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Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 06:02:36
May 21 2011 17:14 GMT
#1
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Chae Jung Won, the head of GomTV manage team "Can't understand foreigner's rejection"

GSL Super Tournament begins in coming May 23rd with top 64 GSL point rankers.
Super tournament has made issues by making competition of both code A and code S players, but unfortunately many foreigners, except Chris 'Huk' Loranger and Jonathan 'Jinro' Walsh, has rejected invitations.

Lots of foreign fans complain and criticize about such news, and says 'this happens because it is so hard to beat Koreans.' Also the manager of team Fnatic complained that "the invitaion of Super Tournament from GomTV came out in rush."

PlayXP was able to hear opinion of Chae Jung Won, the head of Manage team in GomTV (also main caster of GSL), during presentation of new format change of GSL in May 19th. Mr. Chae said, "We gave the same amount of warning time as we did with World Championship. I do not understand the reason of rejection since they were able to participate in World Championship."

The prize of participating World Championship was about 3,000,000 Won. (about 2700 USD) But in Super Tournament, if you qualify RO32 you will be guaranteed to have 1,000,000 Won. (about 900 USD) Of course you can't be sure until you hear from players, the prize pool , the chance of winning the tournament, and the travel cost are the most probable reason to reject invitation.

In fact, Dmytro 'Dimaga' Filipchuk spoke during the interview after World Championship that "It is very difficult to stay in Korea for long term since I have a girl friend and family. There are many online tournaments in Europe. That is why playing in Europe is much better choice for me."

Mr. Chae also spoke about his opinion on providing code S spot for foreign players. "I don't think GSL is same level as MLG. I believe foreign fans also think same as me. There is notable difference between the seed for Koreans to MLG Championship and the seed for foreigners to GSL code S."

About question of making barrier for players in code A to promote in code S through Up and Down match, he said "The ability of player is what they can make win in Up and Down match. If you lose your Up and Down match, then you can't advance to code S. But we made change so winner of code A can advance without Up and Down match."

Written by: Lee Si Woo (siwoo@playxp.com)

(C) PlayXP

This is personal statement of Caster Chae Jung Won, not the official statement of GomTV, of answering suggestion of giving code S seed directly to foriegners from foriegn community.
(I think it was refering to
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=224111)

Link
http://www.playxp.com/news/read.php?news_id=2837932


Response on the playxp thread by TT1 himself:
"hello mr. chae and to all the korean community at playxp ^_^, i hope someone can translate this message in korean

hi my name is Payam Toghyan and i go by the aka of TT1 in starcraft 2, the main purpose of this message is to talk about why the foreigners rejected the gsl super tournament invitation, first and foremost i want to apologize to anyone who felt offended by our decision, as mr. chae pointed out the main reason the foreigners refused to attend the tournament was because of the decreased prizepool(in the earlier rounds). higher competition level and the travel costs not being covered by gsl this time around(they were covered during the world championship tournament), i am currently on team fnatic and xeris(our team manager) is a good friend of mine but i must agree that the short period of notice that gsl sent out before their invite was not the main issue, i wont say it isnt a problem organization-wise, because it is, however its not something that creates a huge barrier for us, the korean players are obviously alot better than the foreigner players at the moment so our teams and the sponsors most likely felt that it wouldnt have been in their best interest to invest so much money(because travelling to korea is extremely expensive and all the teams have a set budget that they can use annulay), with the risk of getting so little in return, i can only speculate but i know enought about the foreign proscene to say that the risk/reward was most likely not favorable enought for them to make that type of commitment in order to send us to korea, unfortunatly esports is a business and teams have to look at every situation from a economic perspective aswell

another problem was that the GSL Super Tournament would have conflicted with MLG and Dreamhack, a huge chunk of our sponsors market is located in north america and europe so having GSL conflict with other tournaments causes a huge problem because we need to make appearances in those markets aswell, i personally loved my time in korea and i hope i can come back sometime in the future, its very frustrating because as a player i look at every situation from a players perspective, my wish is to compete on the biggest stage with the best players in world however there are many factors beyond my power which block me from achieving that goal, hopefully everything can be resolved in the future so koreans and foreigners would be able to compete(and maybe even practice?) on the same stage more frequently, my personal dream would be to have a foreigner team compete in the gstl alongside all the top korean teams(aswell as have foreigner and koreans compete in individual tournaments more frequently), until that day i will practice even harder in order to reach the same level as the top korean players because as it is the top koreans players are much much better than the top foreign players,

