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On August 12 2011 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:43 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:41 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
From the information available they have been very forthcoming and tried to make things work for everyone. Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals. Competition needs to be fair no matter where you are from and one group of players cant expect to get special treatment. Then just pay for everyone's travel expenses then. why don't Korean teams just pay for their travel?
The Korean teams, for the most part, can't afford anything beyond running their team house and transporting their players to the GSL. These teams are not the equivalent to BW teams, or western multi-game organizations. They're very new teams with almost not sponsors or business experience.
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Wow,seems like every time i wake up on a beautiful morning there is a shit storm of a thread on TL brewing 90% of a time hahah.
So i ran through some pages and I still don't really understand why they are doing this.
What about MLG?Are agreeing there going to be similar terms as for NASL or not?They are even a 3 day event.
This looks so strange to me and more like this organization is doing everything to prevent players from coming over here,but why o_O?
I don't know man,I just woke up but I'm so confused right now.
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Again NASL already stated that all deposits and payments would be made within 60 days of the season ending and it HASN'T BEEN 60 days yet. And they have already payed some of the money out. So please stop with the whole OMG MONEY HASN'T BEEN PAID YET herp derp!! 60 days is a very standard time period for payments, go look at most contests and read the fine print and you'll see that they'll say please allow 2 months for delivery of whatever the prize is. 2 months=60 days
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On August 12 2011 16:48 Bear4188 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 16:43 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:41 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
From the information available they have been very forthcoming and tried to make things work for everyone. Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals. Competition needs to be fair no matter where you are from and one group of players cant expect to get special treatment. Then just pay for everyone's travel expenses then. why don't Korean teams just pay for their travel? The Korean teams, for the most part, can't afford anything beyond running their team house and transporting their players to the GSL. These teams are not the equivalent to BW teams, or western multi-game organizations. They're very new teams with almost not sponsors or business experience.
So they can't afford it. Well neither can NASL.
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On August 12 2011 16:46 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:36 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:27 PHILtheTANK wrote:On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Brian333 wrote:
I don't know how there are people that still don't get it.
NASL offers $1000 travel stipend and a $1000 minimum prize for top 16. The plane ticket and hotel costs alone are $2000+ meaning that they have to pay for some travel expenses themselves.
Koreans don't see it as a viable deal because they don't view months of pool play consisting of awkwardly scheduled games as a worthy investment of their time when you can actually lose your own money after fighting to a top 16 out of a sizable player pool and using another week of your time to travel abroad.
NASL refuses to / can't offer a larger travel stipend.
Compromise is not reached and Koreans withdraw. That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In season 1 the travel stipend was 500 dollars and the prize money for qualifying for the finals was also 500 dollars. NASL bought the tickets for the korean players, removing the ticket price(plus hotel/food/travel) of ~1650 dollars from the combined stipend and their prize winnings. This means that if you lost out in the first round players received 0 dollars, and NASL lost 650 dollars(which only happened with zenio). With the increased stipend and redistributed prize pool in season 2 players would be guaranteed 350 dollars after travel, just for making it there, while in season 1 no money was guaranteed for the players they bought tickets for. In what world is 350<0? Please do some research, or at least learn simple math before posting nonsense. People before you have already pointed out that the part of their expenses being paid is wrong. But no, you can't count that as "having lost 650". The 500 dollars of prize money is just that: prize money, something that was already going to be paid. The players just found that the NASL wasn't worth all the crap for just that amount. And nowhere did I say 350< 0. Learn reading comprehension before you post nonsense. You just don't get it do you. The NASL never offered to pay for all the players out of their own pockets, that's why they have teams, to send them to tournaments. What NASL did do was offer a substantial amount of money and increase their lower end prize pool to make sure nobody lost money on this, if the koreans didn't find it worth their time they shouldn't have played in qualifiers. And you said that it was the NASL who is trying to pay less than they did before which is a blatant lie, so maybe it is you who needs some reading comprehension.
Nope, still you. People have already pointed out that was an error on my part, don't need to bring that up again. And yes, your first paragraph on What NASL did do was offer a substantial amount of money and increase their lower end prize pool to make sure nobody lost money on this, if the koreans didn't find it worth their time they shouldn't have played in qualifiers is exactly what I said, so once again, I don't why you needed to repeat it.
