EPTKorean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 110
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Heathen
Philippines351 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:26 xBillehx wrote: Who do you think makes up s2con? It's the coaches and the players association, I.E. the teams themselves. It's not some obscure group who has no connection to anything, the reason they're able to pull out as a group is because they pretty much are the group they're representing. There may be a few players with differing opinions but the teams made a decision overall themselves. But why a complete ban from playing in the tournament? Why not just tell your players you can't play in this tournament because we can't afford to send you there? Why do they have to be banned from playing in NASL? That seems weird to me. | ||
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JSy
149 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:11 Dexx wrote: If this is true, I say fuck them. But I think the reak reason for this is the Puma-EG fallout at NASL. East Asians have sense for being a collective. The collective is way more important than the individual. Thus if you go against one of them you will meet a wall of silence when you try to do business with others, supposed neutrals. This in mind, the Koreans may hold a grudge against NASL and EG and this fallout is just a continuation, a kind of pay back of what happened at the finals. Sure, NASL could not do anything against it, but since their name was involved, they have to suffer from it. I expect something directed against EG too. Maybe not now, but in moth or even years to come. East Asians have long memories when it comes to holding a grudge. To be clear, when NASL.tv says they paid for those things, it appears they mean that they paid those expenses upfront but are deducting them from each players' winnings. Too many people misinterpret it as to mean that the organizers actually swallowed those costs themselves (like MLG and GSL have done for invites) | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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Woshie
Australia90 Posts
SCcon demands should have been presented to the NASL and resolved before any player entered the league. By putting their players in the league they have tried to force the NASL. If you want to sensationalize it you can almost banter around the word extortion. Season one deposits are not overdue from what I have read, nor is the prize money. All the other things where known beforehand as well. So to me it isn't a matter a NASL being right or wrong about things they do. But rather how this matter seems to been brought up and managed by a certain organisation. This coupled with the whole TSL debacle makes me question the whole organisation. | ||
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Owl
145 Posts
Anyway what about IM will their players be coming? I think for them this is great news,if nestea or losira drop out of code s,they can laugh at those other kor teams for withdrawing and letting them play vs bunch of foreigner newbs for code s prize pool. | ||
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stab
Denmark3 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:37 Honeybadger wrote: This is pretty goddamn stupid. GOM doesn't get to bully around other tournaments. They're nowhere near influential enough for that. did all primary korean teams withdraw? Did they withdraw because of an overruling korean committee? What was the korean overlord's penalty to teams that decided the UNBELIEVABLY generous offer of $2,000 was actually fair, and wanted to participate? This strikes me as just one more reason not to renew my GOM pass. Oh well, looks like they're making my decisions for me now, too! Not that I care. Been a loyal, paying fan since the beginning, but after one season of NASL game that were consistently higher quality than anything I've ever seen on GOM, even with the slightly duller bracket method, I'm a convert. Not to mention, I don't have to listen to moletrap anymore! Boxer isn't the only member of slayers  I get the feeling that boxer just needs a break. Guy gets so much shit, and yet performs so consistently amazing, while coaching a team and dating the most influential woman in starcraft. Sc2 association has no connections with Gom...lol The Korean committee is voluntary and all teams chose to join, to protect themselves and their players, so your portrayal of them seems to be extremely misinformed...perhaps you should learn about it before you form an opinion? Also according to the Korean committee and other teams they've said that 2000 dollars doesn't cover their expenses and the extra 1000 is coming out of the prize pool anyway, so I think they understand whether the offer is "generous" or not. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:37 Honeybadger wrote: This is pretty goddamn stupid. GOM doesn't get to bully around other tournaments. They're nowhere near influential enough for that. did all primary korean teams withdraw? Did they withdraw because of an overruling korean committee? What was the korean overlord's penalty to teams that decided the UNBELIEVABLY generous offer of $2,000 was actually fair, and wanted to participate? This strikes me as just one more reason not to renew my GOM pass. Oh well, looks like they're making my decisions for me now, too! Not that I care. Been a loyal, paying fan since the beginning, but after one season of NASL game that were consistently higher quality than anything I've ever seen on GOM, even with the slightly duller bracket method, I'm a convert. Not to mention, I don't have to listen to moletrap anymore! Boxer isn't the only member of slayers I get the feeling that boxer just needs a break. Guy gets so much shit, and yet performs so consistently amazing, while coaching a team and dating the most influential woman in starcraft. GOM has nothing to do with it, Mr Chae actually tried to get the teams to change their minds. NASL has repeatedly said they have a good relationship with them and appreciate all of Mr Chae's efforts, but unfortunately they didn't feel the need to update the OP with this information. >_>; | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
