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On August 12 2011 16:40 Kush74 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:32 forgottendreams wrote:
So many shallow posts ignoring the bigger picture going on....
It's not about EG-Puma
It's not about greedy Koreans
It's not about travel expenses
It's about a hedgemony protecting their interests and remaining the two most important organizations. The GSL in Korea, the MLG in America which both are partnered by SC2Con who are doing the negotiations. Wake up... greedy koreans? what makes you say that? whos being greedy here NASL which made huge amounts of money due to the koreans participating not willing to pay small amounts of money so that korean players can participate again. or Koreans who spent their own money to get there only to be surprised by fucking terrible tournament management and expensive security deposit which hasnt even been paid back to the players, and now NASL is asking for more security deposit which is a fucking joke to start with... you are asking pro gamers to pay security deposits?? all the walkovers and stuff is due to the terrible tournament management not due to the PLAYERS.
Didn't you just got banned?
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Please take a break until you can address this issue.
On August 12 2011 16:37 Volvograd12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:36 Defacer wrote:On August 12 2011 16:30 Volvograd12 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:26 lacho_u wrote:I feel that NASL is making everthing possible, good price pools trael accomodations and so on, koreans seems too greedy for me, so they can stay at code B and play for 50 $ best of luck to them  This reeks of arrogance. The dollar sign goes before the '50'. Yeah you're right, the Koreans are too greedy. 1/16 chance to win imaginary money? How long does it take to mail a check from America to Korea? 60 days right? Actually, If knew anything about accounting or managing the cash flow of a project 60 days is pretty normal, and only slightly longer than standard practice. Apparently, satire is invisible to those with low IQ's, I should had known better, forgive me. User was warned for this post
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On August 12 2011 16:30 HeIios wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:28 HolyArrow wrote:On August 12 2011 16:25 whateverpeeps wrote:On August 12 2011 16:10 Primadog wrote:On August 12 2011 16:07 LuciferSC wrote:If it is true that Koreans signed a contract with NASL, then they made a big boo boo by canceling that contract last minute. But by the word of them not having paid the deposit yet, I wonder if there actually was an established contract. On August 12 2011 16:00 Stiluz wrote:NASL's offer seemed very generous. It seems more like the Korean teams that withdrew almost didn't want to play  Very generous? I'd think not. For any sports, if they are to invite a top class player, it is very common for them to not only cover the travel & accommodation expense, but pay a big sum of guarantee on top of that. The fact that NASL isn't even fully covering their travel expense (don't give me that $2000 thingie.. NASL's only offering to cover up to $1000 out of their own pocket). NASL are inviting Koreans for the sake of raising their tournament's value & reputation.If they can't afford to provide transportation & accommodation for big number of Korean players coming over, then they should lower the number of invitations and be ready to host them properly & accordingly. Just want to make a note here that of the 14 players that managed qualified for season two, 12 are Koreans. The Koreans fought hard to get into NASL. Not to mention, that if you are a player and you qualify for a tournament and sign a contract, you should probably think twice about doing that if you or your team can't pay the full expense out of pocket, because that's your responsibility. Costs of food/lodging/travel fall on the player, whereas cost of area/studio/equipment/staff/prize pool fall on the tournament. If a tournament feels generous and offers to pay for food/lodging/travel, good for them, but it is NOT an obligation. Therefore, to provide those services cannot be anything but generous. The whole point of teams is to work on getting sponsors to make sure players have money so that they can focus their time on gaming. If the Korean teams are broke, then it's time they adopt different management. NASL gave a very generous offer that covers most, if not all, of the travel expenses. The committee refused it and didn't seem very interested in discussing it further. What can anyone do in that case? I think overall everybody is lucky that NASL is not suing them for breach of contract. NASL suing them would perhaps be the dumbest move I have seen in SC2 history. Such hilarious american mentality on display though. Come now, even Americans know that would be idiotic. Stupid is a multinational trait.
