On August 12 2011 17:20 whateverpeeps wrote: Also can anyone give me a definitive answer/good argument on why it's okay that this committee BANNED ALL Korean players from participating?
If it is as you say it is, that NASL was this and that, then why didn't this committee simply leave it into the hands of the managers and the players? Surely if NASL sucks as bad as people allege, then players won't return on thier own will...especially if they can't afford it.
Why does this committee have to make an official ban on ALL players, including those that want to go, forcing players like MC to now look for a way around the ban?
Thats what I really don't like too. I feel terrible for the players. Look at the players who have outside deals with foreign teams or the ones who could afford it themselves. Who are sc2con to say they aren't allowed to play?
On August 12 2011 16:27 PHILtheTANK wrote: [quote]
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In season 1 the travel stipend was 500 dollars and the prize money for qualifying for the finals was also 500 dollars. NASL bought the tickets for the korean players, removing the ticket price(plus hotel/food/travel) of ~1650 dollars from the combined stipend and their prize winnings. This means that if you lost out in the first round players received 0 dollars, and NASL lost 650 dollars(which only happened with zenio). With the increased stipend and redistributed prize pool in season 2 players would be guaranteed 350 dollars after travel, just for making it there, while in season 1 no money was guaranteed for the players they bought tickets for.
In what world is 350<0? Please do some research, or at least learn simple math before posting nonsense.
People before you have already pointed out that the part of their expenses being paid is wrong.
But no, you can't count that as "having lost 650". The 500 dollars of prize money is just that: prize money, something that was already going to be paid. The players just found that the NASL wasn't worth all the crap for just that amount.
And nowhere did I say 350< 0. Learn reading comprehension before you post nonsense.
You just don't get it do you. The NASL never offered to pay for all the players out of their own pockets, that's why they have teams, to send them to tournaments. What NASL did do was offer a substantial amount of money and increase their lower end prize pool to make sure nobody lost money on this, if the koreans didn't find it worth their time they shouldn't have played in qualifiers.
And you said that it was the NASL who is trying to pay less than they did before which is a blatant lie, so maybe it is you who needs some reading comprehension.
Apparently Koreans did raise objection to NASL, and both sides are at fault if anything for not reaching a mutual acceptance before the qualifiers ended.
Except that the koreans still played in the qualifiers, not issuing this ultimatum of theirs until they were over.
Well then NASL should've either stopped the players from further participating in the qualifiers at that point (if SC2Con raised their objection after the qualifers got started) or meet their demand earlier on?
Both parties are at fault for this mess.
Ridiculous. Should novody ever sign a contract because somebody may break it?
The only thing NASL is at fault for is not being billionaires so they could pay everybodys way.
In preparation for Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties].
Can you please read NASL's own statement.
There was no contract signed, and it's NASL that went ahead with season 2 without agreement reached. It's entirely their fault for the mess that has occured here.
NASL had the choice of either meeting the demand or booting Korean players off of the qualifiers. They did neither.
First off by entering the qualifiers and participating they had already agreed to the terms, then they dropped the ultimatum, afterwards. NASL obviously thought they were going to work it out, so they continued on, even if they had stopped the qualifiers then the entire thing would have to be redone.
I also like how you start off with" both parties are at fault" and in 5 mins move on to" NASL is entirely at fault". Take your bias elsewhere.
Well the Koreans can say the samething - by beginning the tournament despite their objections, NASL has already agreed to their demand.
Perhaps NASl can't be blamed for this mass in whole. But if anything, it is only rational to blame the organizers for a mistake in the logistics of an event, than to blame participant.
Except you are assuming the objections were made before the qualifiers.
Because the players and teams make up this committee? It's almost like the player's union in the NFL or NBA, except the coaches are involved. They're supposed to look out for the interests of ALL the players, not just the superstars.
