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On July 14 2011 23:23 ru.meta wrote:It's funny to see that such simple thing considered by someones as "cheat". Actually I've made a tool with much more overlays / sounds. After first wave people finally stopped to yell "cheat". Please, read EULA first and only then make decision. +1 for you zergrushkekeke
Your tool looks much more complex and better polished, I am still a little suspicious of executables from Russia :D I am sort of interested in your source code, but studying C# sounds way too much like work for me. This method was kept simple so anyone could set it up, change the settings to whatever they wanted and hopefully learn something in the process.
Maekchu I don't think it needs a "use at own risk", its a batch file that opens an image viewer once every 12 seconds. This is no different to any application on my PC starting up.
As many people have said at higher levels this tool is not as useful, harassment and build orders that cut workers will have the timer go out of sync, but later in the game when you can afford to queue units it can be marginally helpful again.
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Pretty sure figuring out when to build your stuff is part of the game. Have fun using this as a crutch and getting worse at the game I guess
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On July 15 2011 00:04 Alejandrisha wrote:
Pretty sure figuring out when to build your stuff is part of the game. Have fun using this as a crutch and getting worse at the game I guess
I rather disappointed in this comment as I respect your posts a lot. The point of a tool like this is to help build memory, not to be depended on.
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On July 15 2011 00:04 Alejandrisha wrote:
Pretty sure figuring out when to build your stuff is part of the game. Have fun using this as a crutch and getting worse at the game I guess
Are coaches a crutch?
No?
Neither is this. It's a tool. A tool like this isn't the same as a drug, you can operate just fine without it. Once you've gained the benefits of it.
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On July 15 2011 00:01 zergrushkekeke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 23:23 ru.meta wrote:It's funny to see that such simple thing considered by someones as "cheat". Actually I've made a tool with much more overlays / sounds. After first wave people finally stopped to yell "cheat". Please, read EULA first and only then make decision. +1 for you zergrushkekeke Maekchu I don't think it needs a "use at own risk", its a batch file that opens an image viewer once every 12 seconds. This is no different to any application on my PC starting up.
It's more because there is a great deal of uncertainty whether Blizzard would classify this as a cheat or not. Going through the EULA, we came to the conclusion that it all depends on the interpretation, since it basically could be both depending on definitions of terms.
So I just figured, it might be a good idea, just to put it there. So people are aware that, if Blizzard classify this as a cheat and is able to discover its use, there might be a risk of them getting suspended from the game.
I don't bash your idea. I like the idea of a "coach" program. Some players might see it useful, but as said before, I support the idea of a custom map over this, since an overlay is a bit of a grey area. It would only be cleared up, if Blizzard would give us an official response on this issue.
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On July 15 2011 00:16 Maekchu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 00:01 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 14 2011 23:23 ru.meta wrote:It's funny to see that such simple thing considered by someones as "cheat". Actually I've made a tool with much more overlays / sounds. After first wave people finally stopped to yell "cheat". Please, read EULA first and only then make decision. +1 for you zergrushkekeke Maekchu I don't think it needs a "use at own risk", its a batch file that opens an image viewer once every 12 seconds. This is no different to any application on my PC starting up. It's more because there is a great deal of uncertainty whether Blizzard would classify this as a cheat or not. Going through the EULA, we came to the conclusion that it all depends on the interpretation, since it basically could be both depending on definitions of terms. So I just figured, it might be a good idea, just to put it there. So people are aware that, if Blizzard classify this as a cheat and is able to discover its use, there might be a risk of them getting suspended from the game. I don't bash your idea. I like the idea of a "coach" program. Some players might see it useful, but as said before, I support the idea of a custom map over this, since an overlay is a bit of a grey area. It would only be cleared up, if Blizzard would give us an official respond on this issue.
It's really outside the realms of possibility that blizzard starts banning people for having paint open whilst they play sc2 lol.
Nvm that it breaks laws for them to even scan your PC for things outside of the sc2 process itself.
There's much bigger issues than having paint open to remind you of things, when we've got external mapshacks that have gone undetected for the last 5-6 months T_T. -> these could be being used in online cash tournaments every day. And if the past + human nature is anything to go by, we're definitely rooting for some cheaters every now and then.
