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On July 16 2011 13:14 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 19:29 Rannasha wrote:
To all those who call "cheat": I don't see how this is any different than setting up an alarm-clock / cellphone to sound a beep every 12 seconds. In fact, a beep is probably preferable since it doesn't obstruct the screen.
Nevertheless, the preferred way is to just learn to do it without external aids. So set up an alarm clock external from the game. Why mess with this shit.
This is an alarm clock external from the game, how external do you have to go for it to be legitimate in your mind?
The grey area from lightest to darkest goes:
an external device sitting in your room like a mobile phone or a metronome
a webpage or a program that makes a ding noise,
a second monitor that has some program running on it
an overlay on top of the game client
some type of hardware input to your PC (macro keyboard type stuff)
then rendering the clock in game with directX hooks.
This system seems pretty easy to setup, use and change.
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On July 16 2011 13:47 zergrushkekeke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:14 AndAgain wrote:On July 14 2011 19:29 Rannasha wrote:
To all those who call "cheat": I don't see how this is any different than setting up an alarm-clock / cellphone to sound a beep every 12 seconds. In fact, a beep is probably preferable since it doesn't obstruct the screen.
Nevertheless, the preferred way is to just learn to do it without external aids. So set up an alarm clock external from the game. Why mess with this shit. This is an alarm clock external from the game, how external do you have to go for it to be legitimate in your mind? The grey area from lightest to darkest goes: an external device sitting in your room like a mobile phone or a metronome a webpage or a program that makes a ding noise, a second monitor that has some program running on it an overlay on top of the game client some type of hardware input to your PC (macro keyboard type stuff) then rendering the clock in game with directX hooks. This system seems pretty easy to setup, use and change.
External from the game without hooks...yeah. It does however...come into the game via always on top to interact with your game experience. It is a 3rd party "program" that helps (obviously not at the highest levels of play since you should be hitting injects almost perfectly).
I'm not against the use of this on a map where people know you have it (custom map with this built in) but I just rather ladder have 2 people without any type of coach or help behind them. I do think the people freaking out about it should relax, but at the same time I would like for you to e-mail and ask permission from blizzard if it is crossing the line or not. I would think they would say it is.
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On July 16 2011 13:42 freakhill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:39 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:10 freakhill wrote:
If something is clearly forbidden during tournaments there is no moral justification to use it on ladder So how do you feel about walling off at the bottom of the ramp? You can't do that at a lot of competitions as they have edited in those sunken depots, but I am sure if you ran into a terran that put a depot + bunker at the bottom of his ramp you would yell for a ban. This makes no sense, It is plain and simple not the same map.
I made my point which was there are rules at tournaments that do not apply online, that are either un enforceable (online coaching) or just shouldn't matter (playing music, or running a program in the background while laddering).
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On July 16 2011 13:42 reneg wrote:
While i'm sure the initial purpose of this is noble and to help players better themselves at a rate faster than they would normally achieve on their own, i can't help but express dismay at its existence.
I personally don't approve of this, and don't think it should be used, however, if someone else feels like they want it / need it, and are willing to run the risk of blizzard scanning their running processes and getting caught and banned,
then by all means, continue.
Man so much restraint required..
You will not "risk a ban" for opening a .jpg
Goodness gracious people love to talk a lot of rubbish!
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I don't think it is going to help that much, most lower league players would be too focusing onto what is going on with the screen rather than mini map, mineral etc
it's not like any extra indicators would really change their habits anyway
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On July 16 2011 13:53 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:47 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:14 AndAgain wrote:On July 14 2011 19:29 Rannasha wrote:
To all those who call "cheat": I don't see how this is any different than setting up an alarm-clock / cellphone to sound a beep every 12 seconds. In fact, a beep is probably preferable since it doesn't obstruct the screen.
Nevertheless, the preferred way is to just learn to do it without external aids. So set up an alarm clock external from the game. Why mess with this shit. This is an alarm clock external from the game, how external do you have to go for it to be legitimate in your mind? The grey area from lightest to darkest goes: an external device sitting in your room like a mobile phone or a metronome a webpage or a program that makes a ding noise, a second monitor that has some program running on it an overlay on top of the game client some type of hardware input to your PC (macro keyboard type stuff) then rendering the clock in game with directX hooks. This system seems pretty easy to setup, use and change. External from the game without hooks...yeah. It does however...come into the game via always on top to interact with your game experience. It is a 3rd party "program" that helps (obviously not at the highest levels of play since you should be hitting injects almost perfectly). I'm not against the use of this on a map where people know you have it (custom map with this built in) but I just rather ladder have 2 people without any type of coach or help behind them. I do think the people freaking out about it should relax, but at the same time I would like for you to e-mail and ask permission from blizzard if it is crossing the line or not. I would think they would say it is.