On August 12 2011 16:27 PHILtheTANK wrote: [quote]
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In season 1 the travel stipend was 500 dollars and the prize money for qualifying for the finals was also 500 dollars. NASL bought the tickets for the korean players, removing the ticket price(plus hotel/food/travel) of ~1650 dollars from the combined stipend and their prize winnings. This means that if you lost out in the first round players received 0 dollars, and NASL lost 650 dollars(which only happened with zenio). With the increased stipend and redistributed prize pool in season 2 players would be guaranteed 350 dollars after travel, just for making it there, while in season 1 no money was guaranteed for the players they bought tickets for.
In what world is 350<0? Please do some research, or at least learn simple math before posting nonsense.
People before you have already pointed out that the part of their expenses being paid is wrong.
But no, you can't count that as "having lost 650". The 500 dollars of prize money is just that: prize money, something that was already going to be paid. The players just found that the NASL wasn't worth all the crap for just that amount.
And nowhere did I say 350< 0. Learn reading comprehension before you post nonsense.
You just don't get it do you. The NASL never offered to pay for all the players out of their own pockets, that's why they have teams, to send them to tournaments. What NASL did do was offer a substantial amount of money and increase their lower end prize pool to make sure nobody lost money on this, if the koreans didn't find it worth their time they shouldn't have played in qualifiers.
And you said that it was the NASL who is trying to pay less than they did before which is a blatant lie, so maybe it is you who needs some reading comprehension.
Apparently Koreans did raise objection to NASL, and both sides are at fault if anything for not reaching a mutual acceptance before the qualifiers ended.
Except that the koreans still played in the qualifiers, not issuing this ultimatum of theirs until they were over.
Well then NASL should've either stopped the players from further participating in the qualifiers at that point (if SC2Con raised their objection after the qualifers got started) or meet their demand earlier on?
Both parties are at fault for this mess.
Ridiculous. Should novody ever sign a contract because somebody may break it?
The only thing NASL is at fault for is not being billionaires so they could pay everybodys way.
In preparation for Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties].
Can you please read NASL's own statement.
There was no contract signed, and it's NASL that went ahead with season 2 without agreement reached. It's entirely their fault for the mess that has occured here.
NASL had the choice of either meeting the demand or booting Korean players off of the qualifiers. They did neither.
First off by entering the qualifiers and participating they had already agreed to the terms, then they dropped the ultimatum, afterwards. NASL obviously thought they were going to work it out, so they continued on, even if they had stopped the qualifiers then the entire thing would have to be redone.
I also like how you start off with" both parties are at fault" and in 5 mins move on to" NASL is entirely at fault". Take your bias elsewhere.
Well the Koreans can say the samething - by beginning the tournament despite their objections, NASL has already agreed to their demand.
Perhaps NASl can't be blamed for this mass in whole. But if anything, it is only rational to blame the organizers for a mistake in the logistics of an event, than to blame participant.
Wow its getting too late for me to be talking to morons, heading to bed.
You realize that the NASL has a schedule to keep, they have productions to do, they can't let their tournament be held hostage by a group of teams coaches. Its obvious that NASL was willing to make all the concessions they possibly could and the SC2con was willing to make none. Its pretty clear who is in the wrong, especially after encouraging their players to play in qualifiers then pulling them out.
On August 12 2011 08:31 masterbreti wrote: tbh good for the Koreans for sticking to their guns.
Has anyone here auctally tried to caculate the cost of a 1 week trip to cali from seoul and back. its damn expensive. Being almost 3k with hotel and airfare and such. For the chance at $500, which would still lose them $500 if NASL paid 2k.
I can understand why the teams would do this tbh. They are not in a healthy state in Korea and of course they would want people to pay, since they can't temselves.
I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.
If this is true, I say fuck them.
But I think the reak reason for this is the Puma-EG fallout at NASL.
East Asians have sense for being a collective. The collective is way more important than the individual. Thus if you go against one of them you will meet a wall of silence when you try to do business with others, supposed neutrals.