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On August 12 2011 16:40 Kush74 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:32 forgottendreams wrote:
So many shallow posts ignoring the bigger picture going on....
It's not about EG-Puma
It's not about greedy Koreans
It's not about travel expenses
It's about a hedgemony protecting their interests and remaining the two most important organizations. The GSL in Korea, the MLG in America which both are partnered by SC2Con who are doing the negotiations. Wake up... greedy koreans? what makes you say that? whos being greedy here NASL which made huge amounts of money due to the koreans participating not willing to pay small amounts of money so that korean players can participate again. or Koreans who spent their own money to get there only to be surprised by fucking terrible tournament management and expensive security deposit which hasnt even been paid back to the players, and now NASL is asking for more security deposit which is a fucking joke to start with... you are asking pro gamers to pay security deposits?? all the walkovers and stuff is due to the terrible tournament management not due to the PLAYERS.
I believe he is talking about other posters in this thread? Or I'm mistaken haha.
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On August 12 2011 16:38 Primadog wrote:
Ah, troll's ban. Peace.
Ultimately, the ones that hurt the most is the viewers. Hopefully something will be fixed for nasl s3. Sucks to see less Korean faces State-side.
I think it really hurts the Korean players too. They wouldn't have qualified for NASL if they didn't want to. NASL is a huge opportunity for them. Look at Puma. He was barely known before NASL.
On August 12 2011 16:38 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:36 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:32 forgottendreams wrote:
So many shallow posts ignoring the bigger picture going on....
It's not about EG-Puma
It's not about greedy Koreans
It's not about travel expenses
It's about a hedgemony protecting their interests and remaining the two most important organizations. The GSL in Korea, the MLG in America which both are partnered by SC2Con who are doing the negotiations. Wake up... Dude stop it already, to say GSL and MLG/Sundance have anything to do with this is ridiculous. Isn't Mr. Chae of GSL the spokeperson of the negotiations? I think you're extremely naive to think they both don't have a hand in this.
Well NASL has said Mr. Chae has been trying to help NASL and I have no good reason to believe otherwise.
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On August 12 2011 16:40 Kush74 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:32 forgottendreams wrote:
So many shallow posts ignoring the bigger picture going on....
It's not about EG-Puma
It's not about greedy Koreans
It's not about travel expenses
It's about a hedgemony protecting their interests and remaining the two most important organizations. The GSL in Korea, the MLG in America which both are partnered by SC2Con who are doing the negotiations. Wake up... greedy koreans? what makes you say that? whos being greedy here NASL which made huge amounts of money due to the koreans participating not willing to pay small amounts of money so that korean players can participate again.
I meant no offense to any Koreans, in fact I was satirizing people saying Koreans are just being greedy. I apologize and reworded my initial post.
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On August 12 2011 16:38 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:36 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:32 forgottendreams wrote:
So many shallow posts ignoring the bigger picture going on....
It's not about EG-Puma
It's not about greedy Koreans
It's not about travel expenses
It's about a hedgemony protecting their interests and remaining the two most important organizations. The GSL in Korea, the MLG in America which both are partnered by SC2Con who are doing the negotiations. Wake up... Dude stop it already, to say GSL and MLG/Sundance have anything to do with this is ridiculous. Isn't Mr. Chae of GSL the spokeperson of the negotiations? I think you're extremely naive to think they both don't have a hand in this.
Yeah and NASL already stated earlier in the thread how Mr Chae was working hard to convince SC2Con to change their minds and particpate in the league. NASL has no beef with him and I don't think they would have used him as the middle man if they had any thoughts that he might be working against them. I'm not naive but I also don't wear a hat made of tinfoil either.
