09:30 TDN3 wrote:
So, NASL jumping out with 2 pages of saying SC2con is a bad guy and we're a good guy. Now, it turns out that only 4 teams made decision and it had nothing to do with SC2con. lol...NASL needs to to be more professional than their streaming production tbh.
Well sc2con is clearly involved as they are trying to prevent teams from taking part in NASL
And as for the NASL.tv poster, I'd guess its Russ or Xeris.
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On August 14 2011 09:32 Bobster wrote:
Does not really matter if this does not change the facts of the (unreasonable, imo) demands of the Koreans towards NASL (who come across as tremendously accommodating and generous in the matter).
Whether the Korean teams put forth those demands, or SC2con, or some sort of committee or whether Santa Claus did it does not really matter in the end.
Exactly. Obviously saying it was sc2con when it wasn't (and NASL doesn't say sc2 con in the official announcement btw) is wrong. But it doesn't make what the Korean teams did any less wrong.
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On August 14 2011 08:57 Lord_J wrote:
Color me not surprised that the NASL's self-serving statements are more than a little inaccurate.
It's just as likely that SC2Con is being self-serving by pretending that they have no influence or involvement in the business matters of individual teams -- which they obviously do.
Let's reserve judgement until more people speak out.
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Sounds like a complete argument of semantics from the Koreans. Oh, all of the teams agreed under these things, but it wasn't actually the sc2con. So it doesn't count.
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On August 14 2011 09:10 NASL.tv wrote:
To clarify: I don't know the exact dynamic that is going on in Korea right now. However, what I do know is that it was (apparently) a collective decision of Korean teams. My first draft had written "SC2 Korean Team Committee." In an effort to not write that every time, I wrote SC2Con upon learning that SC2Con was a committee of the Korean teams.
If, this was just the decision of a few of the teams, then I of course would like to apologize to SC2Con as an organization for mentioning their name.
However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con.
So it's hard for me to know what is going on in Korea right now -- but I truly would like to apologize for using SC2Con incorrectly if it is indeed the case that the organization is not responsible!
I want to say right now, that I fully support NASL and NASL's efforts, and even though tuition hikes have dictated that I cannot afford a season ticket this time, I will still continue to watch the stream and fully support NASL and NA e-sports.
I don't know what the hell is going on but I have lost respect for every Korean team involved in this situation as well as the SC2Con. This entire situation is absurd. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. They're breaking contract plain and simple, and instead of providing a timely professional simple clean cut explanation, we get convoluted bullshit and passing the buck. So great is the confusion, that noone even knows what the hell the confusion is about, or who is confused. Could, maybe, possibly, someone give NASL a reasonable explanation, a pointed statement of some kind, instead of beating around the bush?
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On August 14 2011 09:14 godemperor wrote:Show nested quote +The recent troubles with NASL were the result of SC2CON's actions, but rather were actions taken by the individual teams. Did you miss the "NOT" in the first sentence, or else it does not make much sense.
o.o Yes I did. Fixed. Thx
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Are we in the dark about FXO and MVP situation and why SC2Con doesn't want them to participate in NASL? If so, I don't think we should tie this situation and that together into 1 problem.
If there are info, could someone link please?
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On August 14 2011 09:37 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Sounds like a complete argument of semantics from the Koreans. Oh, all of the teams agreed under these things, but it wasn't actually the sc2con. So it doesn't count.
That's exactly what I suspect.
It's like a boss telling you that he's going to garnish your wages if you don't work an extra 16 hours a week. But y'know, it's totally your decision.
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On August 14 2011 09:40 nitdkim wrote:
Are we in the dark about FXO and MVP situation and why SC2Con doesn't want them to participate in NASL? If so, I don't think we should tie this situation and that together into 1 problem.
If there are info, could someone link please?
This. If there's no SC2Con involvement then MVP and FXO should be fine to join up. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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If the NASL folks are saying that they have no idea what's going on in Korea I don't see why posters here act like they do. Just wait for more information to come out instead of pretending your opinions have any basis.
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On August 14 2011 09:43 Redmark wrote:
If the NASL folks are saying that they have no idea what's going on in Korea I don't see why posters here act like they do. Just wait for more information to come out instead of pretending your opinions have any basis.
It doesn't matter what they call themselves. NASL might not know if they're dealing with sc2con or just the teams... but it doesn't change what has already happened, which is what people are upset about. I don't think anybody gives 2 shit whether it was sc2con or the teams banding together to make this decision, the results are the same.