This in mind, the Koreans may hold a grudge against NASL and EG and this fallout is just a continuation, a kind of pay back of what happened at the finals. Sure, NASL could not do anything against it, but since their name was involved, they have to suffer from it.
I expect something directed against EG too. Maybe not now, but in moth or even years to come. East Asians have long memories when it comes to holding a grudge.
Well i dont understand that, if its cheaper to offer them full travel expenses, THEN JUST DO IT!
This is really going to hurt their league and if what they wanted is full travel expenses and its actually cheaper than what they were offering.... Then why doesnt NASL just do it, they would save money from their last offer anyways.
Something else is afoot here doesnt make much sense to me, i think it would be quite difficult for a korean team that doesnt speak english to arrange accomadations so im sure thats a factor as well, i think they just want to beable to land in america and not have any troubles or mix ups wich is understandable and other tournaments do that for them.
Why the hell wouldnt NASL just pay their travel expenses if its supposedy cheaper as the NASL.TV post suggests? thats my question.
I think NASL responded with a decent proposal. When you're negotiating you can't have everything....NASL gave them a compromise that was reasonable, but the Koreans wanted everything...
On August 12 2011 17:24 StyLeD wrote: I think NASL responded with a decent proposal. When you're negotiating you can't have everything....NASL gave them a compromise that was reasonable, but the Koreans wanted everything...
You can have as much as your leverage allows. If you hold all the chips, then you don't have to make as many (or any) concessions.
On August 12 2011 08:17 storm44 wrote: How about you change your fuckin terrible format. One series and you get knocked out? Who gives a shit if you pay for all their expenses. They are not going to travel across the world only to play for 30 minutes. I think this was a huge factor in why they chose not to participate.
This ^
For 2-3 months, the Koreans had to wake up at ungodly hours every week, play with lag disadvantage, then players like Boxer had to travel half way across the globe... all this to play two freakin games? And you're telling them that their full travel cost wont be covered?
No wonder players like Boxer is withdrew...
-_- As long I'm aware that the best players aren't playing, it kinda killed the energy of the tournament for me. Definitely gonna just watch the finals if it seems possibly interesting, but not the regular season nor pay for it.
Playing 2-3months , 1 game a week at odd hours, flying across the globe for a single Bo3, meh.
On August 12 2011 17:20 whateverpeeps wrote: Also can anyone give me a definitive answer/good argument on why it's okay that this committee BANNED ALL Korean players from participating?
If it is as you say it is, that NASL was this and that, then why didn't this committee simply leave it into the hands of the managers and the players? Surely if NASL sucks as bad as people allege, then players won't return on thier own will...especially if they can't afford it.
Why does this committee have to make an official ban on ALL players, including those that want to go, forcing players like MC to now look for a way around the ban?
Thats what I really don't like too. I feel terrible for the players. Look at the players who have outside deals with foreign teams or the ones who could afford it themselves. Who are sc2con to say they aren't allowed to play?
That's why I brought it up. It seems that many Koreans want to play, but are now banned from it. They're not allowed to show up to their matches because of the committee.
If this is an issue of money, or servers, or times, why not just let the players decide if it's worth it?
I think there's something REALLY fishy that this wasn't left in the hands of the players...almost like if it was, that most of the players WOULD attend NASL.
With most players actively struggling to qualify in season 2, players looking around the ban, and complete lack of complaints from EU players which had to go through the same thing...it doesn't seem to me that too many players are actually unhappy.
On August 12 2011 17:20 whateverpeeps wrote: Can anyone give me a good answer/argument on why it's okay that this committee BANNED ALL Korean players from participating?
If it is as you say it is, that NASL was this and that, then why didn't this committee simply leave it into the hands of the managers and the players? Surely if NASL sucks as bad as people allege, then players won't return on their own will...especially if they can't afford it.
Why does this committee have to make an official ban on ALL players, including those that want to go, forcing players like MC to now look for a way around the ban?
