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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:21 NicolBolas wrote: And how would SlayerS, oGs, or any other Korean team be any less biased than the NASL or SC2Con? Well so far NASL has been able to back up what they said so... | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On August 14 2011 09:10 NASL.tv wrote: To clarify: I don't know the exact dynamic that is going on in Korea right now. However, what I do know is that it was (apparently) a collective decision of Korean teams. My first draft had written "SC2 Korean Team Committee." In an effort to not write that every time, I wrote SC2Con upon learning that SC2Con was a committee of the Korean teams. If, this was just the decision of a few of the teams, then I of course would like to apologize to SC2Con as an organization for mentioning their name. However, I am particularly puzzled by several things: a) namely that FXO was arguing with SC2Con about sC participating in the NASL, and that the MVP team is currently trying to participate in NASL but being blocked by SC2Con. So it's hard for me to know what is going on in Korea right now -- but I truly would like to apologize for using SC2Con incorrectly if it is indeed the case that the organization is not responsible! Please don't use my team and our discussions with sc2con (not arguments) in your defence. Bottom line for me is if a player wants to play, they will play. I don't argue with organisations who do not control foreign tournaments. Our discussions are with sC and choya mostly, and it has alot to do with whether they feel comfortable going against the trend from teams who are most willingly not participating in the NASL. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
 ! I'm going to wait until I hear some official statement or if a representative of the Korean teams wants to talk to me. Too many things are confusing even me right now. | ||
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Lexxes
Sweden144 Posts
On August 14 2011 12:12 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: And then we would wait until you or someone translates said statement before saying who is right or wrong. ouch, that one hurt | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:26 FXOpen wrote: Please don't use my team and our discussions with sc2con (not arguments) in your defence. Bottom line for me is if a player wants to play, they will play. I don't argue with organisations who do not control foreign tournaments. Our discussions are with sC and choya mostly, and it has alot to do with whether they feel comfortable going against the trend from teams who are most willingly not participating in the NASL. Is there pressure from them to boycott NASL? This sounds like essentially a strike, whether it's formally organized by sc2con or not. If you're willing to pay to fly people to MLG, which has a much small prize pool (and doesn't offer free flights or anything, outside of the 4 GSL invites), I don't see any reason why NASL wouldn't be worth it to participate in. | ||
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StatX
Canada343 Posts
I mean with the MLG exchange and most koreans participating in American and European events, this might be in the best interest of SC2 as an ESport. | ||
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:26 FXOpen wrote: Please don't use my team and our discussions with sc2con (not arguments) in your defence. Bottom line for me is if a player wants to play, they will play. I don't argue with organisations who do not control foreign tournaments. Our discussions are with sC and choya mostly, and it has alot to do with whether they feel comfortable going against the trend from teams who are most willingly not participating in the NASL. And yet again light is shown that nasl is improperly using information to both create drama and to make themselves seem righteous. Thank you for at least some light in this situation fxoboss. I still await the korean official response before I make judgment but this entire fiasco is one giant clusterf*ck of misinformation. A lot of which is coming from poor translations, biased reports, and netizen speculation. I hope this works out for both sides at the end and we can all just move on. This shit is literally killing esports. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:47 Kazeyonoma wrote: And yet again light is shown that nasl is improperly using information to both create drama and to make themselves seem righteous. Thank you for at least some light in this situation fxoboss. I still await the korean official response before I make judgment but this entire fiasco is one giant clusterf*ck of misinformation. A lot of which is coming from poor translations, biased reports, and netizen speculation. I hope this works out for both sides at the end and we can all just move on. This shit is literally killing esports. Hmmm... | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with some of you people. Oh and, always wait for both sides of the story before jumping on the fucking bandwagon. | ||
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skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
LOL. I was thinking the same thing. Xeris has a thing or two to learn about political correctness and just business-speak in general, but I don't think he meant anything malicious by it. The original post implied that SC2Con was not involved in the decisions of the individual teams. And so he defended the NASL. While he may have misrepresented FXO's situation, it's quite clear that SC2Con is some kind of stakeholder in the Korean community, or else they wouldn't be consulted at all. | ||
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Carbonthief
United States289 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:55 youngminii wrote: Holy fucking batshit, why are people still getting uppity about Koreans not choosing to join a league? They don't want to spend money to go to the NASL, leave them the fuck alone. Especially the NASL team, stop putting a god damn negative spin on all your statements to make the Koreans look bad. Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with some of you people. Oh and, always wait for both sides of the story before jumping on the fucking bandwagon. they're not, they're getting uppity about signing a fucking contract agreeing to play in a league and them breaking that contract at the last minute after production had already started. This is completely different from just simply not playing in the NASL. Boxer chose not to play in s2, and noone has a problem with that. The problem is that they DID decide to play s2, signed a contract, and then broke it at the last minute, and have yet to come forward with any word on the reasons why. All anyone has gotten is secondhand statements, denials, and pointing fingers. | ||
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samd
United States77 Posts
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Blitz Beat
United States178 Posts
On August 14 2011 14:02 Carbonthief wrote: they're not, they're getting uppity about signing a fucking contract agreeing to play in a league and them breaking that contract at the last minute after production had already started. This is completely different from just simply not playing in the NASL. Boxer chose not to play in s2, and noone has a problem with that. The problem is that they DID decide to play s2, signed a contract, and then broke it at the last minute, and have yet to come forward with any word on the reasons why. All anyone has gotten is secondhand statements, denials, and pointing fingers. Whats the difference between what the Koreans are doing right now and... lets say... Osi with the Giants, CJohnson with the Titans, or any other football player that holds out on their contract because they want to renegotiate terms? Answer: None. Its something that is allowed unless the contract explicitly includes a penalty for this exact scenario. My guess is that the penalty is deductions from the 500 dollars security but oh wait... no deposit was made. If the penalties are too light for the Koreans to care, if they want to hold out and re-negotiate, or if the contract itself wasn't binding, then too bad for NASL. Koreans have the leverage. NASL needs them more than they need NASL (it hurts both parties but cmon... NASL loses out on far more possible revenue and exposure than the invited Koreans who are already well known and famous). Oh, and theres an episode of Lo3 where Scoots talks about contracts and he states along the lines of - if the guy is willing to break the contract and eat the penalty then so be it. thats what penalty clauses are for. It happens all the time. Players get invited to something, they withdraw or decline on short notice. Tough luck. This is just NASL being bitter right now. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On August 14 2011 13:26 FXOpen wrote: Please don't use my team and our discussions with sc2con (not arguments) in your defence. Bottom line for me is if a player wants to play, they will play. I don't argue with organisations who do not control foreign tournaments. Our discussions are with sC and choya mostly, and it has alot to do with whether they feel comfortable going against the trend from teams who are most willingly not participating in the NASL. Why would they have to feel comfortable going against the trend from the other teams? Are they afraid of repercussions if they do go? If they want to go, they should go, just like FXOpen said. It doesn't matter what the other teams are doing, unless there is pressuring going on from the other teams. | ||
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OneWhoIsMany
Canada292 Posts
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