EPTGomTV caster's answer to foreigners' rejection - Page 3
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:40 ktgster wrote: I don't think people understand the korean scene...Almost Every meta-game shift is started by some new strategy/idea on the KR server or from a GSL match. They are the ones who experiment and they are the ones that everyone copies. They are so refined due to their massive amounts of practice. Code S is just on a higher level, but I believe that very skilled foreigners can still compete against them (Sen, naniwa, idra, etc) Yeah, Koreans like spanishiwa are just so far ahead of the metagame when it comes to innovating new styles and builds. | ||
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:27 fer wrote: It won't be a problem for those foreigners that will almost certainly be able to reach Code S. Korea is just hard, it's not worth it if you're not absolutely awesome like the top Koreans. Players like MVP, MC or NesTea, or even MKP, which are just noticeably better than most and thus are able to stay in Code S. I would certainly advice against anyone who's not as good as them to travel to Korea as it would be indeed a very risky move. You do realize all 4 of them fell to Up/Down matches as some point (some more than once) and MVP fell to code A right? Just wondering how much you thought about what you said. On May 22 2011 02:38 godemperor wrote: Well, to be honest, koreans have dominated all of the recent offline tournaments (IEM, GSL WC, dreamhack, Copenhagen...), and only time they have not dominated is in the online cross server competitions (NASL, TSL, Starswar...), so the guy is not completely without merit. But the gap is not as big as he suggests. Thorzain vs MC were played in Europe so don't discount that game to lag. On May 22 2011 02:40 ktgster wrote: I don't think people understand the korean scene...Almost Every meta-game shift is started by some new strategy/idea on the KR server or from a GSL match. They are the ones who experiment and they are the ones that everyone copies. They are so refined due to their massive amounts of practice. Code S is just on a higher level, but I believe that very skilled foreigners can still compete against them (Sen, naniwa, idra, etc) Except when they steal builds from NA, like Nada using Strelok's build in Nasl, the zerg no gas builds that are being popular now in GSL, the TvT build with blue flames and banshees. Cmon... | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:14 Tanatos wrote: Lots of foreign fans complain and criticize about such news, and says 'this happens because it is so hard to beat Koreans.' Also the manager of team Fnatic complained that "the invitaion of Super Tournament from GomTV came out in rush." PlayXP was able to hear opinion of Chae Jung Won, the head of Manage team in GomTV (also main caster of GSL), during presentation of new format change of GSL in May 19th. Mr. Chae said, "the invitation was sent out as same time period as World Championship. I do not understand the reason of rejection since they were able to participate in World Championship." What a load of bullshit. Dreamhack will comming up soon and im sure you will see the best foreign willl be able to beat the best of korean. The problem with GSL its to long. Like Dimaga wrote he got famelie and girlfirend. A life he cant just tell his love ones that he had to go to Korea again for another month todo his job when he can do it in Europe also and still provide a good living for himself. Same with White-ra he got a job and wife beside being a pro sc2 player. There is to much commitment and I cant toally understand why it isnt fair for there loveones to be gone for several months a year. GSL need to realise that the format simply dont suit the foreign scene. Lets reverse the situation if GSL was in europe im sure it would be as hard at it is now to get Korean players to stay for months in a foreign country. | ||
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Dawski
Canada435 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:49 yarkO wrote: Someone should link/translate him the article that Xeris recently wrote. hes seen it...he brought it up in this message about how Fnatic responded with how there wasnt enough time to prepare and costs. (Xeris is a manager of FnaticMSI right?) | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:50 w_Ender_w wrote: Yeah, Koreans like spanishiwa are just so far ahead of the metagame when it comes to innovating new styles and builds. They got to be careful though. The metagame is fast and it might over take them. | ||
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
foreigners dont think they can win GSL ever if they thought they could win it i dont see why they arent coming to korea GSL has the highest prizepool | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:44 Samhax wrote: Props to Huk and Jinro who are staying in Korea just to compete with the best in the world even if the competition is stack as hell.I think they are huge ballers for doing that but i don't think there are many players who are going to make the move. You have to do it just for the prestige and not for the money, if you want to compete with the best you know where they are, but if you follow just the money then stay at home... Simple fact is as a professional at anything, you have to make a financial decision most of the time. Look at Football in the UK, there are many players who have moved from a team like Barca to a mid range English team just because they get offered a better salary and better bonus packages. They might not stay with that team for 5-6 years but instead use it as a stepping stone in to one of the bigger clubs and even more money. I am a