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On August 12 2011 16:40 Kush74 wrote:
greedy koreans? what makes you say that?
whos being greedy here
NASL which made huge amounts of money due to the koreans participating not willing to pay small amounts of money so that korean players can participate again.
or Koreans who spent their own money to get there only to be surprised by fucking terrible tournament management and expensive security deposit which hasnt even been paid back to the players, and now NASL is asking for more security deposit which is a fucking joke to start with... you are asking pro gamers to pay security deposits?? all the walkovers and stuff is due to the terrible tournament management not due to the PLAYERS.
Koreans, who spent very little if anything of their own money to get there. Terrible tournament that EU/NA players all seemed to enjoy even if the production quality was rough.
Security deposit is likely required judging from walk overs of the first season. And that seemed entirely issues upon the players and their handlers making mistakes. 1 game a week is such an onerous task!
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On August 12 2011 16:40 Kush74 wrote:
or Koreans who spent their own money to get there only to be surprised by fucking terrible tournament management and expensive security deposit which hasnt even been paid back to the players, and now NASL is asking for more security deposit which is a fucking joke to start with... you are asking pro gamers to pay security deposits?? all the walkovers and stuff is due to the terrible tournament management not due to the PLAYERS.
lol Because a player who doesn't even notify the tournament that there is a problem and that they won't be making it is the tournament's fault?
That's terrible team management, and deserves a fine. A security deposit is just that...a deposit. If you're good, you get it back. NASL is not past it's deadline to return the deposits, so I highly doubt that's the issue.
Keep in mind you are addressing some guy's speculations about what the issue is, being presented as facts, not facts themselves. We haven't received an official statement from sc2con yet.
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On August 12 2011 16:41 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
From the information available they have been very forthcoming and tried to make things work for everyone. Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals. Competition needs to be fair no matter where you are from and one group of players cant expect to get special treatment.
Then just pay for everyone's travel expenses then.
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On August 12 2011 16:38 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:36 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:32 forgottendreams wrote:
So many shallow posts ignoring the bigger picture going on....
It's not about EG-Puma
It's not about greedy Koreans
It's not about travel expenses
It's about a hedgemony protecting their interests and remaining the two most important organizations. The GSL in Korea, the MLG in America which both are partnered by SC2Con who are doing the negotiations. Wake up... Dude stop it already, to say GSL and MLG/Sundance have anything to do with this is ridiculous. Isn't Mr. Chae of GSL the spokeperson of the negotiations? I think you're extremely naive to think they both don't have a hand in this.
Something everybody is missunderstanding. Mr. Chae is not the spokesperson of the negotiation.
Apparently he's just the message boy, as he can communicate in English.
(according to Korean sources)
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On August 12 2011 16:27 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Brian333 wrote:
I don't know how there are people that still don't get it.
NASL offers $1000 travel stipend and a $1000 minimum prize for top 16. The plane ticket and hotel costs alone are $2000+ meaning that they have to pay for some travel expenses themselves.
Koreans don't see it as a viable deal because they don't view months of pool play consisting of awkwardly scheduled games as a worthy investment of their time when you can actually lose your own money after fighting to a top 16 out of a sizable player pool and using another week of your time to travel abroad.
NASL refuses to / can't offer a larger travel stipend.
Compromise is not reached and Koreans withdraw. That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In season 1 the travel stipend was 500 dollars and the prize money for qualifying for the finals was also 500 dollars. NASL bought the tickets for the korean players, removing the ticket price(plus hotel/food/travel) of ~1650 dollars from the combined stipend and their prize winnings. This means that if you lost out in the first round players received 0 dollars, and NASL lost 650 dollars(which only happened with zenio). With the increased stipend and redistributed prize pool in season 2 players would be guaranteed 350 dollars after travel, just for making it there, while in season 1 no money was guaranteed for the players they bought tickets for. In what world is 350<0? Please do some research, or at least learn simple math before posting nonsense.
NASL did not buy tickets for Korean players. The players themselves had to buy their own tickets. On top of that, there are claims that the security deposits from S1 aren't still returned back to the Koreans.
