EPTHuK: currently residing in code S
IdrA: GSL Open and code S participant until he left Korea
Jinro: two-time GSL semifinalist
Naniwa: ???
GomTV caster's answer to foreigners' rejection - Page 4
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
HuK: currently residing in code S IdrA: GSL Open and code S participant until he left Korea Jinro: two-time GSL semifinalist Naniwa: ??? | ||
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Haydin
United States1481 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:50 w_Ender_w wrote: Yeah, Koreans like spanishiwa are just so far ahead of the metagame when it comes to innovating new styles and builds. There was also that comment from MC where he said that on average, he found European terrans to be tougher opponents than koreans. Compare, for example, the few thor rush builds seen in the GSL to what Thorzain did in the TSL. It's pretty clear that the koreans weren't the ones leading the way with that one. I also think it's fair to say that the zvp style that people attribute to losira wasn't so much invented by him, but a major televised result of a metagame shift that was happening simultaneously around the world. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1114 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:22 Tanatos wrote: Actually with new change of format, a single season lasts for 6 weeks now. But thats still over a month where you're basically limited to only playing in the hardest tournament in the world... ...I think the only way for this to be actually properly addressed is if/when Blizzard sort out the lagg issues so that players who do jump over to Korea for the GSL can also participate in other tournaments without having the lagg problems. | ||
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:58 Dawski wrote: ...."and you can fit almost any other LAN/other tourneys while you do it" and the costs of flights and staying in a hotel for a couple seasons if you want to have a go at code S championship gom have their foreign house so the cost of hotel is irrelevant and the cost of flight can be covered by their teams | ||
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AndreiDaGiant
United States394 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:00 Bear4188 wrote: I find it amusing that he says MLG champion doesn't deserve code S and then you look at the past MLG champions. HuK: currently residing in code S IdrA: GSL Open and code S participant until he left Korea Jinro: two-time GSL semifinalist Naniwa: ??? That is a really good point... | ||
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:35 windsupernova wrote: Errr, it doesn't clash with MLG. They even made space for players to attend MLG. I'm pretty disappointed in that Foreign players didn't accept the invites, especially since if they do well in this they can become super popular which means more $$$$ for them. If our guys don't move the Koreans will overtake us and it will be BW again They don't have games scheduled at the MLG dates, that's about it, it's between two rounds of WC, you can't expect people to fly 12 hours, get 8-12 hour time difference and then play a tournament just to do the same thing again 3 days later. WC is really only one thing, a chance to earn fame. Too bad they would only invite players who are already well known anyways, in terms of money per time and effort the KR scence just doesn't cut it outside of Code S. Considering that half of Code S fights for survival after the first round it's understandable nobody wants to go there. Code A is crap, no other tourney in sight. gg. Well, to be honest, koreans have dominated all of the recent offline tournaments (IEM, GSL WC, dreamhack, Copenhagen...), and only time they have not dominated is in the online cross server competitions (NASL, TSL, Starswar...), so the guy is not completely without merit. But the gap is not as big as he suggests. Considering that MC lost his TSL match on even grounds and all EU vs KR matches were played on nearly neutral grounds (yes, US is a BIT laggier for KR, doesn't matter much with the way SC2 netcode works) it's just not defendable to say KR > world. IEM was a bunch of matchup-wins (lol, remember the tie braker marathon?) on one side of the bracket, there's just no hard evidence for what he says. Then again, I doubt he follows the western scene and has any idea how good some of those guys are, that's just the korean way to look at Starcraft. A bit more diplomatical of an answer wouldn't have hurt the guy. I would even say he's right when he gives Code S a slight edge over MLG but it's just not what he does. I don't think people understand the korean scene...Almost Every meta-game shift is started by some new strategy/idea on the KR server or from a GSL match. They are the ones who experiment and they are the ones that everyone copies. They are so refined due to their massive amounts of practice. Code S is just on a higher level, but I believe that very skilled foreigners can still compete against them (Sen, naniwa, idra, etc) Because they're televised and everybody watches, that's the main reason for meta-shifts...you can't shift the metagame with the magnitude of tournaments in the western scene because there's never an event everybody watches and never the possibility to prepare for a week for just one televised match. Look at Thorzain to see what happens when some of the westerners get to do this. Thor built anyone? Too bad it got nerfed instantly... My main point however is still: wtf were they thinking having an age long tournament like this without announcing it early enough? And then talking trash about the western scene? Gosh, the guy goes on my nerves. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Agreed. The views of Koreans in SC2 are definitely not the same as how highly-regarded the Koreans are in SCBW | ||
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:00 Bear4188 wrote: I find it amusing that he says MLG champion doesn't deserve code S and then you look at the past MLG champions. HuK: currently residing in code S IdrA: GSL Open and code S participant until he left Korea Jinro: two-time GSL semifinalist Naniwa: ??? compared with the koreans who has to go through hellish code a qualifier and beat your way up in code a to get code s its way more rewarding | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