The only thing that it changes is the idea of them blocking sc/mvp, but that's still a sidestory as far as I'm concerned.
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FXOBoss or anyone else,
What are the benefits of dealing with SC2Con, exactly? And what do they actually do as a governing organization?
Do they have a board of governors?
A charter of player's rights?
Do they offer health insurance?
Are they financially liable in anyway?
I'm not being facetious. Most union's or independent organizations actually do something or have so kind of mission or agenda. What is theirs?
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On August 14 2011 09:45 Defacer wrote:
FXOBoss or anyone else,
What are the benefits of dealing with SC2Con, exactly? And what do they actually do as a governing organization?
Do they have a board of governors?
A charter of player's rights?
Do they offer health insurance?
Are they financially liable in anyway?
I'm not being facetious. Most union's or independent organizations actually do something or have so kind of mission or agenda. What is theirs?
And finally the correct question has been asked!
Answer: + Show Spoiler +They read the rules to the coaches before GTSL matches
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On August 14 2011 09:45 Defacer wrote:
FXOBoss or anyone else,
What are the benefits of dealing with SC2Con, exactly? And what do they actually do as a governing organization?
Do they have a board of governors?
A charter of player's rights?
Do they offer health insurance?
Are they financially liable in anyway?
I'm not being facetious. Most union's or independent organizations actually do something or have so kind of mission or agenda. What is theirs?
Sadly I don't think you're going to get much information.
I think the worst part of all of this is that I feel like the people involved, meaning the players and teams like FXO and MVP, are too intimidated to speak openly about the issue because they don't want to be the odd one out.
I just can't put my head around why it matters so much. Where does SC2Con get all of this power and influence from?
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On August 14 2011 09:47 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 09:45 Defacer wrote:
FXOBoss or anyone else,
What are the benefits of dealing with SC2Con, exactly? And what do they actually do as a governing organization?
Do they have a board of governors?
A charter of player's rights?
Do they offer health insurance?
Are they financially liable in anyway?
I'm not being facetious. Most union's or independent organizations actually do something or have so kind of mission or agenda. What is theirs?
And finally the correct question has been asked! Answer: + Show Spoiler +They read the rules to the coaches before GTSL matches
Are you fucking shitting me? LOL. Well, that's something.
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On August 14 2011 09:44 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 09:43 Redmark wrote:
If the NASL folks are saying that they have no idea what's going on in Korea I don't see why posters here act like they do. Just wait for more information to come out instead of pretending your opinions have any basis. It doesn't matter what they call themselves. NASL might not know if they're dealing with sc2con or just the teams... but it doesn't change what has already happened, which is what people are upset about. I don't think anybody gives 2 shit whether it was sc2con or the teams banding together to make this decision, the results are the same. The only thing that it changes is the idea of them blocking sc/mvp, but that's still a sidestory as far as I'm concerned.
I think its a pretty big deal whether other teams are getting blocked. I mean if some Koreans play its basically free money without the competition for those players. At the amount of money we're talking I can't imagine the players being okay with FXO/MvP players just getting the shot at 100 grand each season.
And if they are, fine. We'll still see great games, there will be a good number of top Koreans and foreigners participating. It will be to the detriment of those teams. If ALL of Korea is blocked, then its just the spectators that lose
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Does the SC2Con exist just because they're used to KeSPA from BW?
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strikes me as a technicality, not anything that had a real difference in effect
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On August 14 2011 09:50 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 09:47 iCCup.Diamond wrote:On August 14 2011 09:45 Defacer wrote:
FXOBoss or anyone else,
What are the benefits of dealing with SC2Con, exactly? And what do they actually do as a governing organization?
Do they have a board of governors?
A charter of player's rights?
Do they offer health insurance?
Are they financially liable in anyway?
I'm not being facetious. Most union's or independent organizations actually do something or have so kind of mission or agenda. What is theirs?
And finally the correct question has been asked! Answer: + Show Spoiler +They read the rules to the coaches before GTSL matches Are you fucking shitting me? LOL. Well, that's something.
I thought SC2CON was a union made by the players, coaches, and managers. Where they try to establish guidelines on player working conditions, conflicts among teams, and stuff like that.
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Conclusion: Anything involving SC2Con will be convoluted as fuck.
Do they really just read the rules before the GSTL matches?
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