See here.
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=
Hope someone translates this commentary for everyone to see - more fuel to already heated debate! Burn baby burn!!!!!
User was temp banned for this post.
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Translated, and directly contradicts statements by NASL. So umm, debunked.
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On August 12 2011 16:31 Slider954 wrote:
@jmbthirteen I really think you and I are the only ones that seem to have a problem with, not their reasons for doing what they did, but with their TIMING of when they did it.
That's not true. I agree with you.
What's obvious is that it's going to be a while before teams from either side of ocean can afford to send players to international tournaments without substantial concessions or subsidies from the organizers. OGS can't afford to send 5 or more players to the states, anymore than EG can afford to send 5 or more players to Dreamhack.
We just have to wait until the scene matures. If Koreans seriously want to play in American tournaments, they're either going to need to be on stronger, well-sponsored teams or join a foreign team willing to support them.
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On August 12 2011 16:43 whateverpeeps wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:40 Kush74 wrote:
or Koreans who spent their own money to get there only to be surprised by fucking terrible tournament management and expensive security deposit which hasnt even been paid back to the players, and now NASL is asking for more security deposit which is a fucking joke to start with... you are asking pro gamers to pay security deposits?? all the walkovers and stuff is due to the terrible tournament management not due to the PLAYERS. lol Because a player who doesn't even notify the tournament that there is a problem and that they won't be making it is the tournament's fault? That's terrible team management, and deserves a fine. A security deposit is just that...a deposit. If you're good, you get it back. NASL is not past it's deadline to return the deposits, so I highly doubt that's the issue. Keep in mind you are addressing some guy's speculations about what the issue is, being presented as facts, not facts themselves. We haven't received an official statement from sc2con yet.
No you are the one getting the facts wrong.
Re-read the OP (NASL's statement).
Koreans did demand a negotiation, to change the term of their accommodation.
NASL did not meet/refuse to meet the demand.
Therefore Koreans pulled out.
There was no contract, and therefore no fine.
If anything the wrongdoing's on NASL's side for not completing the negotiation before due.
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On August 12 2011 16:43 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:41 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
From the information available they have been very forthcoming and tried to make things work for everyone. Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals. Competition needs to be fair no matter where you are from and one group of players cant expect to get special treatment. Then just pay for everyone's travel expenses then.
why don't Korean teams just pay for their travel?
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feels bad .
This isnt all doom and gloom these teams arent every korean player so there still we be some korean talent in the tourny and i guess in a way it means the foreigners are going to have a better time in it which is good or bad depending on how you look at it.
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On August 12 2011 16:36 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:27 PHILtheTANK wrote:On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Brian333 wrote:
I don't know how there are people that still don't get it.
NASL offers $1000 travel stipend and a $1000 minimum prize for top 16. The plane ticket and hotel costs alone are $2000+ meaning that they have to pay for some travel expenses themselves.
Koreans don't see it as a viable deal because they don't view months of pool play consisting of awkwardly scheduled games as a worthy investment of their time when you can actually lose your own money after fighting to a top 16 out of a sizable player pool and using another week of your time to travel abroad.
NASL refuses to / can't offer a larger travel stipend.
Compromise is not reached and Koreans withdraw. That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In season 1 the travel stipend was 500 dollars and the prize money for qualifying for the finals was also 500 dollars. NASL bought the tickets for the korean players, removing the ticket price(plus hotel/food/travel) of ~1650 dollars from the combined stipend and their prize winnings. This means that if you lost out in the first round players received 0 dollars, and NASL lost 650 dollars(which only happened with zenio). With the increased stipend and redistributed prize pool in season 2 players would be guaranteed 350 dollars after travel, just for making it there, while in season 1 no money was guaranteed for the players they bought tickets for. In what world is 350<0? Please do some research, or at least learn simple math before posting nonsense. People before you have already pointed out that the part of their expenses being paid is wrong. But no, you can't count that as "having lost 650". The 500 dollars of prize money is just that: prize money, something that was already going to be paid. The players just found that the NASL wasn't worth all the crap for just that amount. And nowhere did I say 350< 0. Learn reading comprehension before you post nonsense.