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it's not like i need koreans to watch starcraft. we have plenty of skill, and there will be amazing games coming. cant wait
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On August 12 2011 16:44 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:27 PHILtheTANK wrote:On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Brian333 wrote:
I don't know how there are people that still don't get it.
NASL offers $1000 travel stipend and a $1000 minimum prize for top 16. The plane ticket and hotel costs alone are $2000+ meaning that they have to pay for some travel expenses themselves.
Koreans don't see it as a viable deal because they don't view months of pool play consisting of awkwardly scheduled games as a worthy investment of their time when you can actually lose your own money after fighting to a top 16 out of a sizable player pool and using another week of your time to travel abroad.
NASL refuses to / can't offer a larger travel stipend.
Compromise is not reached and Koreans withdraw. That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In season 1 the travel stipend was 500 dollars and the prize money for qualifying for the finals was also 500 dollars. NASL bought the tickets for the korean players, removing the ticket price(plus hotel/food/travel) of ~1650 dollars from the combined stipend and their prize winnings. This means that if you lost out in the first round players received 0 dollars, and NASL lost 650 dollars(which only happened with zenio). With the increased stipend and redistributed prize pool in season 2 players would be guaranteed 350 dollars after travel, just for making it there, while in season 1 no money was guaranteed for the players they bought tickets for. In what world is 350<0? Please do some research, or at least learn simple math before posting nonsense. NASL did not buy tickets for Korean players. The players themselves had to buy their own tickets. On top of that, there are claims that the security deposits from S1 aren't still returned back to the Koreans. See here. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=Hope someone translates this commentary for everyone to see - more fuel to already heated debate! Burn baby burn!!!!!
The NASL boughg tickets for koreans being paid back from the stipend and prize money to make it easy for the koreans. So yes the NASL bought the tickets just as a middleman for the koreans.
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On August 12 2011 16:49 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:48 Bear4188 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:On August 12 2011 16:43 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:41 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
From the information available they have been very forthcoming and tried to make things work for everyone. Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals. Competition needs to be fair no matter where you are from and one group of players cant expect to get special treatment. Then just pay for everyone's travel expenses then. why don't Korean teams just pay for their travel? The Korean teams, for the most part, can't afford anything beyond running their team house and transporting their players to the GSL. These teams are not the equivalent to BW teams, or western multi-game organizations. They're very new teams with almost not sponsors or business experience. So they can't afford it. Well neither can NASL.
this one line sums up the entire issue. neither can afford it. It's as simple as that. it sucks a lot, but it happens....
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On August 12 2011 16:49 TheKefka wrote:
Wow,seems like every time i wake up on a beautiful morning there is a shit storm of a thread on TL brewing 90% of a time hahah.
So i ran through some pages and I still don't really understand why they are doing this.
What about MLG?Are agreeing there going to be similar terms as for NASL or not?They are even a 3 day event.
This looks so strange to me and more like this organization is doing everything to prevent players from coming over here,but why o_O?
I don't know man,I just woke up but I'm so confused right now.
MLG has the exchange program. MLG/GSL covers the expense for the players sent on that program. Some others have come over with expenses covered by their sponsors (Boxer gave a special thanks to the CEO of Razer after last MLG for supporting him and his team). So MLG is doing exactly as the Korean's want and is therefore not the same situation as NASL.
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On August 12 2011 16:37 Volvograd12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:36 Defacer wrote:On August 12 2011 16:30 Volvograd12 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:26 lacho_u wrote:I feel that NASL is making everthing possible, good price pools trael accomodations and so on, koreans seems too greedy for me, so they can stay at code B and play for 50 $ best of luck to them  This reeks of arrogance. The dollar sign goes before the '50'. Yeah you're right, the Koreans are too greedy. 1/16 chance to win imaginary money? How long does it take to mail a check from America to Korea? 60 days right? Actually, If knew anything about accounting or managing the cash flow of a project 60 days is pretty normal, and only slightly longer than standard practice. Apparently, satire is invisible to those with low IQ's, I should had known better, forgive me. User was warned for this post
Actually, it's not satire, it's sarcasm.
You tried to use it to make a weak and condescending point that betrays your immaturity and lack of real life experience.
I merely clarified to you what is obvious to everyone else -- you're failing miserably.
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On August 12 2011 16:32 forgottendreams wrote:
So many shallow posts ignoring the bigger picture going on....