Windows Task Manager also comes into the game via anyways on top, and its already hotkeyed to ctrl + alt + delete. You could put your build order into a bunch of silly named tasks and use this to help you at SC2.
I'm not going to try asking blizzard as there would be nothing helpful they could say, they couldn't really confirm or deny if this would be picked up by warden as then they are admitting to some serious PC snooping, or telling real hackers what the wardens limitations are.
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On July 16 2011 14:03 zergrushkekeke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:53 Demonace34 wrote:On July 16 2011 13:47 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:14 AndAgain wrote:On July 14 2011 19:29 Rannasha wrote:
To all those who call "cheat": I don't see how this is any different than setting up an alarm-clock / cellphone to sound a beep every 12 seconds. In fact, a beep is probably preferable since it doesn't obstruct the screen.
Nevertheless, the preferred way is to just learn to do it without external aids. So set up an alarm clock external from the game. Why mess with this shit. This is an alarm clock external from the game, how external do you have to go for it to be legitimate in your mind? The grey area from lightest to darkest goes: an external device sitting in your room like a mobile phone or a metronome a webpage or a program that makes a ding noise, a second monitor that has some program running on it an overlay on top of the game client some type of hardware input to your PC (macro keyboard type stuff) then rendering the clock in game with directX hooks. This system seems pretty easy to setup, use and change. External from the game without hooks...yeah. It does however...come into the game via always on top to interact with your game experience. It is a 3rd party "program" that helps (obviously not at the highest levels of play since you should be hitting injects almost perfectly). I'm not against the use of this on a map where people know you have it (custom map with this built in) but I just rather ladder have 2 people without any type of coach or help behind them. I do think the people freaking out about it should relax, but at the same time I would like for you to e-mail and ask permission from blizzard if it is crossing the line or not. I would think they would say it is. Windows Task Manager also comes into the game via anyways on top, and its already hotkeyed to ctrl + alt + delete. You could put your build order into a bunch of silly named tasks and use this to help you at SC2. I'm not going to try asking blizzard as there would be nothing helpful they could say, they couldn't really confirm or deny if this would be picked up by warden as then they are admitting to some serious PC snooping, or telling real hackers what the wardens limitations are.
Hmm, set windows media player to always on top, create a build order playlist.. attract "ban the cheater" posts on TL! :D
Hmm or better yet..
"use basic windows functionality for its intended purposes"
[picture]
"careful dude blizz might ban u"
Could be a new meme? :O.
anyway, i promise i wont post again in this thread lol.
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One step ahead of you :D
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3vUZ2.jpg)
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On July 16 2011 14:23 zergrushkekeke wrote:One step ahead of you :D
Wtf is that real lol?
1) Not that hard to memorize up to 16 supply.
2) 2005 minerals at 10 minutes into the game.
3) you could just write it down on a piece of paper and tape it to the screen.
I can't make up my mind which of these is most ridiculous.
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This 'helper' will absolutely get you banned.
Under no circumstances what so ever can you use files that interact with the SC2 interface or code in any way shape or form.
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On July 16 2011 15:24 Nerski wrote:
This 'helper' will absolutely get you banned.
Under no circumstances what so ever can you use files that interact with the SC2 interface or code in any way shape or form.
Then it's a good thing they don't do that. They interact with the interface on a different layer which is the same as effectively not interacting with it at all, at least in a sense that they aren't working directly together.
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On July 16 2011 15:24 Nerski wrote:
This 'helper' will absolutely get you banned.
Under no circumstances what so ever can you use files that interact with the SC2 interface or code in any way shape or form.
Blizzard will never ban you for this application. The application does not affect the game and does not give unfair benefits. A similar idea underlies the 'Probe' from sc2drill.com. To practice their skills and builds, it is used a lot of players for several months. No one has been banned.
2 zergrushkekeke: Well done!
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On July 16 2011 08:45 zergrushkekeke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 05:39 Eknoid4 wrote:
Now imagine if you'd practiced starcraft instead of figuring out innovative new ways to do well without getting better This took me like an hour at work to write up and maybe a few more minutes at home to get the position and image size right. I've probably spent more time reading this thread than writing the scripts.