You just don't get it do you. The NASL never offered to pay for all the players out of their own pockets, that's why they have teams, to send them to tournaments. What NASL did do was offer a substantial amount of money and increase their lower end prize pool to make sure nobody lost money on this, if the koreans didn't find it worth their time they shouldn't have played in qualifiers.
And you said that it was the NASL who is trying to pay less than they did before which is a blatant lie, so maybe it is you who needs some reading comprehension.
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On August 12 2011 16:44 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:27 PHILtheTANK wrote:On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Brian333 wrote:
I don't know how there are people that still don't get it.
NASL offers $1000 travel stipend and a $1000 minimum prize for top 16. The plane ticket and hotel costs alone are $2000+ meaning that they have to pay for some travel expenses themselves.
Koreans don't see it as a viable deal because they don't view months of pool play consisting of awkwardly scheduled games as a worthy investment of their time when you can actually lose your own money after fighting to a top 16 out of a sizable player pool and using another week of your time to travel abroad.
NASL refuses to / can't offer a larger travel stipend.
Compromise is not reached and Koreans withdraw. That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In season 1 the travel stipend was 500 dollars and the prize money for qualifying for the finals was also 500 dollars. NASL bought the tickets for the korean players, removing the ticket price(plus hotel/food/travel) of ~1650 dollars from the combined stipend and their prize winnings. This means that if you lost out in the first round players received 0 dollars, and NASL lost 650 dollars(which only happened with zenio). With the increased stipend and redistributed prize pool in season 2 players would be guaranteed 350 dollars after travel, just for making it there, while in season 1 no money was guaranteed for the players they bought tickets for. In what world is 350<0? Please do some research, or at least learn simple math before posting nonsense. NASL did not buy tickets for Korean players. The players themselves had to buy their own tickets. On top of that, there are claims that the security deposits from S1 aren't still returned back to the Koreans. See here. http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=736266&board=&category=13439&subcategory=&page=1&best=&searchmode=&search=&orderby=&token=Hope someone translates this commentary for everyone to see - more fuel to already heated debate! Burn baby burn!!!!!
...Uh, that's not true.
And you are repeatedly corrected, as is the article, yet for some reason you feel compelled to spam it. Did you write it or something? It's bull crap. It's not an official statement, makes no sense, is sensationalist, and has not a shred of proof. If half of what the article alleges is true, we would have heard from it, not just form the Koreans, but from the EU players, who are all satisfied and happy to return to NASL.
As are most of the Korean players, had they not been banned from playing by a committee who no one is sure what they're trying to achieve because what they're doing makes no sense.
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On August 12 2011 16:43 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:41 dignitasNewmaN wrote:
From the information available they have been very forthcoming and tried to make things work for everyone. Obviously they cant pay for the travel of Koreans specifically without doing the exact same thing for everyone else flying in to the grand finals. Competition needs to be fair no matter where you are from and one group of players cant expect to get special treatment. Then just pay for everyone's travel expenses then.
That would be amazing but NASL can't afford that unfortunately.
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On August 12 2011 16:46 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 16:36 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 16:27 PHILtheTANK wrote:On August 12 2011 13:20 dabom88 wrote:On August 12 2011 13:16 windsupernova wrote:On August 12 2011 12:46 Slider954 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:38 Brian333 wrote:On August 12 2011 12:13 Saraf wrote:On August 12 2011 12:10 Brian333 wrote:
I don't know how there are people that still don't get it.
NASL offers $1000 travel stipend and a $1000 minimum prize for top 16. The plane ticket and hotel costs alone are $2000+ meaning that they have to pay for some travel expenses themselves.
