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On August 12 2011 17:37 Honeybadger wrote:
This is pretty goddamn stupid. GOM doesn't get to bully around other tournaments. They're nowhere near influential enough for that.
did all primary korean teams withdraw? Did they withdraw because of an overruling korean committee? What was the korean overlord's penalty to teams that decided the UNBELIEVABLY generous offer of $2,000 was actually fair, and wanted to participate?
This strikes me as just one more reason not to renew my GOM pass. Oh well, looks like they're making my decisions for me now, too!
Not that I care. Been a loyal, paying fan since the beginning, but after one season of NASL game that were consistently higher quality than anything I've ever seen on GOM, even with the slightly duller bracket method, I'm a convert.
Not to mention, I don't have to listen to moletrap anymore!
On August 12 2011 08:30 NASL.tv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 08:26 Waxangel wrote:
Why is Mr.Chae the SC2Con's mouthpiece here o_O?
I think GomTV has a seat there as an advisory role, but I thought sc2con would take care of something this big by themselves =o We can't speak to the reasons behind this, but we repeatedly sent emails directly to the Korean team managers, and only received official responses from Mr.Chae of the GSL -- who was incredibly helpful and we at the NASL are very thankful for his efforts <3
On August 12 2011 09:05 NASL.tv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 09:03 BLCabeldank wrote:
that's so stupid... Mr. Chae has done nothing but hurt the foreign scene in my opinion... between his posts about foreign teams being scared to go to GSL to now this... $2000 per person was more than enough per person considering it's 4 times the original offer... well this sucks still going to watch the NASL should still be extremely cool This is absolutely false. Mr.Chae works VERY HARD to unite the Korean and foreign scene. I've spoken to him extensively about this issue and others, and I consider him a friend of mine. He has tried to argue our case to the Korean teams. He has been nothing but helpful. Please, show your respect to GOMTV and Mr.Chae, they're truly trying to help make eSports more global! <3 Mr.Chae
Talk about a misinformed post Honeybadger -.-
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Man i hate this news....such a sad day -_- . I still can't believe that they pulled out. I just really hope NASL peeps will work hard to give us a nice season and i for that matter will support them even more...
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On August 12 2011 17:42 Honeybadger wrote:Uh, think about two thousand dollars. Two. Thousand. Dollars. I researched flight costs. about $650 round trip. that's $1300 in pocket money, just for making it to the grand finals. I don't think you understand who gets to call the shots. It's the NASL's tournament. Not GOM's. They can kick and scream until the cows come home and it's still wrong for them to do that when an unbelievably generous offer is laid out right there in front of them, with no downsides. It's equivalent to a child throwing a temper tantrum because the toy his parents bought him for no real reason just wasn't big enough. Screw that.
Gom is not involved in this. You are just getting it totally wrong.
Also about $650 dollar plane, I dont know where you found them but I have flown to korea and back alot and there was no $650 dollar round trip. Unless you are talking about non direct flights which makes fly around the world and sleep at the airport.
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On August 12 2011 17:42 Honeybadger wrote:Uh, think about two thousand dollars. Two. Thousand. Dollars. I researched flight costs. about $650 round trip. that's $1300 in pocket money, just for making it to the grand finals. I don't think you understand who gets to call the shots. It's the NASL's tournament. Not GOM's. They can kick and scream until the cows come home and it's still wrong for them to do that when an unbelievably generous offer is laid out right there in front of them, with no downsides. It's equivalent to a child throwing a temper tantrum because the toy his parents bought him for no real reason just wasn't big enough. Screw that.
Dude the point you're not getting is that GOM had nothing to do with it at all. The SC2 association mentioned in the OP is not GOM, it's the SC2 players' association. Independant, completely separate entities.
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On August 12 2011 17:40 PHC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 17:35 Logros wrote:
Funny thing is that European players have pretty much the same situation as far a money goes and they have a lot lower chances of winning anything, but noone is complaining there. That's the thing though, Koreans are even attending the grueling open brackets of MLG for only $5000 first prize, yet they are withdrawing from NASL's $40k first prize tournament. Something else is going on FOR SURE.
NASL is 3 months of play when compared to 3 days for MLG.
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On August 12 2011 17:42 Bobster wrote:The big players in the Korean SC2 scene all have the BW history.
They're probably used to getting their way without question as far as international competition (as limited as it was in the BW days) goes.
that's what pisses me off. GOM is not KeSPA. They aren't a monopoly, they aren't the best (arguably) and they don't have fair right to do this.