I am somewhat sad that they all pull out. Why not keep a couple Koreans in the NASL to take top 4? But having to get out of bed at 0400,(even if there are 2 Koreans playing, or are those games casted of replays?), might also be a factor. Oh well, sad news. | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:40 Heathen wrote: Why should the koreans get special treatment? When foreign players go to korea to compete, they get nothing. Should be the same when they go to outside tournaments. Actually they get free housing, which is quite a big deal. Also, the players who get placed in GSL via MLG's exchange program have airfare paid for. So yeah, you're pretty much wrong completely wrong. | ||
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lee365
United States448 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:36 dabom88 wrote: Boxer already stated that he wont be competing in Season 2. Awww, well this sucks. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:37 Honeybadger wrote: The big players in the Korean SC2 scene all have the BW history. This is pretty goddamn stupid. GOM doesn't get to bully around other tournaments. They're nowhere near influential enough for that. did all primary korean teams withdraw? Did they withdraw because of an overruling korean committee? What was the korean overlord's penalty to teams that decided the UNBELIEVABLY generous offer of $2,000 was actually fair, and wanted to participate? This strikes me as just one more reason not to renew my GOM pass. Oh well, looks like they're making my decisions for me now, too! Not that I care. Been a loyal, paying fan since the beginning, but after one season of NASL game that were consistently higher quality than anything I've ever seen on GOM, even with the slightly duller bracket method, I'm a convert. Not to mention, I don't have to listen to moletrap anymore! They're probably used to getting their way without question as far as international competition (as limited as it was in the BW days) goes. Even though NASL made incredibly accomodating offers, they wanted more still. In the end, everyone loses. Koreans lose out on the possibility to win big money, viewers lose great games and clashes, NASL loses viewers and appeal and has their scheduling completely fucked over. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:38 jmbthirteen wrote: Well considering some players have gotten it already, no I don't. There is a reason NASL put a 60 day period on it. who's gotten it back? I heard none of the koreans got it back and actually they have recieved pretty much no money for all the effort they provided to NASL so that they can sell the vod. I wouldn't jump into sign up for season 2 if I were them. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:38 theBizness wrote: Because GOM made this decision... Uh, think about two thousand dollars. Two. Thousand. Dollars. I researched flight costs. about $650 round trip. that's $1300 in pocket money, just for making it to the grand finals. I don't think you understand who gets to call the shots. It's the NASL's tournament. Not GOM's. They can kick and scream until the cows come home and it's still wrong for them to do that when an unbelievably generous offer is laid out right there in front of them, with no downsides. It's equivalent to a child throwing a temper tantrum because the toy his parents bought him for no real reason just wasn't big enough. Screw that. | ||
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:40 PHC wrote: That's the thing though, Koreans are even attending the grueling open brackets of MLG for only $5000 first prize, yet they are withdrawing from NASL's $40k first prize tournament. Something else is going on FOR SURE. NASL is a long term commitment that requires middle of the night matches (with lag) on a regular basis and can often times conflict with other tournaments. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:42 Honeybadger wrote: Uh, think about two thousand dollars. Two. Thousand. Dollars. I researched flight costs. about $650 round trip. that's $1300 in pocket money, just for making it to the grand finals. I don't think you understand who gets to call the shots. It's the NASL's tournament. Not GOM's. They can kick and scream until the cows come home and it's still wrong for them to do that when an unbelievably generous offer is laid out right there in front of them, with no downsides. It's equivalent to a child throwing a temper tantrum because the toy his parents bought him for no real reason just wasn't big enough. Screw that. $650 round trip? Where are you finding this... I can't find anything less than $1200 before fees. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
No but seriously that is a bit ridiculous... $2000 should be more than enough and they shouldn't have signed up for the league if they didn't accept the terms | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 12 2011 17:42 Ocedic wrote: Actually they get free housing, which is quite a big deal. Also, the players who get placed in GSL via MLG's exchange program have airfare paid for. So yeah, you're pretty much wrong completely wrong. the MLG exchange program, especially that code S slot, shouldn't be overlooked. It would be the equivalent of getting directly seeded into the NASL final tournament because you won a different, smaller and easier tourney. | ||
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