also i never had the opportunity to thank mr park for his hospitality in korea, so thank you very much<3, i especially want to thank gisado(hihi gisado ^_^) for the kindness that he showed us in korea, he made us feel as if we were at home, when i was sick gisado even took time out of his day to take me to the hospital in order to translate everything for me, he even payed for my medication which i felt extremely shy about-_-, the next time we meet i must pay you back by buying you dinner ^_^, also i want to say hi to SIN who i got to know very well aswell in korea, i hope your doing well and thank you for everything, listening to qoo)max and sin cast together is one of the memorys that ill always remember from my time in korea because they were so good : D, how does max have so much energy O_O? you know someones doing a good job when you have no idea what their saying but your still entertained nonetheless, i hope to see you guys cast the gsl together someday

i also want to congratulate nestea on his win in the code s finals and nada on another strong performance(wow nada will remain a gosu for life, what a strong/consistent player, he just keeps getting better and better) and i hope the korean community isnt being too harsh on inca because all the foreign progamers could tell that he wasnt on his A-game and that he has alot more potential than what we saw in the finals, also congratulations to bomber and mvp for their performances in code a, bomber thank you for taking time and helping me practice for my match vs marineking in the world championship, my only regret was that i felt i wasted your time because of my weak performance vs marineking and im sorry for that

last but not least thank you to slayers and mvp for that insane team match in the gstl finals... wow! that was one of the best team matchs that ive ever seen, congratulation to my good friend cella for coaching his team to another championship and congratulations to team mvp for showing all the doubters what they were made off, i love team MVP because of their hilarious introduction video(zzzzzz dongraegu and genius had the best intros ever) and you can tell that their team atmosphere is extremely good because they all have a good time when they're playing, im sure thats one of the reasons why they performed so well(aswell as being extremely talented players), it looked like they pushed each other and didnt want to dissapoint one another, it saddens me to not see DRG in code s because hes one of the top korean zergs in the world, but im sure hell be up there soon enough ^^ the foreign community came up with several nicknames for drg, one of the first ones was "the dong" but alot of fans got angry because thats jaedong's nickname so they then came up with " Don Raegu" which is a playoff on his name which basically means something like the mafia boss of spaghetti LOL

hope to see you guys soon ^_^~~, and i hope someone traslates this message : D "
Lms0
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway12 Posts
May 21 2011 17:18 GMT
#2
Well, I think it's mainly the fact that you have to stay there for 1 month that is the problem for foreigner's
:orly?
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
May 21 2011 17:18 GMT
#3
well i still think that the biggest problem is that gom always anounce things to shortly
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 17:21:31
May 21 2011 17:20 GMT
#4
On May 22 2011 02:18 Lms0 wrote:
Well, I think it's mainly the fact that you have to stay there for 1 month that is the problem for foreigner's


Yup and the time difference + lag stops them playing in other tourneys that they might already have agreed to, such as clan wars or ESL Pro series etc. If the lag issues could be solved, it might lead to more foreigners deciding they can be in korea and still earn money outside of the GSL

Could you imagine if Jinro and HuK could play in online tourneys from korea without lag.... that would encourage others to try it out
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
DirtYLOu
Profile Joined May 2010
575 Posts
May 21 2011 17:21 GMT
#5
On May 22 2011 02:18 CoR wrote:
well i still think that the biggest problem is that gom always anounce things to shortly


You read just one guy say things and u all swallowed it.

KOREA FTW.
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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
May 21 2011 17:21 GMT
#6
There is a notable difference between seeds for MLG and a seed for GSL?

Explain, please.
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Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
May 21 2011 17:22 GMT
#7
On May 22 2011 02:18 Lms0 wrote:
Well, I think it's mainly the fact that you have to stay there for 1 month that is the problem for foreigner's


Actually with new change of format, a single season lasts for 6 weeks now.
Denizen[9]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States649 Posts
May 21 2011 17:22 GMT
#8
On May 22 2011 02:18 CoR wrote:
well i still think that the biggest problem is that gom always anounce things to shortly


You obviously didnt read the OP, considering they sent out invitations during world championship.
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Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
May 21 2011 17:22 GMT
#9
On May 22 2011 02:21 DivinO wrote:
There is a notable difference between seeds for MLG and a seed for GSL?

Explain, please.


I think he's saying that code S players are superior?
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
May 21 2011 17:23 GMT
#10
It's really quite simple, why would anyone want to give up their current life for a few months just so they can play in a month long qualifier, that they might not even end up doing well in, when there's plenty of tournaments for them to compete in in NA/EU
Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
May 21 2011 17:24 GMT
#11
On May 22 2011 02:21 DivinO wrote:
There is a notable difference between seeds for MLG and a seed for GSL?