Who do you think makes up s2con? It's the coaches and the players association, I.E. the teams themselves. It's not some obscure group who has no connection to anything, the reason they're able to pull out as a group is because they pretty much are the group they're representing. There may be a few players with differing opinions but the teams made a decision overall themselves.
When the Korean teams say that they are not happy how the tournament is run and that they will not participate in S2 if <insert the demands if Korean teams here> is not exactly done everyone is jumping the gun and blame them for having demands.
Can someone point me the difference between TL and Korean teams situation? And please not "they have a signed deal" because there is no information about something signed in OP.
Sure. TL didn't join qualifiers, taking up spots, didn't promise to be in the league, didn't proceed as if they were participating in the league, didn't plan to not be in the league yet refuse to say anything when the schedule and player lists were released, didn't plan to not be in the league but decide to abruptly call a boycott after the season begins.
And there is no information that they didn't sign a deal, but if the season had already started, don't you think there was some kind of agreement involved? At the very least, a verbal agreement, which can be a binding contract? Just saying, I don't think NASL is dense enough to start the season with 1/3 of the players not competing.
If you are to take a close reading of this paragraph.. (part of NASL's statement)
"In preparation for Season 2, it was made known to us by Mr.Chae of the GSL that the Korean teams threatened to withdraw from the NASL unless several demands were made: 1) pay for 100% of travel and accommodation cost for the Grand Finals and 2) remove the security deposit. The concerns of the Korean teams, as expressed to us by Mr.Chae were that it is difficult for Koreans to travel to the USA given their generally lower level of sponsorship, and secondly that they don’t think Koreans should have to pay to enter the event [despite the fact that we refund all security deposits, making the league free to play barring any penalties]. "
It's fairly clear that the objection was brought up prior to the beginning of season 2.
Koreans are not at fault here. NASL clearly ignored their demand and went ahead with season 2.
It says in preparation for Season 2. That all occurred after the qualifiers as they went on before the Grand Finals. Koreans are at fault here for signing up for a tournament that they couldn't follow through on. Regardless of signing a contract or not, they knew what the deal was before hand. And they still went on with it. After they qualified they said things needed to change.
Your statement is true and fair. But you need to take of account that NASL chose to ignore the problems they had on hand and started filming. And when Koreans pulled out, NASL posted this thread and try to shift the blame to them (this is very obvious from the choice of words used in OP).
Please note I am agreeing that SC2Con is partly at fault. What makes my blood boil is the OP by NASL. It reeks of anger and an hidden agenda of trying to get the community against Koreans.
2k is a nice sum of monney but tbh its not enough to cover the travel expenses at all it isnt 2k either btw, it realy is 1k since the other 1k is guaranteed price monney just looked up cheap tickets from seoul to the usa and i couldnt find annything below 1100$ and thats only the flight, then there tons of other costs like travel in korea and usa and taxes and what not wich makes the initial 500$ looks kinda symbolical 1000 comes closer but it still does not cover it Still disapointed in the decission of them to not go, but i guess for manny pro,s in korea it is not that easy to make a living from it and then these things might just tip it
will still watch the nasl, love watching the game and dont mind that much if a korean or european is playing
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Oh well, atleast the games won't be a month old when they are broadcasted.
this so much so dislike watching global league games wich are played ages ago and then they are brought to the public as if its the latest league game:s
On August 12 2011 16:41 dignitasNewmaN wrote: How anyone can fault NASL in any of this is beyond me, they have done and do a lot of stupid shit but this is definitely not one of the things.
From the information available they have been very forthcoming and tried to make things work for everyone. Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals. Competition needs to be fair no matter where you are from and one group of players cant expect to get special treatment.
It's just a shame that the Korean teams aren't as financially strong as the international teams.
So you're fine with one group having twice the latency of another and playing at 5am while the rest play in the afternoon/evening?
That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going.
Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website.
Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes.
Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it:
I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.
The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2.
