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vertical101
Profile Joined April 2011
Hong Kong311 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 08:40:13
August 12 2011 08:29 GMT
#2161
Korean is really good taking foreign money(prize+this shit). this unfair for western-programer.
top 10 of prizemoney is korean, next thing we know they want to eat us aLive. they should have been happy from what they have. and think for foreigner player too. korean get special treatment in foreign tournaments but not enough they want everthing. NASL is still new, look like they want MLG shitty 15kprize pool + good stipend >NASL 100kprize money+enough stipend. weird,funny they talk about NASL stipend but cant talk about how MLG shitty prize money it is. maybe they cant touch MLG because of MLG+GOM partnership.
PHC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States472 Posts
August 12 2011 08:30 GMT
#2162
On August 12 2011 17:11 Dexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:34 NASL.tv wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:31 masterbreti wrote:
tbh good for the Koreans for sticking to their guns.

Has anyone here auctally tried to caculate the cost of a 1 week trip to cali from seoul and back. its damn expensive. Being almost 3k with hotel and airfare and such. For the chance at $500, which would still lose them $500 if NASL paid 2k.

I can understand why the teams would do this tbh. They are not in a healthy state in Korea and of course they would want people to pay, since they can't temselves.


I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.


If this is true, I say fuck them.

But I think the reak reason for this is the Puma-EG fallout at NASL.

East Asians have sense for being a collective. The collective is way more important than the individual. Thus if you go against one of them you will meet a wall of silence when you try to do business with others, supposed neutrals.

This in mind, the Koreans may hold a grudge against NASL and EG and this fallout is just a continuation, a kind of pay back of what happened at the finals. Sure, NASL could not do anything against it, but since their name was involved, they have to suffer from it.

I expect something directed against EG too. Maybe not now, but in moth or even years to come. East Asians have long memories when it comes to holding a grudge.


I thought the same thing. I think this is more of a message to NASL/EG to prevent another Puma incident. It also doesn't help that NASL has a track record of being hostile, even towards their own customers - I mean even the tone in the OP is hostile ffs. Way to burn bridges NASL. Good job. Complete opposite of MLG and Dreamhack.
isleyofthenorth
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Austria894 Posts
August 12 2011 08:30 GMT
#2163
smart decision by incontrol to jump off before everything crashed i have to say, if i knew that was coming i would have done the same
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
August 12 2011 08:32 GMT
#2164
I don't know how these teams are going to withstand the pressure from players who know they could get a big pay check. It's obvious not everyone in the Korean scene is in favour of globalisation, and it is the players that it will hurt the most.

The tournament itself won't be any less fun for me to watch. There will still be great players and good presentation. This is what makes watching SC2 fun for me.
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MVBasten
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway37 Posts
August 12 2011 08:32 GMT
#2165
Considering the amount of money the korean teams won in the first season it is a bit suprising. I do get the feeling though that the korean teams had more issues than this with the NASL, like key players having to disrupt their sleep schedule and team training for such a long time as the NASL lasts. The travel/living expenses was one of the issues that was actually possible to change, so it would seem they wouldn't negotiate on those terms.

Anyways sad news and all, but doesn't seem to be anyone at fault on either side in this case.
Inex
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria443 Posts
August 12 2011 08:32 GMT
#2166
Well not such a great loss. At least some other less known, but probably deserving players will be in the league. Maybe we can see Grubby in it again? Currently the IPL 2 doesn't have Koreans left and is great pleasure to watch, so I don't see how that will make NASL less entertaining. I think NASL s2 will be even better, with better production value and hopefully new and interesting players. New rivalries, new strats, etc. Looking forward to NASL 2.
lee365
Profile Joined December 2010
United States448 Posts
August 12 2011 08:33 GMT
#2167
Thank god SlayerS isn't on that list
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 08:35:07
August 12 2011 08:33 GMT
#2168
On August 12 2011 17:23 theBizness wrote:
Because the players and teams make up this committee? It's almost like the player's union in the NFL or NBA, except the coaches are involved. They're supposed to look out for the interests of ALL the players, not just the superstars.

