EPTGSL players may or may not be better than foreigners in terms of skill, we haven't really seen enough games to say for sure, but the financial and publicity benefits of going over to GSL are CERTAINLY not as good as the benefits of staying here.
GomTV caster's answer to foreigners' rejection - Page 2
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
GSL players may or may not be better than foreigners in terms of skill, we haven't really seen enough games to say for sure, but the financial and publicity benefits of going over to GSL are CERTAINLY not as good as the benefits of staying here. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:31 Timerly wrote: I don't know why the guy is all like "KR > world" after the KR vs world match, TSL and NASL results etc. when it comes to the S seeds vs MLG CB seeds. Then about the declined invites, the tournament takes 3 weeks and clashes with MLG, something like that should be announced about 2-3 months in advance to be considered by the teams. MLG plays through a MUCH larger grid in a couple of days. Guess what, you can't televise every match there but maybe that's a good thing? Just an idea...snarf. Errr, it doesn't clash with MLG. They even made space for players to attend MLG. I'm pretty disappointed in that Foreign players didn't accept the invites, especially since if they do well in this they can become super popular which means more $$$$ for them. If our guys don't move the Koreans will overtake us and it will be BW again | ||
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anatem
Romania1369 Posts
time invested per potential earnings in korea doesn't cut it, since in the west you're guaranteed to make at least some sort of living off gaming even as a second tier pro even without sponsorship, and you got backup plans of alternate jobs in your home area readily available. none but the most dedicated and most endorsed will go to korea and try out until there's (a lot) more stuff you can participate in outside the GSL (possibly years), or the ms between regions magically gets better (years), or they increase the prize pool for every stage of the competition significantly (doesn't make sense). because let's be serious here, other considerations are secondary, you can afford to spend 2 months away from mommy and friends trying to prove yourself in the most competitive environment for your chosen profession. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:31 Timerly wrote: I don't know why the guy is all like "KR > world" after the KR vs world match, TSL and NASL results etc. when it comes to the S seeds vs MLG CB seeds. Then about the declined invites, the tournament takes 3 weeks and clashes with MLG, something like that should be announced about 2-3 months in advance to be considered by the teams. MLG plays through a MUCH larger grid in a couple of days. Guess what, you can't televise every match there but maybe that's a good thing? Just an idea...snarf. I think also with the addition of the NASL, IPL and MLG prize pools there isn't much reason for them to travel to korea. In BW, if you wanted to make money you kinda had to go to korea, thats not the case now, Koreans are playing in foreigner tourneys more and more because there is alot of money to be won........ why go to korea to play for a month and make $1500 when you could stay at home, play from your room and win big money in NASL et al. Korea isn't the mecca of SC2, its just not, and if the foreigner scene keeps growing like it as atm, it won't ever be. Even if the Koreans eventually become unbeatable, the rest of the world has a large enough scene with enough money behind it that there won't be the motivation to move to korea. | ||
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ket-
97 Posts
There are a few foreign players who definitely COULD be GSL champions if they had the opportunity and will to get into it full time but it's just not the case at the moment. It's normal that people would reject that opportunity, because going to Korea to play sc2 really isnt worth it unless you know for sure you have a shot at the top. Which no one can be sure of yet I'd say, the game is still quite young and changing a lot. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:31 Timerly wrote: I don't know why the guy is all like "KR > world" after the KR vs world match, TSL and NASL results etc. when it comes to the S seeds vs MLG CB seeds. Well, to be honest, koreans have dominated all of the recent offline tournaments (IEM, GSL WC, dreamhack, Copenhagen...), and only time they have not dominated is in the online cross server competitions (NASL, TSL, Starswar...), so the guy is not completely without merit. But the gap is not as big as he suggests. | ||
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Dawski
Canada435 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:35 windsupernova wrote: Errr, it doesn't clash with MLG. They even made space for players to attend MLG. I'm pretty disappointed in that Foreign players didn't accept the invites, especially since if they do well in this they can become super popular which means more $$$$ for them. If our guys don't move the Koreans will overtake us and it will be BW again and have major jetlag and then do less than expecting in both tournaments? there is more money/chance of success to just stay where they are and play in NA/EU lans and online tourneys So besides the fact that many players who have never been to korea and grew up in the NA/EU scenes went there and did remarkably well in the world championships? Foreigners can have their own sc2 scene | ||
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AndreiDaGiant
United States394 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:35 Shifft wrote: If he seriously can't fathom why people wouldn't want to book plane tickets and a stay in Korea for a month on a few weeks' notice, giving up their chances to participate in the multitude of EU/NA events....I don't know just seems pretty dense. GSL players may or may not be better than foreigners in terms of skill, we haven't really seen enough games to say for sure, but the financial and publicity benefits of going over to GSL are CERTAINLY not as good as the benefits of staying here. i agree this response seems really defensive and makes them look bad IMO... no reason to put down mlg and all other foreigners because they dont want to play in their tournament | ||