Now imagine if you'd practiced starcraft instead of figuring out innovative new ways to tell me why you don't need to practice starcraft to get better at starcraft
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On July 16 2011 16:36 Eknoid4 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 08:45 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 05:39 Eknoid4 wrote:
Now imagine if you'd practiced starcraft instead of figuring out innovative new ways to do well without getting better This took me like an hour at work to write up and maybe a few more minutes at home to get the position and image size right. I've probably spent more time reading this thread than writing the scripts. Now imagine if you'd practiced starcraft instead of figuring out innovative new ways to tell me why you don't need to practice starcraft to get better at starcraft
I like you your funny :D
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Alright, there are a lot of people with conflicting opinions in this thread, so i've decided to input my own. First off, people are acting like if he uses this he will win no matter what. That is not true. Just because he gets reminded to build an scv doesnt mean he'll win. A third party program aids the user, but does not guarantee success. It all comes down to mechanics. If he remembers to build scvs, that's great. But is he remembering to look at the minimap? Is he remembering to expand? Is he remembering to scout? Maybe, but if he is outmatched by the other player, no third party program will help him win. This program will help him learn timings. That is it. He will use it, get used to making scvs, and stop using it. If he continues to use it after a month or two, then it wont be helping him. He will form a habit of only building scvs when the program tells him to. If he wishes to succeed, he will practice building scvs with his program then stop. Honestly, all this program is doing is reminding him to do something that could so easily have been overlooked. It's pretty much the same as putting a sticky note on the side of your monitor saying "Build SCVs." The only difference is that it pops up on screen. Sure, this could be viewed as cheating, but since it isnt directly tweaking the game itself, it isnt a bannable offense. And it would be impossible to report him for hacking because there is no visible proof of him using this program in a match. Sure, people could report him, but it would most likely say "uh, he beat me, so i think he was using some sort of hack. it's the only way he could've beaten me. he was such a noob."
In Conclusion, this program only helps with one aspect of the game. There are so many parts to this game, so a little help in one will only make a small difference. He could just learn the timings from playing a lot of games, but a little coaching never hurt anyone.
Also, I am in no way endorsing cheating with this post. I am merely stating that he is using a tool to get better at something he loves doing.
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On July 16 2011 14:03 zergrushkekeke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:53 Demonace34 wrote:On July 16 2011 13:47 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:14 AndAgain wrote:On July 14 2011 19:29 Rannasha wrote:
To all those who call "cheat": I don't see how this is any different than setting up an alarm-clock / cellphone to sound a beep every 12 seconds. In fact, a beep is probably preferable since it doesn't obstruct the screen.
Nevertheless, the preferred way is to just learn to do it without external aids. So set up an alarm clock external from the game. Why mess with this shit. This is an alarm clock external from the game, how external do you have to go for it to be legitimate in your mind? The grey area from lightest to darkest goes: an external device sitting in your room like a mobile phone or a metronome a webpage or a program that makes a ding noise, a second monitor that has some program running on it an overlay on top of the game client some type of hardware input to your PC (macro keyboard type stuff) then rendering the clock in game with directX hooks. This system seems pretty easy to setup, use and change. External from the game without hooks...yeah. It does however...come into the game via always on top to interact with your game experience. It is a 3rd party "program" that helps (obviously not at the highest levels of play since you should be hitting injects almost perfectly). I'm not against the use of this on a map where people know you have it (custom map with this built in) but I just rather ladder have 2 people without any type of coach or help behind them. I do think the people freaking out about it should relax, but at the same time I would like for you to e-mail and ask permission from blizzard if it is crossing the line or not. I would think they would say it is. Windows Task Manager also comes into the game via anyways on top, and its already hotkeyed to ctrl + alt + delete. You could put your build order into a bunch of silly named tasks and use this to help you at SC2. I'm not going to try asking blizzard as there would be nothing helpful they could say, they couldn't really confirm or deny if this would be picked up by warden as then they are admitting to some serious PC snooping, or telling real hackers what the wardens limitations are.
Why do you dodge every question? He didn't say to ask Blizzard if warden could detect it, he said to ask them if they are fine with the program, and that it doesn't violate the ToS. We all know what they will say. The fact that you keep bringing up that it "can't be detected" shows you already admit that it violates the ToS, and is frankly pretty sad.
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is there a programm or tool, which plays a sound after x seconds and where u can bind any key to reset this timer?
