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On August 14 2011 14:18 OneWhoIsMany wrote:
The lack of information from Koreans on this is rather telling of the situation, its very likely a mix of incompetence and attempting to hide information. You don't just drop out of a league that puts up 100K in prize money that can be played online and makes a deal to pay a significant amount (if not all) travel expenses without other deeper reasons. Time will tell I suppose.
it's only been a few days and individual teams are preparing their own statements on the matter.
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On August 14 2011 14:02 Carbonthief wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 13:55 youngminii wrote:
Holy fucking batshit, why are people still getting uppity about Koreans not choosing to join a league? They don't want to spend money to go to the NASL, leave them the fuck alone. Especially the NASL team, stop putting a god damn negative spin on all your statements to make the Koreans look bad.
Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with some of you people.
Oh and, always wait for both sides of the story before jumping on the fucking bandwagon. they're not, they're getting uppity about signing a fucking contract agreeing to play in a league and them breaking that contract at the last minute after production had already started. This is completely different from just simply not playing in the NASL. Boxer chose not to play in s2, and noone has a problem with that. The problem is that they DID decide to play s2, signed a contract, and then broke it at the last minute, and have yet to come forward with any word on the reasons why. All anyone has gotten is secondhand statements, denials, and pointing fingers.
Ya, this is how i see it. From the information that is out there it is looking like the koreans are doing some pretty shady business dealings. But as it has been shown, before the whole story is out there i will withhold my judgment.
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I don't really see what's so wrong about the Korean teams pulling out of NASL. If I had to practice for GSL and GSTL, I wouldn't bother playing in a 2AM tournament when there are practice sessions everyday. They would also have to practice for outdated maps that GSL doesn't use. And the hassle of flying over to the US.
Unless I knew I had a high chance of winning a lot of money, if I were them I'd pull out too.
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On August 14 2011 14:52 IntoTheEmo wrote:
I don't really see what's so wrong about the Korean teams pulling out of NASL. If I had to practice for GSL and GSTL, I wouldn't bother playing in a 2AM tournament when there are practice sessions everyday. They would also have to practice for outdated maps that GSL doesn't use. And the hassle of flying over to the US.
Unless I knew I had a high chance of winning a lot of money, if I were them I'd pull out too.
You're missing the points mentioned many times in this thread and the original thread about the NASL situation. It isn't about the fact that they declined, it is moreso that they decided to pull out at the last moment and also that they provided no explanation for what had occurred.
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On August 14 2011 14:38 Quintum_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:02 Carbonthief wrote:On August 14 2011 13:55 youngminii wrote:
Holy fucking batshit, why are people still getting uppity about Koreans not choosing to join a league? They don't want to spend money to go to the NASL, leave them the fuck alone. Especially the NASL team, stop putting a god damn negative spin on all your statements to make the Koreans look bad.
Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with some of you people.
Oh and, always wait for both sides of the story before jumping on the fucking bandwagon. they're not, they're getting uppity about signing a fucking contract agreeing to play in a league and them breaking that contract at the last minute after production had already started. This is completely different from just simply not playing in the NASL. Boxer chose not to play in s2, and noone has a problem with that. The problem is that they DID decide to play s2, signed a contract, and then broke it at the last minute, and have yet to come forward with any word on the reasons why. All anyone has gotten is secondhand statements, denials, and pointing fingers. Ya, this is how i see it. From the information that is out there it is looking like the koreans are doing some pretty shady business dealings. But as it has been shown, before the whole story is out there i will withhold my judgment.
Wait for their side sure, but they should have LONG given their side, before signing the contract even, it's faaaaar too late to simply dismiss it with a "just wait for their side of the story." Here we are, past the time when NASL had already started production, and we still await their side of the fucking story.
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On August 14 2011 15:05 stormchaser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:52 IntoTheEmo wrote:
I don't really see what's so wrong about the Korean teams pulling out of NASL. If I had to practice for GSL and GSTL, I wouldn't bother playing in a 2AM tournament when there are practice sessions everyday. They would also have to practice for outdated maps that GSL doesn't use. And the hassle of flying over to the US.
Unless I knew I had a high chance of winning a lot of money, if I were them I'd pull out too. You're missing the points mentioned many times in this thread and the original thread about the NASL situation. It isn't about the fact that they declined, it is moreso that they decided to pull out at the last moment and also that they provided no explanation for what had occurred.
Explaination was that NASL and the teams couldn't reach an agreement on travel expenses.
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On August 14 2011 15:33 nitdkim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 15:05 stormchaser wrote:On August 14 2011 14:52 IntoTheEmo wrote:
I don't really see what's so wrong about the Korean teams pulling out of NASL. If I had to practice for GSL and GSTL, I wouldn't bother playing in a 2AM tournament when there are practice sessions everyday. They would also have to practice for outdated maps that GSL doesn't use. And the hassle of flying over to the US.
Unless I knew I had a high chance of winning a lot of money, if I were them I'd pull out too. You're missing the points mentioned many times in this thread and the original thread about the NASL situation. It isn't about the fact that they declined, it is moreso that they decided to pull out at the last moment and also that they provided no explanation for what had occurred. Explaination was that NASL and the teams couldn't reach an agreement on travel expenses.
no they had already signed an agreement beforehand. The fact that travel expenses became a problem qwas their fault.
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On August 14 2011 15:20 Carbonthief wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 14:38 Quintum_ wrote:On August 14 2011 14:02 Carbonthief wrote:On August 14 2011 13:55 youngminii wrote:
Holy fucking batshit, why are people still getting uppity about Koreans not choosing to join a league? They don't want to spend money to go to the NASL, leave them the fuck alone. Especially the NASL team, stop putting a god damn negative spin on all your statements to make the Koreans look bad.
Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with some of you people.
Oh and, always wait for both sides of the story before jumping on the fucking bandwagon. they're not, they're getting uppity about signing a fucking contract agreeing to play in a league and them breaking that contract at the last minute after production had already started. This is completely different from just simply not playing in the NASL. Boxer chose not to play in s2, and noone has a problem with that. The problem is that they DID decide to play s2, signed a contract, and then broke it at the last minute, and have yet to come forward with any word on the reasons why. All anyone has gotten is secondhand statements, denials, and pointing fingers. Ya, this is how i see it. From the information that is out there it is looking like the koreans are doing some pretty shady business dealings. But as it has been shown, before the whole story is out there i will withhold my judgment. Wait for their side sure, but they should have LONG given their side, before signing the contract even, it's faaaaar too late to simply dismiss it with a "just wait for their side of the story." Here we are, past the time when NASL had already started production, and we still await their side of the fucking story.
You are preaching to the choir man, i agree with you man. Barring something big like the NASL cheating the koreans out of prize money or something along those lines this is a total douchbag move by them. They where given even more favorable conditions on top of the contract they had already signed and still screwed the NASL over.
People are always saying the korea society is all about honor and what not so it just sounds so unlike them to do something like this. And like i said past events have shown that jumping to conclusions is never the smart thing to do.
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Like it has been said, I don't have a problem with them not participating, but the way they went about it and agreed to the terms, then wanted them to change and then pull out when production has started... its just very unprofessional.
I really don't see what they can say that will change my mind on that. I mean even if they have some amazing reason why they pulled out, why agree to join in the first place? They just botched how they handled this.
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On August 14 2011 16:22 jmbthirteen wrote:
Like it has been said, I don't have a problem with them not participating, but the way they went about it and agreed to the terms, then wanted them to change and then pull out when production has started... its just very unprofessional.
I really don't see what they can say that will change my mind on that. I mean even if they have some amazing reason why they pulled out, why agree to join in the first place? They just botched how they handled this.
Exactly, that has always been my main problem with the situation. If they handled it like Boxer did, the furor over it would have been a hell of a lot less.
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This reminds me of how the NFLPA decertified and then claimed to not to be a union anymore but continued to negotiate as if they were.
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I refuse to believe, if this is true, that every team gets their own say in the matter, but none of them agreed to come for 2 thousand dollars to play. And on top of that, how is it that they all demanded the same exact thing, and yet they all denied the last attempt from NASL at the most inconvenient time. This is assuming that what SC2con has said about teams having their own decisions holds true. This is really confusing, and if the information is true from NASL, which I can't really understand them badmouthing the same people that net them well over 50% of their profits, then it seems that SC2con is beating around the bush and are seemingly lying through their teeth at this point, and/or refusing to announce anything..
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On August 14 2011 16:44 Rickilicious wrote:
I refuse to believe, if this is true, that every team gets their own say in the matter, but none of them agreed to come for 2 thousand dollars to play. And on top of that, how is it that they all demanded the same exact thing, and yet they all denied the last attempt from NASL at the most inconvenient time. This is assuming that what SC2con has said about teams having their own decisions holds true. This is really confusing, and if the information is true from NASL, which I can't really understand them badmouthing the same people that net them well over 50% of their profits, then it seems that SC2con is beating around the bush and are seemingly lying through their teeth at this point..
Exactly.
Why would someone like MC, who placed second in NASL and has won tons of prize money the past year, have any financial reason not to participate in the NASL?
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On August 14 2011 16:44 Rickilicious wrote:
I refuse to believe, if this is true, that every team gets their own say in the matter, but none of them agreed to come for 2 thousand dollars to play. And on top of that, how is it that they all demanded the same exact thing, and yet they all denied the last attempt from NASL at the most inconvenient time. This is assuming that what SC2con has said about teams having their own decisions holds true. This is really confusing, and if the information is true from NASL, which I can't really understand them badmouthing the same people that net them well over 50% of their profits, then it seems that SC2con is beating around the bush and are seemingly lying through their teeth at this point, and/or refusing to announce anything..
Well the teams did discuss this together. It was a committee of the Korean teams in NASL and not sc2con that made the decision, supposedly. I think it was said somewhere that sc2con played an organizing role in this, but not a deciding role.
I think they view a united front as a stronger one and that if all the teams are together that NASL would be more inclined to give in to them.
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So much miscommunication, the korean teams really need to clean up the mess and make clear who is able to speak for them and who does not.
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On August 14 2011 08:46 Primadog wrote:
I think at this point we're all tired and wary of sc2con and their awfully poor attempts in mitigating blames. It's obvious that they are not the proper governing body for korean starcraft 2.
Indeed, no matter what is going on, a organization who claims to govern the sc2 teams in Korea should have a firm grip on what they say and what is said about them, meaning whenever they say something, they better make sure it is the truth and stick with it (e.g. TSL incidence) and whenever somebody says something else, there better be a quick and sharp responce clearing this matter up.
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I like how SC2CON denies everything when there's a public statement? I tell you what, keep posting whatever they say online. They seem a group of coward people who cannot stand behind their words and keep changing to look better to some.
Tired of them. Why do you need to create an organization like that to "protect yourself", when it ends up being a dictatorship over you? WHY?
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I don't believe SC2Con on this matter. After all, it is made up of a collection of teams and they made a collective decision together. If the teams were the ones making up individual decisions, I would've expected that at least some to participate.
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