Except its like the NFL Owners and the Players Union combined in one.

And how is allowing a guy like MC go to NASL screwing over the unknown players? My point is that it should be up to the individual team and player, rather than a vote (maybe some teams disagree with the committee's ruling, but are the minority).
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pulsade13
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia50 Posts
August 12 2011 08:34 GMT
#2169
I hope this ends up working out for the foreign teams with Korean players. Personally I would rather watch a tournament with half Koreans, half foreigners and see that kind of distribution as the tournament progresses. The Koreans on average are much better so this rarely happens so it becomes Korean vs Korean and I'd much rather watch the GSL for that. I hope next season of NASL has players like Idra and Naniwa vs Puma or Hero or any of the FXO guys. I think that would be a much more interesting tournament because we have already have Koreans dominating MLG and have heaps of GSL every week.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
August 12 2011 08:35 GMT
#2170
Funny thing is that European players have pretty much the same situation as far a money goes and they have a lot lower chances of winning anything, but noone is complaining there.
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 08:36:52
August 12 2011 08:35 GMT
#2171
On August 12 2011 17:33 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 17:23 theBizness wrote:
Because the players and teams make up this committee? It's almost like the player's union in the NFL or NBA, except the coaches are involved. They're supposed to look out for the interests of ALL the players, not just the superstars.

Except its like the NFL Owners and the Players Union combined in one.


Ehh sort of, I guess my analogy fails because there are multiple leagues. The bit about representing all of the players: players like MC might be able to afford it out of pocket, but I'm guessing overall they would prefer to try and get as many players to be able to participate as possible. A majority of the players represented by the committee aren't known superstars who can pay out of pocket for overseas tournaments.
Less money for casters, more money for players.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 12 2011 08:36 GMT
#2172
On August 12 2011 17:23 cheesemaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 17:11 Dexx wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:34 NASL.tv wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:31 masterbreti wrote:
tbh good for the Koreans for sticking to their guns.

Has anyone here auctally tried to caculate the cost of a 1 week trip to cali from seoul and back. its damn expensive. Being almost 3k with hotel and airfare and such. For the chance at $500, which would still lose them $500 if NASL paid 2k.

I can understand why the teams would do this tbh. They are not in a healthy state in Korea and of course they would want people to pay, since they can't temselves.


I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.


If this is true, I say fuck them.

But I think the reak reason for this is the Puma-EG fallout at NASL.

East Asians have sense for being a collective. The collective is way more important than the individual. Thus if you go against one of them you will meet a wall of silence when you try to do business with others, supposed neutrals.

This in mind, the Koreans may hold a grudge against NASL and EG and this fallout is just a continuation, a kind of pay back of what happened at the finals. Sure, NASL could not do anything against it, but since their name was involved, they have to suffer from it.

I expect something directed against EG too. Maybe not now, but in moth or even years to come. East Asians have long memories when it comes to holding a grudge.

Well i dont understand that, if its cheaper to offer them full travel expenses, THEN JUST DO IT!

This is really going to hurt their league and if what they wanted is full travel expenses and its actually cheaper than what they were offering.... Then why doesnt NASL just do it, they would save money from their last offer anyways.


Something else is afoot here doesnt make much sense to me, i think it would be quite difficult for a korean team that doesnt speak english to arrange accomadations so im sure thats a factor as well, i think they just want to beable to land in america and not have any troubles or mix ups wich is understandable and other tournaments do that for them.

Why the hell wouldnt NASL just pay their travel expenses if its supposedy cheaper as the NASL.TV post suggests? thats my question.