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ktgster
Canada70 Posts
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spacemunkee
United States51 Posts
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Daray
6006 Posts
Language barrier and no other foreigners in korea to practice with (well HuK and Jinro if they're willing). Grinding the ladder 12 a day won't win you the tournament i think  | ||
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Sakarabu
United Kingdom132 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:40 ktgster wrote: I don't think people understand the korean scene...Almost Every meta-game shift is started by some new strategy/idea on the KR server or from a GSL match. They are the ones who experiment and they are the ones that everyone copies. They are so refined due to their massive amounts of practice. Code S is just on a higher level, but I believe that very skilled foreigners can still compete against them (Sen, naniwa, idra, etc) Sorry but that is just complete bullshit. It was definitely true in BW, but in SC2 ALOT of Koreans have actually been quoted as saying they look to foreigners for inspiration for strategies. The most recent one was probably Nada talking about Thorzain (I think?). Traditionally Foreigners have been more creative and Koreans better at mechanics once the builds are there to practice for hours. | ||
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Samhax
1054 Posts
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:40 ktgster wrote: I don't think people understand the korean scene...Almost Every meta-game shift is started by some new strategy/idea on the KR server or from a GSL match. They are the ones who experiment and they are the ones that everyone copies. They are so refined due to their massive amounts of practice. Code S is just on a higher level, but I believe that very skilled foreigners can still compete against them (Sen, naniwa, idra, etc) I don't agree that Korea controls the meta game. And I also don't agree that only a few foreigners can compete in Code S. There's probably at least 10 or 15 foreigners that would easily belong, which is almost half of code S. | ||
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Philo
United States337 Posts
If GOM wants to have hugely successful global events forever, they need to cater to foreign players like we do for Koreans regardless of where they see themselves compared to foreign tournaments. Dreamhack Summer looks alot more "global" then GSL right now and MLG too and they'll stay that way until a KeSPA-like organization steps in and says they can't or GOM starts making huge concessions for foreigners. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:38 godemperor wrote: Well, to be honest, koreans have dominated all of the recent offline tournaments (IEM, GSL WC, dreamhack, Copenhagen...), and only time they have not dominated is in the online cross server competitions (NASL, TSL, Starswar...), so the guy is not completely without merit. But the gap is not as big as he suggests. He never says how big the gap is. He simply states that he doesn't think giving a Code S spot for the best foreigner in MLG, instead of the best player, would be unfair, because a Code S spot is worth a lot more than a MLG seed, and yes, that's true. I find it very hard to believe someone that would say that a seed in MLG is better than getting straight in Code S, both because of the dificulty in it, and the fact that unlike GSL, you can participate in the main tournament even if you have no seed. And it's also hard to say the overall level of the GSL is not better than of MLG. Also, people are jumping to a lot of conclusions based on an unoficial statement that has been translated, which not uncommonly makes some things sounds diferent than what was intended. | ||
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ChefTony
United States68 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:33 Karthane wrote: Obviously there may be a certain few players that don't fit stereotype, but i think we can all agree that Code S is the highest level of SC2 that a viewer can watch right now. No we cannot all agree. I prefer the GSTL and some of the best players havent made it into code A. This isnt to say code A is better than those code B players but that the system is ridiculous and many players dont get to play and instead we are stuck with worse players coasting by on the relative difficulty in dropping out of GSL when compared to the difficulty of getting into the GSL, To drop out you basically need to be picked in the up and downs by a team mates (re: what happened to LeenockfOu) and then get cheesed in the early rounds or face someone like MVP in code A. This being said I know that GSL offered invites but to enter into the tournament people need to live for a month in Korea. Its not the fact koreans are better its the time invested and costs which short of winning the whole tournament cannot be recovered. With MLG one weekend costs a plane ticket and 2 nights stay at a hotel (at minimum) but that can be paid for much more easily than can one months rent and food and ticket alongside the lost opportunity cost of foreign tournaments is problematic. | ||
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smallerk
897 Posts
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:29 Jombozeus wrote: Are we really saying that Inca is more skillful than say naniwa? Code S is being VERY disappointing for Mr. GOMTV to make such a statement. Also considering that koreans dropped like flies in the Chinese Gigabyte tournament, their bragging rights is down the drain. inca have horrible pvz and it was against nestea i dont think naniwa can beat inca in pvp and they have similar level of pvt and mostly inca got lucky in the bracket comparing the best foreign protoss to a mediocre protoss in korea is really not fair comparison is it? | ||
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