I think this is a bad sign for korean teams, sadly enough. It's bad enough that lots of koreans are joining foreign teams.
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This guy going on and on about GOM still haha.
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On August 12 2011 17:18 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 17:13 NHY wrote:On August 12 2011 17:08 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 16:55 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 16:43 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:41 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
From the information available they have been very forthcoming and tried to make things work for everyone. Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals. Competition needs to be fair no matter where you are from and one group of players cant expect to get special treatment. Then just pay for everyone's travel expenses then. why don't Korean teams just pay for their travel? The example stated Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals.. Observe the context of the statement before responding to posts. The point is that NASL can't afford to just pay for everyone's travel like Korean teams can't afford to pay their own travel. No, that's not the point NewmaN raised. I'm not making Newman's point, I'm making my own.
Whether or not Korean teams or NASL could afford to pay travel is irrelevant to NewmaN and dabom88's discussion.
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On August 12 2011 17:45 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 17:40 PHC wrote:On August 12 2011 17:35 Logros wrote:
Funny thing is that European players have pretty much the same situation as far a money goes and they have a lot lower chances of winning anything, but noone is complaining there. That's the thing though, Koreans are even attending the grueling open brackets of MLG for only $5000 first prize, yet they are withdrawing from NASL's $40k first prize tournament. Something else is going on FOR SURE. NASL is 3 months of play when compared to 3 days for MLG.
Also the 4 invites' trips are paid for, Choya got paid for by FXO, Razer paid for the 2 additional SlayerS players other than MMA and Boxer, who were invites, Rain was part of fnatic, and for Anaheim CoL is paying for DRG. None of the Koreans are paying for their MLG trips either, whereas they would for NASL.
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This is no problem if NASL changes the number of participants. There is room for a league where the foreign scene battles it out amongst themselves, maybe with a few "foreign" koreans thrown in too. There is enough drama and excitement in seeing which of the teams has the best players, who is the best foreigner hope etc.
However, if they have 50 players again, I dont think there is the depth and talent to sustain that. It won't benefit them to have games like IPL's Machine v Spades..
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On August 12 2011 17:37 Honeybadger wrote:This is pretty goddamn stupid. GOM doesn't get to bully around other tournaments. They're nowhere near influential enough for that. did all primary korean teams withdraw? Did they withdraw because of an overruling korean committee? What was the korean overlord's penalty to teams that decided the UNBELIEVABLY generous offer of $2,000 was actually fair, and wanted to participate? This strikes me as just one more reason not to renew my GOM pass. Oh well, looks like they're making my decisions for me now, too! Not that I care. Been a loyal, paying fan since the beginning, but after one season of NASL game that were consistently higher quality than anything I've ever seen on GOM, even with the slightly duller bracket method, I'm a convert. Not to mention, I don't have to listen to moletrap anymore! Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 17:36 dabom88 wrote:
Boxer already stated that he wont be competing in Season 2. Boxer isn't the only member of slayers  I get the feeling that boxer just needs a break. Guy gets so much shit, and yet performs so consistently amazing, while coaching a team and dating the most influential woman in starcraft.
Uh.. Gom has nothing to do with this?
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On August 12 2011 17:42 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 17:38 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 17:28 Govou wrote:On August 12 2011 17:19 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 17:11 Govou wrote:On August 12 2011 17:10 danteafk wrote:they should come down from their high steed  maybe NASL should pay up first? I hear they haven't paid back neither the deposit from season1 nor the prize money. I've heard they have 60 days to do so and still have a few weeks til that time is up. really? don't you find it strange you dont get the deposit money at least by now? Well considering some players have gotten it already, no I don't. There is a reason NASL put a 60 day period on it. who's gotten it back? I heard none of the koreans got it back and actually they have recieved pretty much no money for all the effort they provided to NASL so that they can sell the vod. I wouldn't jump into sign up for season 2 if I were them.
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On August 12 2011 09:00 NASL.tv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 08:57 Kraznaya wrote:On August 12 2011 08:56 NASL.tv wrote:
We have absolutely no problem if the Koreans think the NASL is not worth their time // investment. Our only issue is the fact that they all: a) knew the contents of the contract, b) deliberately signed up players to qualify for the league, c) made demands, and d) waited until we already started the season to tell us that our offers to them were not acceptable. So are you going to address whether the security deposit was the true issue? We have already begun paying back all security deposits of players who are no longer in Season 2. Our contract states that all prizes will be paid within 60 days of the end of Season 1. We are still within that time frame, and will be paying all prizes within that period!