and says 'this happens because it is so hard to beat Koreans. Did this piss anyone else off? Nobody said this at all, did they? How arrogant is that? What the fuck. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
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Dawski
Canada435 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:01 TicketoHELL wrote: gom have their foreign house so the cost of hotel is irrelevant and the cost of flight can be covered by their teams i dunno how many more "..." i can do to show you how at awe i am with your lack of money knowledge. you have to be smart with your sponsors money because its not unlimited, you have to treat it like its your own. | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:00 Bear4188 wrote: I find it amusing that he says MLG champion doesn't deserve code S and then you look at the past MLG champions. HuK: currently residing in code S IdrA: GSL Open and code S participant until he left Korea Jinro: two-time GSL semifinalist Naniwa: ??? Where does he says that? Aren't they giving code S status to the winner of MLG after Columbus? | ||
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:02 Timerly wrote: They don't have games scheduled at the MLG dates, that's about it, it's between two rounds of WC, you can't expect people to fly 12 hours, get 8-12 hour time difference and then play a tournament just to do the same thing again 3 days later. WC is really only one thing, a chance to earn fame. Too bad they would only invite players who are already well known anyways, in terms of money per time and effort the KR scence just doesn't cut it outside of Code S. Considering that half of Code S fights for survival after the first round it's understandable nobody wants to go there. Code A is crap, no other tourney in sight. gg. Considering that MC lost his TSL match on even grounds and all EU vs KR matches were played on nearly neutral grounds (yes, US is a BIT laggier for KR, doesn't matter much with the way SC2 netcode works) it's just not defendable to say KR > world. IEM was a bunch of matchup-wins (lol, remember the tie braker marathon?) on one side of the bracket, there's just no hard evidence for what he says. Then again, I doubt he follows the western scene and has any idea how good some of those guys are, that's just the korean way to look at Starcraft. A bit more diplomatical of an answer wouldn't have hurt the guy. I would even say he's right when he gives Code S a slight edge over MLG but it's just not what he does. Because they're televised and everybody watches, that's the main reason for meta-shifts...you can't shift the metagame with the magnitude of tournaments in the western scene because there's never an event everybody watches and never the possibility to prepare for a week for just one televised match. Look at Thorzain to see what happens when some of the westerners get to do this. Thor built anyone? Too bad it got nerfed instantly... My main point however is still: wtf were they thinking having an age long tournament like this without announcing it early enough? And then talking trash about the western scene? Gosh, the guy goes on my nerves. read the OP it clearly said that they sent the invitation for super tournament during the world championship it was announced early enough and he isnt talking trash about the western scene he just doesnt understand why the foreign players arent coming despite invitations even though they done so much for foreign in korea eg. gom house | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On May 22 2011 02:38 emythrel wrote: I think also with the addition of the NASL, IPL and MLG prize pools there isn't much reason for them to travel to korea. In BW, if you wanted to make money you kinda had to go to korea, thats not the case now, Koreans are playing in foreigner tourneys more and more because there is alot of money to be won........ why go to korea to play for a month and make $1500 when you could stay at home, play from your room and win big money in NASL et al. Korea isn't the mecca of SC2, its just not, and if the foreigner scene keeps growing like it as atm, it won't ever be. Even if the Koreans eventually become unbeatable, the rest of the world has a large enough scene with enough money behind it that there won't be the motivation to move to korea. You do realize that this is the worst possible senario for the SC2 scene, right? Once Korea starts dominating, and it will happen unless foreigners start compete in Korea where the level of competition is on another level, all the other major tourneys you mentioned will mostly likely be won by Koreans. How is this good for the nature of the SC2 e-sport? | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:04 Subversion wrote: Did this piss anyone else off? Nobody said this at all, did they? How arrogant is that? What the fuck. Yeah, it's a pretty shitty thing for a gom rep to be saying. Stands in stark contrast to what the guys at playxp, who are far more likely to be watching international competition, are saying. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:05 Yamulo wrote: And after the korean performance in the world championship can he really say that code S is so much better than MLG... Maybe some players... Wasn't Dimaga the only player to actually beat a korean in the world champioship? He and TT1 the only one to go to the second round, but TT1 had faced another foreigner? | ||
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:06 L3gendary wrote: Where does he says that? Aren't they giving code S status to the winner of MLG after Columbus? He said GSL and MLG aren't on the same level, but that they give MLG winners a Code S seed anyway. Which is essentially him saying "we're being really nice to you even though you're worse than us". | ||
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:04 Subversion wrote: Did this piss anyone else off? Nobody said this at all, did they? How arrogant is that? What the fuck. ok you got this wrong read the paragraph again it says that foreign fans not the gom people | ||
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