would be imo the best and without overlay, u could just bind shift+x and it would reset the timer, like this the timer would allways be in time xD
EDIT: ok i searched for a min and i found this http://www.autohotkey.com/forum/topic66719.html
pretty useful for zergs imo and i doubt u can get banned for this
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On July 14 2011 19:24 CptCutter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 18:23 zergrushkekeke wrote:WhatI have put together some batch files that will use irfanview to repeatedly bring up an overlay on top of the control groups visible area for a few seconds. There are methods out there to remind players to keep up with macro activities like mule, inject, build workers, http://injectlarvae.com/ is an example, but this method seems new and didn't come up when I searched for it. I don't think this breaks the TOS, and even if it did I don't know how blizzard could monitor it. SpecificsMy setup brings up an "S" over the top of control group 5 every 12 seconds or so, to remind me to build SCVs, 5 being my command center control group and S being for build SCV. It would be pretty easy to modify the image, timing and position for mules, crono boosts, injects, or whatever you want. The files are simple and should be pretty understandable, but also they are only going to look right if you have the same resolution as me (or fiddle some numbers), I am guessing you should also run Windowed-Fullscreen. I should mention this will probably only work on XP out of the box, some tweaking would have to be done for vista win7 and mac. How to do it1. Install irfanview http://www.irfanview.com/ set it to be always on top (options, tick always on top) 2. Either unzip the file (that I'm going to upload somewhere eventually) to C:/_SC2 or go to the following "set it up from scratch" section 3. Run the Tick.bat You can also make a shortcut of the batch file (has to be on the desktop for XP) and give it a shortcut key combination to start it at the start of the game, I don't know a good way to close it besides just alt tabbing. set it up from scratch1. Make a folder! Name: C:\_SC2 2. Make a .BMP Name: scv.bmp 44x18 pixels with an "s" and some amount of artistic design 3. Make batch file 1 Name: MAKEIMG.BAT --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- rem be in the right folder, standard install c: cd C:\Program Files\IrfanView rem create in pos x, y i_view32.exe c:\_sc2\scv.bmp /pos (528,687) /hide=15 /resample --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Make batch file 2 Name: TICK.BAT --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C: cd C:\_SC2 :start rem - Start up the process again. rem FLASH FOR TWO SECONDS, TWICE link.LNK ping 127.0.0.1 -n 2 taskkill /IM i_view32.exe ping 127.0.0.1 -n 1 link.LNK ping 127.0.0.1 -n 2 taskkill /IM i_view32.exe rem CHANGE THIS NUMBER (-n x) FOR THE DELAY ping 127.0.0.1 -n 11 goto:start --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5.Make a link Name: link Target: C:\_SC2\MAKEIMG.BAT Start in: C:\_sc2 people like you disgust me. trying to gain advantages over others just because you dont have the brains to do something. why not try creating something thats a piece of the actual game like a custom game to help people with their macro?
I'm not supporting using this (I think it would qualify as a 'hack'), but ...are you joking? He DID use his brains to do something! Try being positive and do something yourself too! 
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Russian Federation3 Posts
On July 17 2011 02:36 fickazzz wrote:is there a programm or tool, which plays a sound after x seconds and where u can bind any key to reset this timer? would be imo the best and without overlay, u could just bind shift+x and it would reset the timer, like this the timer would allways be in time xD EDIT: ok i searched for a min and i found this http://www.autohotkey.com/forum/topic66719.htmlpretty useful for zergs imo and i doubt u can get banned for this
Check sc2drill.com. Tool made specifically for this.
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On July 17 2011 02:11 Angry_Fetus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 14:03 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:53 Demonace34 wrote:On July 16 2011 13:47 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:14 AndAgain wrote:On July 14 2011 19:29 Rannasha wrote:
To all those who call "cheat": I don't see how this is any different than setting up an alarm-clock / cellphone to sound a beep every 12 seconds. In fact, a beep is probably preferable since it doesn't obstruct the screen.
Nevertheless, the preferred way is to just learn to do it without external aids. So set up an alarm clock external from the game. Why mess with this shit. This is an alarm clock external from the game, how external do you have to go for it to be legitimate in your mind? The grey area from lightest to darkest goes: an external device sitting in your room like a mobile phone or a metronome a webpage or a program that makes a ding noise, a second monitor that has some program running on it an overlay on top of the game client some type of hardware input to your PC (macro keyboard type stuff) then rendering the clock in game with directX hooks. This system seems pretty easy to setup, use and change. External from the game without hooks...yeah. It does however...come into the game via always on top to interact with your game experience. It is a 3rd party "program" that helps (obviously not at the highest levels of play since you should be hitting injects almost perfectly). I'm not against the use of this on a map where people know you have it (custom map with this built in) but I just rather ladder have 2 people without any type of coach or help behind them. I do think the people freaking out about it should relax, but at the same time I would like for you to e-mail and ask permission from blizzard if it is crossing the line or not. I would think they would say it is. Windows Task Manager also comes into the game via anyways on top, and its already hotkeyed to ctrl + alt + delete. You could put your build order into a bunch of silly named tasks and use this to help you at SC2. I'm not going to try asking blizzard as there would be nothing helpful they could say, they couldn't really confirm or deny if this would be picked up by warden as then they are admitting to some serious PC snooping, or telling real hackers what the wardens limitations are. Why do you dodge every question? He didn't say to ask Blizzard if warden could detect it, he said to ask them if they are fine with the program, and that it doesn't violate the ToS. We all know what they will say. The fact that you keep bringing up that it "can't be detected" shows you already admit that it violates the ToS, and is frankly pretty sad.
it doesnt violate the TOS.
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