EPTKorean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 114
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Gnomie
Denmark39 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:57 DystopiaX wrote: But competing for a 100000 prize pool isn't the same thing as competing for 100000... Also the TL Opens are easier money for the Koreans, even if the 3 months hard work pays off they still have to face other top Koreans, and possibly not make up their money if they lose first round. And they are still making more money by getting one of the bottom 8 spots than they do in the TL Opens. Sure they are easier money, but they still play great top foreign players and some great Korean players. All for $100 grand prize. Seriously, waking up for a 4 am match once a week isn't that bad. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:59 jmbthirteen wrote: I don't think all of that is completely correct. There is sc2con (the committee putting the ban on NASL). sc2con is made up of the teams managers and the president of the sc2 players association which is meant to represent the players. Thats who FD and Tester went to and sc2pa brought it up with sc2con to judge TSL. Yes, sc2con is different from the sc2 player's association | ||
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Soohard
19 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:42 Honeybadger wrote: Uh, think about two thousand dollars. Two. Thousand. Dollars. I researched flight costs. about $650 round trip. that's $1300 in pocket money, just for making it to the grand finals. I don't think you understand who gets to call the shots. It's the NASL's tournament. Not GOM's. They can kick and scream until the cows come home and it's still wrong for them to do that when an unbelievably generous offer is laid out right there in front of them, with no downsides. It's equivalent to a child throwing a temper tantrum because the toy his parents bought him for no real reason just wasn't big enough. Screw that. ROFL 650 dollars for round trip half way around the world? I can barely get a single plane ticket for under 400 dollars to travel across the US and im booking it in months in advanced. Most koreans that have to come to NASL have to book a week before they headout because they arent sure if they are actually in or not. I would say for a round trip flight in a short notice would be easily 1500 dollars. And we all know the insane amount of money for bag fees plus a week in a hotel room could easily cost up to 100 dollars per night. Sure they get 2000 dollars but if they convert it to korean currency about 5 percent of that will be cut. Also normal people like to have someone travel with them who knows the language and etc. So two flights can easily be 3000 dollars. NASL needs to fix this now, or just have NASL in korea, the grand finals were mostly koreans anyways. How many north Americans were actually in the grand finals? 1? 0? I understand most of them live in korea or in EU. It would be better if it was in korea just sayin | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:58 goodistar wrote: Finally the tournament has a name that suits well Then why does it have European and Taiwanese players playing in it? I'm getting tired of bringing this up WHENEVER someone mentions this, but it's stupid enough to warrant correction every time. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:59 jmbthirteen wrote: I don't think all of that is completely correct. There is sc2con (the committee putting the ban on NASL). sc2con is made up of the teams managers and the president of the sc2 players association which is meant to represent the players. Thats who FD and Tester went to and sc2pa brought it up with sc2con to judge TSL. Okay, now this is getting too damned complicated. A subcommittee of a committee of -most- of the teams? What the hell does such a thing even need to exist for, lol. I'm going back to studying things that make sense to me. Mmmmmm, choledocystojejunostomy. | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On August 12 2011 18:00 Gnomie wrote: Yay, am I the only one happy? FINALLY we'll see only foreigners in a tournament!! :DD The IPL only has foreigners. It's going on right now. I liked NASL having Koreans and foreigners. I was actually gonna go out to the Grand Finals if MKP and Optimus were coming. So sad ~  | ||
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vertical101
Hong Kong311 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:49 Govou wrote: I translated bits from korean's side on the other thread. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token= basically they do not find NASL to be trustworthy (none of koreans received any money including deposits) and on top of that, they do not like the playing condition which is affecting their regular practice and what not. their are really fking demanding its North AMERICA starcraft league.they should have know that they play at foreign time. they shouldnt have sign up if they cant play at american time. this koreans feels like their are a rockstar. | ||
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EventHorizoN
Germany101 Posts
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On August 12 2011 18:01 jmbthirteen wrote: And they are still making more money by getting one of the bottom 8 spots than they do in the TL Opens. Sure they are easier money, but they still play great top foreign players and some great Korean players. All for $100 grand prize. Seriously, waking up for a 4 am match once a week isn't that bad. bottom 8 spots? But anyway, waking up at 4am is pretty bad. It warps your whole sleep schedule and cut into time you can use to practice with your teammates (who don't have bizarre sleep schedules). It's just a pain in the ass for 3 months just for the opportunity to lose more money by going to the finals. | ||
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IceDice
Sweden10 Posts
No reason to give the korean players special treatment if you ask me. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 18:03 Honeybadger wrote: Okay, now this is getting too damned complicated. A subcommittee of a committee of -most- of the teams? What the hell does such a thing even need to exist for, lol. I'm going back to studying things that make sense to me. Mmmmmm, choledocystojejunostomy. Well sc2con is really meant to protect teams and sc2pa is meant to protect players. And when a player feels wronged (ie FD vs TSL) the players association will bring it to sc2con (who really don't have any power) for resolution. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On August 12 2011 18:00 Gnomie wrote: Poor IGN Pro League getting completely ignored.Yay, am I the only one happy? FINALLY we'll see only foreigners in a tournament!! :DD | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:59 Proko wrote: They refused to play nice when nasl offerred to guarantee everyone who had to travel 2500$. that's ridiculous and should be called as such. It's not $2500, they're offering $1000 travel stipend. On top of that, NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the Grand Finals and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that $1000 prize. It's asking players to take expenses out of their prize money. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 18:05 fraktoasters wrote: bottom 8 spots? But anyway, waking up at 4am is pretty bad. It warps your whole sleep schedule and cut into time you can use to practice with your teammates (who don't have bizarre sleep schedules). It's just a pain in the ass for 3 months just for the opportunity to lose more money by going to the finals. Bottom 8 in the grand finals. Waking up once a week at 4 am won't screw up your schedule. | ||
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Poffel
471 Posts
A: Double the participants' deposit. Hmm... even though it's hard to blame NASL for the existence of time zones, I find it not too hard to believe that some Koreans might be pissed of by that kind of solution for their complaints. | ||
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Kuhva
United Kingdom183 Posts
On August 12 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Lets see. NASL offered $1000 in travel money and boosted the last place price to $1000. Now lets see. Team has to deposit $500 for each player. Buy a ticket (according to some posts ~1200$ bothways. Pay for hotel ~400-700$ (depends on how long they will stay - need some time to get rid of jet lag). Its all comes to $2100+. Now the NASL pays the prices up to 60 days after the finals. Do you know any airlines or hotels that let you pay for the ticket after 60 days? Also another fact. Korean teams are different from western teams. How many western teams have teamhouses? If i remember ST coach said that they spend around $3-4k for food alone a month even if they are on tight budget. So if a team has like 2-3 people qualified for the NASL finals so thats extra $2-3k that they have to pay in a month (but they get it back after 2 months). It would be all al right if the esports players have in contract that they pay the team a % of the winnings (at least it should be that way) but since its all secret we wont know it ever. My credit Card has a 90 day (interest free) pay back period on it... just saying  (it is rare to able to get a card with such a delay on, but 56/60 days are easy enough to get if you just ask) They get the safety deposit back too, and you are neglecting the fact that 2k prize is the minimum they can get back in return. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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