Koreans don't see it as a viable deal because they don't view months of pool play consisting of awkwardly scheduled games as a worthy investment of their time when you can actually lose your own money after fighting to a top 16 out of a sizable player pool and using another week of your time to travel abroad.
NASL refuses to / can't offer a larger travel stipend.
Compromise is not reached and Koreans withdraw. That is factually inaccurate. Plane ticket and hotel+local transportation for S1 were $1650 per player (posted by the NASL.tv account), and I feel like the OP ought to be edited to note that $2000 in guaranteed money covers all costs associated with going. Apparently, you missed my earlier post. You know why the OP should not do that? Because it's deceptively disingenuous and biased to try and tack that price onto the trip. The cost of plane tickets swings wildly depending on when you book it and how long in advance you book it. If I were to try and jump on a plane on Monday from Incheon International Airport to LAX, it would cost me nearly $3500 before taxes for a non-refundable multiple stop round-trip economy class ticket. Go check for yourself on the United Airlines website. Realistically speaking, booking about a month in advance during off-season will drop that price to $1200 before taxes. Still more than their travel stipend. And, that's assuming that the player can even book his flight a month in advance as if there is some guarantee that he will still be going a month later (there is none). Refundable tickets are significantly more expensive and I do not know the policies on canceling reservations beyond the 24-hour cut off but I have a suspicion it's not cheap. Booking a week in advance brings it up to $1600 before taxes. Brian, don't know if you saw this post earlier from the NASL poster , going to assume you missed it: I can answer this question. We paid for Korean players to come to NASL Season 1. We bought tickets for MC, PuMa, Zenio, and Squirtle. We paid $1,192 for each ticket. The hotel cost was $353 for the entire event. Travel cost was about $80 per person (shuttle service to and from). This averages out about $1650, factoring in meals ($50 per day even) ... giving each player $2,000 should cover that.The 2k they offered was more than enough then and I don't see why it would be any different for season 2. I don´t get it then, if the whole paying for travelling expenses and hotel and food was less money than the 2k offered then why didn´t the NASL offered to pay their travel? Did I understand this post wrong? It's not $2000, it's $1000. It's $1000 travel stipend. NASL is offering to them that they'll change their prize structure around so that $1000 prize is guaranteed for making it into the top 16 and asking the Koreans to pay out the rest of their expenses out of that guaranteed $1000. It's definitely NASL that's trying to pay less than they did last time. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. In season 1 the travel stipend was 500 dollars and the prize money for qualifying for the finals was also 500 dollars. NASL bought the tickets for the korean players, removing the ticket price(plus hotel/food/travel) of ~1650 dollars from the combined stipend and their prize winnings. This means that if you lost out in the first round players received 0 dollars, and NASL lost 650 dollars(which only happened with zenio). With the increased stipend and redistributed prize pool in season 2 players would be guaranteed 350 dollars after travel, just for making it there, while in season 1 no money was guaranteed for the players they bought tickets for. In what world is 350<0? Please do some research, or at least learn simple math before posting nonsense. People before you have already pointed out that the part of their expenses being paid is wrong. But no, you can't count that as "having lost 650". The 500 dollars of prize money is just that: prize money, something that was already going to be paid. The players just found that the NASL wasn't worth all the crap for just that amount. And nowhere did I say 350< 0. Learn reading comprehension before you post nonsense. You just don't get it do you. The NASL never offered to pay for all the players out of their own pockets, that's why they have teams, to send them to tournaments. What NASL did do was offer a substantial amount of money and increase their lower end prize pool to make sure nobody lost money on this, if the koreans didn't find it worth their time they shouldn't have played in qualifiers. And you said that it was the NASL who is trying to pay less than they did before which is a blatant lie, so maybe it is you who needs some reading comprehension.
Apparently Koreans did raise objection to NASL, and both sides are at fault if anything for not reaching a mutual acceptance before the qualifiers ended.
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