Where is this idea that its cheaper for NASL to pay for travel than what their offer is coming from? Its simply not true.
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dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
August 12 2011 08:36 GMT
#2173
On August 12 2011 17:33 lee365 wrote:
Thank god SlayerS isn't on that list


Boxer already stated that he wont be competing in Season 2.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
Honeybadger
Profile Joined August 2010
United States821 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 08:39:16
August 12 2011 08:37 GMT
#2174
This is pretty goddamn stupid. GOM doesn't get to bully around other tournaments. They're nowhere near influential enough for that.

did all primary korean teams withdraw? Did they withdraw because of an overruling korean committee? What was the korean overlord's penalty to teams that decided the UNBELIEVABLY generous offer of $2,000 was actually fair, and wanted to participate?

This strikes me as just one more reason not to renew my GOM pass. Oh well, looks like they're making my decisions for me now, too!

Not that I care. Been a loyal, paying fan since the beginning, but after one season of NASL game that were consistently higher quality than anything I've ever seen on GOM, even with the slightly duller bracket method, I'm a convert.

Not to mention, I don't have to listen to moletrap anymore!


On August 12 2011 17:36 dabom88 wrote:

Boxer already stated that he wont be competing in Season 2.


Boxer isn't the only member of slayers

I get the feeling that boxer just needs a break. Guy gets so much shit, and yet performs so consistently amazing, while coaching a team and dating the most influential woman in starcraft.
"I like to tape my thumbs to my hands to see what it would be like to be a dinosaur."
Kaelaris
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom788 Posts
August 12 2011 08:37 GMT
#2175
While this is sad news I shall still watch the NASL! In my opinion it's similar to Premiership Football in England, if all the foreign players left and it was only English players, i'd still watch it.

I for one love the effort NASL is putting in when it comes to expanding the foreign presence! <3
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theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
August 12 2011 08:38 GMT
#2176
On August 12 2011 17:37 Honeybadger wrote:
This is pretty goddamn stupid. GOM doesn't get to bully around other tournaments. They're nowhere near influential enough for that.

did all primary korean teams withdraw? Did they withdraw because of an overruling korean committee? What was the korean overlord's penalty to teams that decided the UNBELIEVABLY generous offer of $2,000 was actually fair, and wanted to participate?

This strikes me as just one more reason not to renew my GOM pass. Oh well, looks like they're making my decisions for me now, too!

Not that I care. Been a loyal, paying fan since the beginning, but after one season of NASL game that were consistently higher quality than anything I've ever seen on GOM, even with the slightly duller bracket method, I'm a convert.

Not to mention, I don't have to listen to moletrap anymore!


Because GOM made this decision...
Less money for casters, more money for players.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
August 12 2011 08:38 GMT
#2177
On August 12 2011 17:28 Govou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 17:19 jmbthirteen wrote:
On August 12 2011 17:11 Govou wrote:
On August 12 2011 17:10 danteafk wrote:
they should come down from their high steed


maybe NASL should pay up first?

I hear they haven't paid back neither the deposit from season1 nor the prize money.

I've heard they have 60 days to do so and still have a few weeks til that time is up.


really? don't you find it strange you dont get the deposit money at least by now?

Well considering some players have gotten it already, no I don't. There is a reason NASL put a 60 day period on it.
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Kenkadrums
Profile Joined August 2010
United States7 Posts
August 12 2011 08:39 GMT
#2178
Well I certainly won't be watching this now. No point in watching a competition that doesn't include the highest of play. I don't blame the NASL of course, and I know it's unfair but I just lost interest.
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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
August 12 2011 08:39 GMT
#2179
On August 12 2011 17:30 isleyofthenorth wrote:
smart decision by incontrol to jump off before everything crashed i have to say, if i knew that was coming i would have done the same

iNc leaving NASL had more to do with his personal expectation as a player before caster, but all in all, I'm happy that he left NASL and won't have to be associated with this mess.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
PHC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States472 Posts
August 12 2011 08:40 GMT
#2180
On August 12 2011 17:35 Logros wrote:
Funny thing is that European players have pretty much the same situation as far a money goes and they have a lot lower chances of winning anything, but noone is complaining there.



That's the thing though, Koreans are even attending the grueling open brackets of MLG for only $5000 first prize, yet they are withdrawing from NASL's $40k first prize tournament.

Something else is going on FOR SURE.
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