It's not about EG-Puma
It's not about "greedy Koreans" (as some people are ridiculously putting it)
It's not about travel expenses
It's about a hedgemony protecting their interests and remaining the two most important organizations. The GSL in Korea, the MLG in America which both are partnered by SC2Con who are doing the negotiations. Wake up...
If you think that this is because GSL is trying to protect their partnership with MLG, you really have no clue of how much effort GomTV puts out in terms of growing and expanding the doors of Star2 for the Korean pro teams and players.
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On August 12 2011 16:48 LuciferSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:46 PHILtheTANK wrote:On August 12 2011 16:36 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:27 PHILtheTANK wrote:On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Brian333 wrote:
I don't know how there are people that still don't get it.
NASL offers $1000 travel stipend and a $1000 minimum prize for top 16. The plane ticket and hotel costs alone are $2000+ meaning that they have to pay for some travel expenses themselves.
Koreans don't see it as a viable deal because they don't view months of pool play consisting of awkwardly scheduled games as a worthy investment of their time when you can actually lose your own money after fighting to a top 16 out of a sizable player pool and using another week of your time to travel abroad.
NASL refuses to / can't offer a larger travel stipend.
Compromise is not reached and Koreans withdraw. That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In season 1 the travel stipend was 500 dollars and the prize money for qualifying for the finals was also 500 dollars. NASL bought the tickets for the korean players, removing the ticket price(plus hotel/food/travel) of ~1650 dollars from the combined stipend and their prize winnings. This means that if you lost out in the first round players received 0 dollars, and NASL lost 650 dollars(which only happened with zenio). With the increased stipend and redistributed prize pool in season 2 players would be guaranteed 350 dollars after travel, just for making it there, while in season 1 no money was guaranteed for the players they bought tickets for. In what world is 350<0? Please do some research, or at least learn simple math before posting nonsense. People before you have already pointed out that the part of their expenses being paid is wrong. But no, you can't count that as "having lost 650". The 500 dollars of prize money is just that: prize money, something that was already going to be paid. The players just found that the NASL wasn't worth all the crap for just that amount. And nowhere did I say 350< 0. Learn reading comprehension before you post nonsense. You just don't get it do you. The NASL never offered to pay for all the players out of their own pockets, that's why they have teams, to send them to tournaments. What NASL did do was offer a substantial amount of money and increase their lower end prize pool to make sure nobody lost money on this, if the koreans didn't find it worth their time they shouldn't have played in qualifiers. And you said that it was the NASL who is trying to pay less than they did before which is a blatant lie, so maybe it is you who needs some reading comprehension. Apparently Koreans did raise objection to NASL, and both sides are at fault if anything for not reaching a mutual acceptance before the qualifiers ended.
Except that the koreans still played in the qualifiers, not issuing this ultimatum of theirs until they were over.
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To me this just sets off a lot of alarms about the situation for Korean teams. I knew they weren't in great shape, but not being able to afford roughly $650 and the deposit for their players just seems like they are in bad shape. How long can those teams sustain running like this? How long will their players be ok with these conditions?
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On August 12 2011 16:45 LuciferSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:43 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 12 2011 16:40 Kush74 wrote:
or Koreans who spent their own money to get there only to be surprised by fucking terrible tournament management and expensive security deposit which hasnt even been paid back to the players, and now NASL is asking for more security deposit which is a fucking joke to start with... you are asking pro gamers to pay security deposits?? all the walkovers and stuff is due to the terrible tournament management not due to the PLAYERS. lol Because a player who doesn't even notify the tournament that there is a problem and that they won't be making it is the tournament's fault? That's terrible team management, and deserves a fine. A security deposit is just that...a deposit. If you're good, you get it back. NASL is not past it's deadline to return the deposits, so I highly doubt that's the issue. Keep in mind you are addressing some guy's speculations about what the issue is, being presented as facts, not facts themselves. We haven't received an official statement from sc2con yet. No you are the one getting the facts wrong. Re-read the OP (NASL's statement). Koreans did demand a negotiation, to change the term of their accommodation. NASL did not meet/refuse to meet the demand. Therefore Koreans pulled out. There was no contract, and therefore no fine. If anything the wrongdoing's on NASL's side for not completing the negotiation before due.
No I have them right, you just don't understand them.
According to the guy, the issue that Koreans ALLEGEDLY (BOLD BOLD BOLD) have with the deposits is that season 1 deposits have not been refunded yet. This is made up crap, because NASL is within their time frame and is paying the deposits back (which they said earlier and listed names of people who can vouch). I highly doubt anyone would be angry over that.
