EPTKorean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 106
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ragealot
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:59 youngminii wrote: Trust NASL to make a completely bias statement that creates 104 pages of speculation and premature judgement within 8 hours. When will you organisations learn to keep your fucking opinions to yourself and respect other people's decisions? In any case, pretty sad news. I never watched the NASL except the finals but it's still a pretty big blow. I guess this stuff just happens, you can't make SC2 truly global without the money to support it. Cause we as fans have a right to know, thats why organisations like NASL tell us these things. You think the shitstorm would be any better if they just came out and said "Hey guys, bad news, Koreans will not be participating in season 2, um thats all bye" and no reason given. Think about it | ||
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:58 whateverpeeps wrote: Interesting read about OGS's alleged $180,000 sponsor. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240686 Hm, well that covers Ensnare, MC, TOP and Zenio just fine. Thing is, how much of the budget do you want to allocate for NASL? I'm sure they have other sponsors as well, but not all of that money goes into funding tournaments. There's an apartment to pay rent for, equipment to maintain, food, other tournaments, and most importantly FANCY SHIRTS. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:02 kinray wrote: When the Korean teams say that they are not happy how the tournament is run and that they will not participate in S2 if <insert the demands if Korean teams here> is not exactly done everyone is jumping the gun and blame them for having demands. Can someone point me the difference between TL and Korean teams situation? And please not "they have a signed deal" because there is no information about something signed in OP. Sure. TL didn't join qualifiers, taking up spots, didn't promise to be in the league, didn't proceed as if they were participating in the league, didn't plan to not be in the league yet refuse to say anything when the schedule and player lists were released, didn't plan to not be in the league but decide to abruptly call a boycott after the season begins. And there is no information that they didn't sign a deal, but if the season had already started, don't you think there was some kind of agreement involved? At the very least, a verbal agreement, which can be a binding contract? Just saying, I don't think NASL is dense enough to start the season with 1/3 of the players not competing. | ||
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Hemula
Russian Federation1849 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
Sounds like NASL is completely in the right here, the demands are not justifiable and NASL tried their best to accomodate. Well, Season 2 seems completely fucked up now. No Koreans means leaving, what? 25 players in the pool? | ||
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Liudo
United Kingdom344 Posts
This is a huge disappointment and a let-down. What a mess. | ||
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:03 PHILtheTANK wrote: Ridiculous. Should novody ever sign a contract because somebody may break it? The only thing NASL is at fault for is not being billionaires so they could pay everybodys way. In preparation for Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. Can you please read NASL's own statement. There was no contract signed, and it's NASL that went ahead with season 2 without agreement reached. It's entirely their fault for the mess that has occured here. NASL had the choice of either meeting the demand or booting Korean players off of the qualifiers. They did neither. | ||
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edoZ
Canada14 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:00 cheesemaster wrote: Totally agree, clearly there is more to this issue if korean teams are still willing to (or have been) to pay for their players to go ot MLG wich only offers a 5k prize pool. Obviously im talking about the players that have attended outside of the GSL exchange program. I dont get it though if NASL is saying they were basically offering all the travel expenses anyways, then why didnt they just offer them exactly that? Instead of something similair that the koreans wouldnt accept, seems like they could have saved alot of headaches for the same amount of money pretty much. Honestly I always though NASL was a very sub par production anyways, so im actually glad the koreans withdrew now i dont have an excuse to watch it, and we shouldnt be supporting sub par production value's and countless mistakes that NASL has been plagued with anyways. Productions like Dreamhack MLG and GSL , SHOULD be supported (i guess its a matter of oppinion but i dont think many would disagree that they have excellent production qualities) but when an event cant keep their shit together, why should we support it? So other shitty leagues can pop up thinking they can pull the same shit. No thanks. And why should we not support smaller productions? Does it offend you that koreans are not going to be playing in North American Star League? Its not like NASL was to blame for the loss of extremely talented players, it was based on a rash decision that was out of their control, they tried to make a deal, but nothing worked. It seems like you are trying to make this sound bad, and try make it sound like it was NASLs problem. Everyone has the right to be supported no matter what they do. Don't go blaming someone for something they did not do. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:05 theBizness wrote: Thing is, how much of the budget do you want to allocate for NASL? I'm sure they have other sponsors as well, but not all of that money goes into funding tournaments. There's an apartment to pay rent for, equipment to maintain, food, other tournaments, and most importantly FANCY SHIRTS. Yes, but the responsibility of food/travel falls on players, not on tournaments. Tournaments worry about the venue/prize pool/staff, and get sponsors to cover it. Teams worry about getting sponsors to pay for player costs. If they can't afford to fly a player out with that kind of money, then maybe they should cut down a little on the fancy shirts. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:04 ragealot wrote: None of this would be a problem if people actually paid to support ESPORTs, 80k stream viewers is all well and good but if players can't even break even after qualifying for the final then we still have a long way to go. I paid for my MLG subscription (and sometimes GOMTV) because they respond to complaints with, "We're sorry and we're putting forth 110% effort to get the problem resolved by the next event." NASL responds to light criticism with, "You guys are just too demanding! When was the last time YOU hosted a $100,000 prize pool tournament?!" | ||
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Sobba
Sweden576 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:55 dabom88 wrote: The example stated Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals.. Observe the context of the statement before responding to posts. The point is that NASL can't afford to just pay for everyone's travel like Korean teams can't afford to pay their own travel. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:00 Azzur wrote: I posted this in the other thread, but will do so here as well: I bring you a statement by Mr Chae, head of GOM, who is also part of the SC2Con: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225324 The money that a player earns for even making to the ro32 of the ST is LESS than what the teams would get from qualifying for the NASL finals and Mr Chae "Can't understand foreigner's rejection". There are certainly valid reasons for non-NASL participation but to blame it on travel fees smacks of double standards. On the flip-side, I didn't appreciate NASL's hostile stance on the matter and their slow handling of money. Still, I believe NASL is going to struggle to survive without the koreans. They can do so, but I think that after the first 3 seasons, the prize money would need to be reduced. Sigh.......stuff like this shows that sc2 has a long rocky way to go still before it will become a stable,worldwide Esport.There are still so much issues plaguing the different leagues and everything seems so chaotic about tournament organizations still.Oh well,here's to hoping for a bright future. | ||
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:06 whateverpeeps wrote: Sure. TL didn't join qualifiers, taking up spots, didn't promise to be in the league, didn't proceed as if they were participating in the league, didn't plan to not be in the league yet refuse to say anything when the schedule and player lists were released, didn't plan to not be in the league but decide to abruptly call a boycott after the season begins. And there is no information that they didn't sign a deal, but if the season had already started, don't you think there was some kind of agreement involved? At the very least, a verbal agreement, which can be a binding contract? Just saying, I don't think NASL is dense enough to start the season with 1/3 of the players not competing. If you are to take a close reading of this paragraph.. (part of NASL's statement) "In preparation for Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. " It's fairly clear that the objection was brought up prior to the beginning of season 2. Koreans are not at fault here. NASL clearly ignored their demand and went ahead with season 2. | ||
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Enigmatarius
Australia15 Posts
On August 12 2011 16:57 aksfjh wrote: Don't count on it. I wouldn't be surprised if NASL just started inviting people back from season 1 to fill the spots instead of turning to qualifiers. I would joke about Artosis getting into season 2, but I don't think it's that farfetched of an idea. -_- Yeah, well it goes without saying that this'll probably make Season 2 a lot more dull and in need of some seat fillers, but I'm not gonna give up on NASL just yet. Especially if iNcontroL does more casting. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:05 Slider954 wrote: Cause we as fans have a right to know, thats why organisations like NASL tell us these things. You think the shitstorm would be any better if they just came out and said "Hey guys, bad news, Koreans will not be participating in season 2, um thats all bye" and no reason given. Think about it His point is the bias. It's one thing to update the community, but using words like "threaten", "demands", etc. and apply it to the other party is just completely unprofessional. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:07 LuciferSC wrote: In preparation for Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. Can you please read NASL's own statement. There was no contract signed, and it's NASL that went ahead with season 2 without agreement reached. It's entirely their fault for the mess that has occured here. NASL had the choice of either meeting the demand or booting Korean players off of the qualifiers. They did neither. or the Koreans could have said our players wont participate in the qualifiers until this is sorted out. To completely absolve them of any blame here is short sighted | ||
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danteafk
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:09 Enigmatarius wrote: Yeah, well it goes without saying that this'll probably make Season 2 a lot more dull and in need of some seat fillers, but I'm not gonna give up on NASL just yet. Especially if iNcontroL does more casting. There was an announcement a while back that InControl would be leaving NASL to focus more on his actual play. I think he's leaving SOTG as well. | ||
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