Artosis, HuK (who paid Boxer's deposit for S1), WeMadeFox, etc could all attest to the fact that we have and will pay our deposits back.
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[QUOTE]On August 12 2011 17:41 xBillehx wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 12 2011 17:37 Honeybadger wrote:
This is pretty goddamn stupid. GOM doesn't get to bully around other tournaments. They're nowhere near influential enough for that.
did all primary korean teams withdraw? Did they withdraw because of an overruling korean committee? What was the korean overlord's penalty to teams that decided the UNBELIEVABLY generous offer of $2,000 was actually fair, and wanted to participate?
This strikes me as just one more reason not to renew my GOM pass. Oh well, looks like they're making my decisions for me now, too!
Not that I care. Been a loyal, paying fan since the beginning, but after one season of NASL game that were consistently higher quality than anything I've ever seen on GOM, even with the slightly duller bracket method, I'm a convert.
Not to mention, I don't have to listen to moletrap anymore!
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On August 12 2011 17:45 DystopiaX wrote:
Dude the point you're not getting is that GOM had nothing to do with it at all. The SC2 association mentioned in the OP is not GOM, it's the SC2 players' association. Independant, completely separate entities.
oooooooooh, okay. I apologize bigtime for that. Damn, now I have to keep watching moletrap.
I must be tired, I thought i saw GOM in there somewhere.
so what the hell is the SC2 players' association, and what credentials do they have to boss the NASL around?
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On August 12 2011 17:42 Honeybadger wrote:Uh, think about two thousand dollars. Two. Thousand. Dollars. I researched flight costs. about $650 round trip. that's $1300 in pocket money, just for making it to the grand finals. I don't think you understand who gets to call the shots. It's the NASL's tournament. Not GOM's. They can kick and scream until the cows come home and it's still wrong for them to do that when an unbelievably generous offer is laid out right there in front of them, with no downsides. It's equivalent to a child throwing a temper tantrum because the toy his parents bought him for no real reason just wasn't big enough. Screw that.
Dude... put that pitchfork down... do I need to quote the OP again...?
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I simply don't understand why the Korean organization wouldn't take the deal. The 2k, from what the NASL spokesperson stated, appears to be more then enough to cover everything.
I really want to hear the Korean's reasoning for denying that final offer. NASL bent over backwards to accommodate them yet they still denied. What could possibly be wrong?
Truly sad to hear this. I won't sugarcoat this, I do not think I will follow NASL very closely after hearing this decision. Fact of the matter is, whether we like it or not, Koreans dominate the scene at the moment and show the highest level of play. It's a shame because it doesn't seem to be NASL's fault at all that things turned out this way :'(
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On August 12 2011 17:44 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Well.. that's a promising start
No but seriously that is a bit ridiculous... $2000 should be more than enough and they shouldn't have signed up for the league if they didn't accept the terms
It's $1000 not $2000. If you're going to include the guaranteed winnings in the travel stipend (which is only guaranteed after the 2 months of middle of the night Bo3's with latency problems), then now you're talking about spending 2 months doing the aforementioned and taking several days to fly halfway across the world to enter of single elimination tournament with NO guaranteed winnings. Might still be worth it for some players, apparently not for the consensus of the Korean players.
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Koreans are setting themselves on pedestals it seems. Good riddance IMO, shouldn't have taken it as far as you did.
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On August 12 2011 17:45 Honeybadger wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 17:42 Bobster wrote:The big players in the Korean SC2 scene all have the BW history.
They're probably used to getting their way without question as far as international competition (as limited as it was in the BW days) goes. that's what pisses me off. GOM is not KeSPA. They aren't a monopoly, they aren't the best (arguably) and they don't have fair right to do this. I think this is a bad sign for korean teams, sadly enough. It's bad enough that lots of koreans are joining foreign teams.
GOM's Mr Chae is relaying information from the korean teams to NASL. GOM is not doing anything to affect this deal and you've jumped to a stupid conclusion that someone already corrected earlier in the thread. Read the OP, there's nothing there about GOM deciding or doing anything but relaying information from the korean teams.
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Nothing to argue or bitch about. NASL has its rules, either they comply and join, or they don't. Noone has to get special treatment.
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