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I suppose I am just old-fashioned then  I guess having it on for a new player playing vs AI to help get the feel for how long scvs take to make (and queens/nexi to generate x energy) etc. would be beneficial. Usually I'm spamming through all my production facilities so this seems really weird and superfluous to me but I guess for a newer player it could be good.
Perhaps once people start training with it we can get some feedback!
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On July 15 2011 00:37 Alejandrisha wrote:
Usually I'm spamming through all my production facilities so this seems really weird and superfluous to me but I guess for a newer player it could be good.
Perhaps once people start training with it we can get some feedback!
I do the same, and have a decent feel for the timings of units and buildings. However my minimap checking habit easily falls apart if I'm not entirely comfortable, and I look forward to trying this out for a reminder.
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I thought the overlays such as raidcall and steam interacted in a different way to this overlay but I am not 100 % sure of that so a'use at own risk' has been added. I used it on a ladder game (which I lost to a protoss with mad feedbacks and storms) so if i get ban hammered I will let you know.
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This will get you banned.
You deserve it.
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On July 15 2011 00:52 zergrushkekeke wrote:
I thought the overlays such as raidcall and steam interacted in a different way to this overlay but I am not 100 % sure of that so a'use at own risk' has been added. I used it on a ladder game (which I lost to a protoss with mad feedbacks and storms) so if i get ban hammered I will let you know.
Raidcall got a number of people banned because it affected how the game's rendering process worked... It actually modified the game in a small way, and THAT is what caused the bans.
A regular overlay like this won't get you banned and is completely risk-free. It is a bit of a crutch, in my opinion. If it helps you improve your worker production, great, though.
People saying this is risky and can get you banned are ignorant to how Raidcall worked. Please read up on this before throwing out your uninformed opinion...
I don't think I'd want to use this problem based completely on the fact that you are reacting to something not normally present in the game. The worker built notification on the left side of the screen or the sound of "SCV ready" are better things to base your mechanical reactions off of, IMO.
Still, great work making a simple tool that works for you.
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On July 15 2011 01:46 Grapefruit wrote:
This will get you banned.
You deserve it.
Completely wrong, but hey, you had a 50/50 chance right?
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I wouldn't agree if someone was going to be using this on ladder or in a tournament, but in custom games where there is NOTHING on the line (read ladder is not nothing, it has points) such as a custom, I think it is a really nice way to help build mechanics quickly as you can start to predict and internalize timings.
EDIT: Messed up wording.
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On July 15 2011 04:44 Charger wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 01:46 Grapefruit wrote:
This will get you banned.
You deserve it. Completely wrong, but hey, you had a 50/50 chance right?
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.html
Additional License Limitations.
The license granted to you in Section 1 above is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights in and to the Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience, including without limitation, mods that violate the terms of this License Agreement or the Terms of Use;
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This is practically automation, so it's classified as a cheating tool.
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On July 15 2011 07:54 holycrapitsTony wrote:
This is practically automation, so it's classified as a cheating tool.
Wouldn't it be almost a cheating tool if its practically automation.
I agree that the in game prompts should be used, but this is just a more obvious thing to react to, as there is a lot of stuff going on and when your dudes are shooting stuff it is hard to remember to macro. Also by changing the script a bit you could have it remind you to do stuff like when to build pylons, what time to think about expanding or attacking.
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It's hax and should be banned.
It is clearly meant to give you an advantage. It may not modify the game itself, but neither does an autohotkey larva inject script and you probably wouldn't allow that.
That said, I don't see any way for Blizzard to detect it, so...
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On July 15 2011 07:48 Grapefruit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 04:44 Charger wrote:On July 15 2011 01:46 Grapefruit wrote:
This will get you banned.
You deserve it. Completely wrong, but hey, you had a 50/50 chance right? http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.htmlShow nested quote +Additional License Limitations.
The license granted to you in Section 1 above is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the “License Limitations”). Any use of the Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard’s copyrights in and to the Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
Use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Game experience, including without limitation, mods that violate the terms of this License Agreement or the Terms of Use;
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It changes the game experiance, therefor it is against the rules.
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ask blizz before you do this. an overlay is an overlay, i would be careful of using this.
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