I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong?
It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In season 1 the travel stipend was 500 dollars and the prize money for qualifying for the finals was also 500 dollars. NASL bought the tickets for the korean players, removing the ticket price(plus hotel/food/travel) of ~1650 dollars from the combined stipend and their prize winnings. This means that if you lost out in the first round players received 0 dollars, and NASL lost 650 dollars(which only happened with zenio). With the increased stipend and redistributed prize pool in season 2 players would be guaranteed 350 dollars after travel, just for making it there, while in season 1 no money was guaranteed for the players they bought tickets for.
In what world is 350<0? Please do some research, or at least learn simple math before posting nonsense.
People before you have already pointed out that the part of their expenses being paid is wrong.
But no, you can't count that as "having lost 650". The 500 dollars of prize money is just that: prize money, something that was already going to be paid. The players just found that the NASL wasn't worth all the crap for just that amount.
And nowhere did I say 350< 0. Learn reading comprehension before you post nonsense.
You just don't get it do you. The NASL never offered to pay for all the players out of their own pockets, that's why they have teams, to send them to tournaments. What NASL did do was offer a substantial amount of money and increase their lower end prize pool to make sure nobody lost money on this, if the koreans didn't find it worth their time they shouldn't have played in qualifiers.
And you said that it was the NASL who is trying to pay less than they did before which is a blatant lie, so maybe it is you who needs some reading comprehension.
Apparently Koreans did raise objection to NASL, and both sides are at fault if anything for not reaching a mutual acceptance before the qualifiers ended.
Except that the koreans still played in the qualifiers, not issuing this ultimatum of theirs until they were over.
Apparently, NASL never bothered to finish negotiating or completing the contracts before the season started. At that point, there are 2 options. Stop them from playing until contracts are done, or continue with business and hope that things get hammered out. They chose the latter and it bit them in the ass.
or Koreans who spent their own money to get there only to be surprised by fucking terrible tournament management and expensive security deposit which hasnt even been paid back to the players, and now NASL is asking for more security deposit which is a fucking joke to start with... you are asking pro gamers to pay security deposits?? all the walkovers and stuff is due to the terrible tournament management not due to the PLAYERS.
lol Because a player who doesn't even notify the tournament that there is a problem and that they won't be making it is the tournament's fault?
That's terrible team management, and deserves a fine. A security deposit is just that...a deposit. If you're good, you get it back. NASL is not past it's deadline to return the deposits, so I highly doubt that's the issue.
Keep in mind you are addressing some guy's speculations about what the issue is, being presented as facts, not facts themselves. We haven't received an official statement from sc2con yet.
No you are the one getting the facts wrong.
Re-read the OP (NASL's statement). Koreans did demand a negotiation, to change the term of their accommodation. NASL did not meet/refuse to meet the demand.
Therefore Koreans pulled out. There was no contract, and therefore no fine.
If anything the wrongdoing's on NASL's side for not completing the negotiation before due.
No I have them right, you just don't understand them.
According to the guy, the issue that Koreans ALLEGEDLY (BOLD BOLD BOLD) have with the deposits is that season 1 deposits have not been refunded yet. This is made up crap, because NASL is within their time frame and is paying the deposits back (which they said earlier and listed names of people who can vouch). I highly doubt anyone would be angry over that.
The original purpose of the deposits is to make sure that players show up on time and to decrease walkovers. It is not poor management that a league has walkovers, as often times that results because players just fail to show up without any warning (PainUser). If a player fails to show up on time without warning, they are penalized. If they show up on time, the deposit is refunded at the end of the season. What's so hard to understand about that?
What's so hard to understand about there not being a contract? It doesn't matter what the reasons are, the Koreans were not obligated to play at any point in the tournament if there is no contract.
When the Korean teams say that they are not happy how the tournament is run and that they will not participate in S2 if <insert the demands if Korean teams here> is not exactly done everyone is jumping the gun and blame them for having demands.