musician, if i get offered £250 to play a gig at a pub in my home town and get offered a gig in Scotland for £300 on the same date, which do i take? The one at home, because once I spend money getting to Scotland and finding a hotel i'm actually making less money. I do have to make those choices at times and I will nearly always go for the one that makes more financial sense, if the gig in Scotland paid my travel and board, then I'd do that one. If you can make £2000 playing in EU tourneys per month, or go to Korea, all expenses paid and have a chance at £1000 then the choice isn't very simple because you can argue the potential earning in korea in the long term is better, but garanteed income is a far better financial decision. Its like a sales executive being offered £60,000 a year working for one company or being offered the chance to earn £100,000 in commision but no salary at another company, most would take the garanteed income every time. | ||
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:39 AndreiDaGiant wrote: i agree this response seems really defensive and makes them look bad IMO... no reason to put down mlg and all other foreigners because they dont want to play in their tournament Yeah, and it seems like they are saying GSL is so far above MLG skill-wise that seeding foreigners in Code S is very different from seeding Koreans in MLG. Well, if that is the case, why didn't the Koreans win MLG? | ||
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Dawski
Canada435 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:53 TicketoHELL wrote: lets just face it foreigners dont think they can win GSL ever if they thought they could win it i dont see why they arent coming to korea GSL has the highest prizepool ....NASL has the highest prizepool and its online and you play like 1 BO3 every week so you can fit as many LANs as you want while doing it...think bro | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:53 TicketoHELL wrote: lets just face it foreigners dont think they can win GSL ever if they thought they could win it i dont see why they arent coming to korea GSL has the highest prizepool Wow, you dumb do you even read what the foreign players are saying?? Its not about the money its about the time. I know its hard to realise but people actually got a life outside sc2. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:53 PraetorianX wrote: Yeah, and it seems like they are saying GSL is so far above MLG skill-wise that seeding foreigners in Code S is very different from seeding Koreans in MLG. Well, if that is the case, why didn't the Koreans win MLG? Eh... which Koreans were at any of the previous MLG's? | ||
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:54 Dawski wrote: ....NASL has the highest prizepool and its online and you play like 1 BO3 every week so you can fit as many LANs as you want while doing it...think bro nasl is like 3 months long its way longer than GSL and still GSL has higher prizepool | ||
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
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RndmGdNck
United States60 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:50 w_Ender_w wrote: Yeah, Koreans like spanishiwa are just so far ahead of the metagame when it comes to innovating new styles and builds. When did spanishiwa become Korean? Koreans culture versus western culture won't end well but hopefully this will lead to understanding each other better | ||
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Tanatos
United States381 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:53 PraetorianX wrote: Yeah, and it seems like they are saying GSL is so far above MLG skill-wise that seeding foreigners in Code S is very different from seeding Koreans in MLG. Well, if that is the case, why didn't the Koreans win MLG? I think this is the first time that Koreans are attending MLG. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:49 yarkO wrote: Someone should link/translate him the article that Xeris recently wrote. I believe he's seen it already, and that article proposed a few major changes, a couple of which were already made by GOMtv before Xeris wrote that article. | ||
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Dawski
Canada435 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:56 TicketoHELL wrote: nasl is like 3 months long its way longer than GSL and still GSL has higher prizepool ...."and you can fit almost any other LAN/other tourneys while you do it" and the costs of flights and staying in a hotel for a couple seasons if you want to have a go at code S championship | ||
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:55 Nerdslayer wrote: Wow, you dumb do you even read what the foreign players are saying?? Its not about the money its about the time. I know its hard to realise but people actually got a life outside sc2. yeah it is about the time too but in many interviews of foreigner player say they make more money off online tournaments. Its true they value their life outside sc2 but it is about money as well | ||
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holynorth
United States590 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:56 RndmGdNck wrote: When did spanishiwa become Korean? Koreans culture versus western culture won't end well but hopefully this will lead to understanding each other better It was sarcasm. This entire thread has turned into a korean vs foreigner battle. Just because a korean uses a build that someone uses here, doesn't mean they got it from them. People can and will come up with the same ideas. That is just a possibility, so don't jump to discredit the koreans. | ||
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