Explain, please.


Well, that was direct translation so you have to hear my opinion on that quote.

"GSL > MLG so seed to GSL code S should have higher value and seed to MLG"
Hirnfrost
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany938 Posts
May 21 2011 17:25 GMT
#12
On May 22 2011 02:18 Lms0 wrote:
Well, I think it's mainly the fact that you have to stay there for 1 month that is the problem for foreigner's

yeah I´m a bit confused why this isn´t even mentioned. it´s the main reason why foreigners won´t go to korea I think. (plus code A not being worth it)
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Tanatos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States381 Posts
May 21 2011 17:26 GMT
#13
On May 22 2011 02:22 Denizen[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 02:18 CoR wrote:
well i still think that the biggest problem is that gom always anounce things to shortly


You obviously didnt read the OP, considering they sent out invitations during world championship.



No, it means GomTV give same time period to foreign players.

For example, if WC invi was sent 1 month before tourney, than ST invi was sent 1 month before tourney.
fer
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada375 Posts
May 21 2011 17:27 GMT
#14
It won't be a problem for those foreigners that will almost certainly be able to reach Code S. Korea is just hard, it's not worth it if you're not absolutely awesome like the top Koreans. Players like MVP, MC or NesTea, or even MKP, which are just noticeably better than most and thus are able to stay in Code S. I would certainly advice against anyone who's not as good as them to travel to Korea as it would be indeed a very risky move.
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Heathen
Profile Joined January 2011
Philippines351 Posts
May 21 2011 17:27 GMT
#15
We all know that this guy is saying the truth. Its really true that the korean guys are pulling ahead in terms of skill. Soon enough foreigners might not be able to take games from koreans.

There is some degree of discrepancy from CODE S and gosu foreigners in term of skill, not that much though.
Jombozeus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
China1014 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-21 17:30:48
May 21 2011 17:29 GMT
#16
Mr. Chae also spoke about his opinion on providing code S spot for foreign players. "I don't think GSL is same level as MLG. I believe foreign fans also think same as me. There is notable difference between the seed for Koreans to MLG Championship and the seed for foreigners to GSL code S


Are we really saying that Inca is more skillful than say naniwa?

Code S is being VERY disappointing for Mr. GOMTV to make such a statement.

Also considering that koreans dropped like flies in the Chinese Gigabyte tournament, their bragging rights is down the drain.
bobq
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States136 Posts
May 21 2011 17:31 GMT
#17
On May 22 2011 02:22 Denizen[9] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 02:18 CoR wrote:
well i still think that the biggest problem is that gom always anounce things to shortly


You obviously didnt read the OP, considering they sent out invitations during world championship.


I'm not sure due to the translation, but I think what he meant was not that they sent out invitations during the World Championship, but instead that they sent out invitations equally far in advance (eg, players heard about World Championship two weeks in advance, and then they heard about this two weeks in advance). I could see where getting to/staying in Korea for something as relatively short as the World Championship could be easier to arrange on short notice than something as long as the Super Tournament.
Timerly
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany511 Posts
May 21 2011 17:31 GMT
#18
I don't know why the guy is all like "KR > world" after the KR vs world match, TSL and NASL results etc. when it comes to the S seeds vs MLG CB seeds.

Then about the declined invites, the tournament takes 3 weeks and clashes with MLG, something like that should be announced about 2-3 months in advance to be considered by the teams.
MLG plays through a MUCH larger grid in a couple of days. Guess what, you can't televise every match there but maybe that's a good thing? Just an idea...snarf.
Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
May 21 2011 17:33 GMT
#19
On May 22 2011 02:29 Jombozeus wrote:
Show nested quote +
Mr. Chae also spoke about his opinion on providing code S spot for foreign players. "I don't think GSL is same level as MLG. I believe foreign fans also think same as me. There is notable difference between the seed for Koreans to MLG Championship and the seed for foreigners to GSL code S


Are we really saying that Inca is more skillful than say naniwa?

Code S is being VERY disappointing for Mr. GOMTV to make such a statement.

Also considering that koreans dropped like flies in the Chinese Gigabyte tournament, their bragging rights is down the drain.


Obviously there may be a certain few players that don't fit stereotype, but i think we can all agree that Code S is the highest level of SC2 that a viewer can watch right now.
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
May 21 2011 17:34 GMT
#20
Let's extend Mr. Chae an invitation to cast the NASL for a month. See if he can accept going to the US for a month. Maybe he'll understand a bit better after that.
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