Can someone point me the difference between TL and Korean teams situation? And please not "they have a signed deal" because there is no information about something signed in OP.
Sure. TL didn't join qualifiers, taking up spots, didn't promise to be in the league, didn't proceed as if they were participating in the league, didn't plan to not be in the league yet refuse to say anything when the schedule and player lists were released, didn't plan to not be in the league but decide to abruptly call a boycott after the season begins.
And there is no information that they didn't sign a deal, but if the season had already started, don't you think there was some kind of agreement involved? At the very least, a verbal agreement, which can be a binding contract? Just saying, I don't think NASL is dense enough to start the season with 1/3 of the players not competing.
There is also no word from the Korean side of things either but you don't seem to be too worried about that.
On August 12 2011 17:06 Bobster wrote: holy shit
NASL is completely in the right here. Season 2 is completely fucked up. No Koreans means leaving, what? 25 players in the pool?
How is NASL in the right here? From the information given, at best, they made a mistake for not hammering out a contract with the Koreans for season 2 before they started. Please tell me, if there is no contract and the Koreans don't feel like they're getting a fair deal, what makes it wrong for them to stop? And no "good will" arguments either because Koreans got a raw deal in season 1 and it wasn't much better in season 2.
On August 12 2011 15:57 shadymmj wrote: Guys don't be retarded, NASL presents what is clearly a very one sided account of the issue and suddenly Americans think that they are they best thing since sliced bread?
There are many koreans who are willing to compete for fame and just a little bit of the prize money. It is odd that the entire korean organisation (except for the few exceptions) is getting the fuck out of it. Not just withdrawal of their best players, which is understandable, but a total, complete withdrawal.
Ask yourself, why are korean teams willing to send non invited players using their own $$$ to the MLG (a well run tournament) to compete, but not so for NASL? Perhaps they think the way the finals are set up is stupid. A single best of 3, you lose, goodbye, pack up, go home?
Totally agree, clearly there is more to this issue if korean teams are still willing to (or have been) to pay for their players to go ot MLG wich only offers a 5k prize pool. Obviously im talking about the players that have attended outside of the GSL exchange program.
I dont get it though if NASL is saying they were basically offering all the travel expenses anyways, then why didnt they just offer them exactly that? Instead of something similair that the koreans wouldnt accept, seems like they could have saved alot of headaches for the same amount of money pretty much.
Honestly I always though NASL was a very sub par production anyways, so im actually glad the koreans withdrew now i dont have an excuse to watch it, and we shouldnt be supporting sub par production value's and countless mistakes that NASL has been plagued with anyways.
Productions like Dreamhack MLG and GSL , SHOULD be supported (i guess its a matter of oppinion but i dont think many would disagree that they have excellent production qualities) but when an event cant keep their shit together, why should we support it? So other shitty leagues can pop up thinking they can pull the same shit.
No thanks.
And why should we not support smaller productions? Does it offend you that koreans are not going to be playing in North American Star League? Its not like NASL was to blame for the loss of extremely talented players, it was based on a rash decision that was out of their control, they tried to make a deal, but nothing worked. It seems like you are trying to make this sound bad, and try make it sound like it was NASLs problem. Everyone has the right to be supported no matter what they do. Don't go blaming someone for something they did not do.
NASL had a choice. Get contract done before starting league. Start league and pray that things work out. They chose the latter, things didn't work out, they're dealing with the consequences. Nothing else to say. Go read the post, they never actually finished negotiations or got a contract for season 2. The Koreans told them issues that needed to be resolved (or they would leave) during preparation for season 2. NASL tried to work it out but started the league anyway before things were done. Koreans finally decide enough is enough. It's not blaming NASL for something they did not do...all it looks like is that they took a gamble on the contract decision that did not pan out and the Koreans made a business decision. That's all. Considering most of the animosity is being directed at the Koreans, I would say you should probably take a step back and chill before getting offended.
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