The original purpose of the deposits is to make sure that players show up on time and to decrease walkovers. It is not poor management that a league has walkovers, as often times that results because players just fail to show up without any warning (PainUser). If a player fails to show up on time without warning, they are penalized. If they show up on time, the deposit is refunded at the end of the season. What's so hard to understand about that?
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Honestly, I think that's just gotten greedy. Teams should be paying for the travel expenses and accommodation. That's why they exist.
Not too happy to hear about this, but it does raise an interesting point that it'll open the door for more NA, European and Oceanic players to get their feet into the top ranks. As much as I liked NASL Season 1, it was still pretty much Korean dominated.
Hopefully in a few seasons, NASL will reach the point where the Koreans teams come back and put their own money on the table for travel and accommodation.
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On August 12 2011 16:50 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:46 PHILtheTANK wrote:On August 12 2011 16:36 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:27 PHILtheTANK wrote:On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Brian333 wrote:
I don't know how there are people that still don't get it.
NASL offers $1000 travel stipend and a $1000 minimum prize for top 16. The plane ticket and hotel costs alone are $2000+ meaning that they have to pay for some travel expenses themselves.
Koreans don't see it as a viable deal because they don't view months of pool play consisting of awkwardly scheduled games as a worthy investment of their time when you can actually lose your own money after fighting to a top 16 out of a sizable player pool and using another week of your time to travel abroad.
NASL refuses to / can't offer a larger travel stipend.
Compromise is not reached and Koreans withdraw. That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In season 1 the travel stipend was 500 dollars and the prize money for qualifying for the finals was also 500 dollars. NASL bought the tickets for the korean players, removing the ticket price(plus hotel/food/travel) of ~1650 dollars from the combined stipend and their prize winnings. This means that if you lost out in the first round players received 0 dollars, and NASL lost 650 dollars(which only happened with zenio). With the increased stipend and redistributed prize pool in season 2 players would be guaranteed 350 dollars after travel, just for making it there, while in season 1 no money was guaranteed for the players they bought tickets for. In what world is 350<0? Please do some research, or at least learn simple math before posting nonsense. People before you have already pointed out that the part of their expenses being paid is wrong. But no, you can't count that as "having lost 650". The 500 dollars of prize money is just that: prize money, something that was already going to be paid. The players just found that the NASL wasn't worth all the crap for just that amount. And nowhere did I say 350< 0. Learn reading comprehension before you post nonsense. You just don't get it do you. The NASL never offered to pay for all the players out of their own pockets, that's why they have teams, to send them to tournaments. What NASL did do was offer a substantial amount of money and increase their lower end prize pool to make sure nobody lost money on this, if the koreans didn't find it worth their time they shouldn't have played in qualifiers. And you said that it was the NASL who is trying to pay less than they did before which is a blatant lie, so maybe it is you who needs some reading comprehension. Nope, still you. People have already pointed out that was an error on my part, don't need to bring that up again. And yes, your first paragraph on What NASL did do was offer a substantial amount of money and increase their lower end prize pool to make sure nobody lost money on this, if the koreans didn't find it worth their time they shouldn't have played in qualifiers is exactly what I said, so once again, I don't why you needed to repeat it.
Dude like 2 posts ago u were still saying that they were paying less than last season. Also you put such a negative connotation on your words that you completely skew what you're saying against the NASL.
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On August 12 2011 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:43 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:41 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
From the information available they have been very forthcoming and tried to make things work for everyone. Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals. Competition needs to be fair no matter where you are from and one group of players cant expect to get special treatment. Then just pay for everyone's travel expenses then. why don't Korean teams just pay for their travel?
The example stated Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals.. Observe the context of the statement before responding to posts.
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Seems to me that the koreans did NOT sign the contract and yet NASL wanted to start the production of S2, quite a gamble and clearly it did not pan out as they had hoped.
Don't understand the need to find the "guilty" side in general, it's buissness, a point where both parties were satisfied could not be reached this time, deal with it.
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Sorry NASL...there goes your league  gl hf
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Why should we care if koreans come or not? Most NA players and EU are equally as talented and almost 100% of the koreans give very lame *by the book games* while NA and EU give the very delicate fun to-watch games.
More people should watch the NASL now and prove to the E-sports community that we don't need koreans to make it successful, koreans had BW because of its popularity, now NA and EU hold SCII and they maintain it.
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