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I wonder how effective writing an .mp3 that tells you to check the minimap every 5 seconds, make an SCV every 17, and asks you if you want to expand every couple of minutes would be.
Maybe in Morgan Freeman's voice.
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Pretty sure Blizzard would deem this as cheating. In the right hands sure i'm fine with it, if you use it in custom games to actually train. Not so much in ladder or tournaments, though.
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On July 17 2011 04:43 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 02:11 Angry_Fetus wrote:On July 16 2011 14:03 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:53 Demonace34 wrote:On July 16 2011 13:47 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:14 AndAgain wrote:On July 14 2011 19:29 Rannasha wrote:
To all those who call "cheat": I don't see how this is any different than setting up an alarm-clock / cellphone to sound a beep every 12 seconds. In fact, a beep is probably preferable since it doesn't obstruct the screen.
Nevertheless, the preferred way is to just learn to do it without external aids. So set up an alarm clock external from the game. Why mess with this shit. This is an alarm clock external from the game, how external do you have to go for it to be legitimate in your mind? The grey area from lightest to darkest goes: an external device sitting in your room like a mobile phone or a metronome a webpage or a program that makes a ding noise, a second monitor that has some program running on it an overlay on top of the game client some type of hardware input to your PC (macro keyboard type stuff) then rendering the clock in game with directX hooks. This system seems pretty easy to setup, use and change. External from the game without hooks...yeah. It does however...come into the game via always on top to interact with your game experience. It is a 3rd party "program" that helps (obviously not at the highest levels of play since you should be hitting injects almost perfectly). I'm not against the use of this on a map where people know you have it (custom map with this built in) but I just rather ladder have 2 people without any type of coach or help behind them. I do think the people freaking out about it should relax, but at the same time I would like for you to e-mail and ask permission from blizzard if it is crossing the line or not. I would think they would say it is. Windows Task Manager also comes into the game via anyways on top, and its already hotkeyed to ctrl + alt + delete. You could put your build order into a bunch of silly named tasks and use this to help you at SC2. I'm not going to try asking blizzard as there would be nothing helpful they could say, they couldn't really confirm or deny if this would be picked up by warden as then they are admitting to some serious PC snooping, or telling real hackers what the wardens limitations are. Why do you dodge every question? He didn't say to ask Blizzard if warden could detect it, he said to ask them if they are fine with the program, and that it doesn't violate the ToS. We all know what they will say. The fact that you keep bringing up that it "can't be detected" shows you already admit that it violates the ToS, and is frankly pretty sad. it doesnt violate the TOS.
Says who? They interpret the TOS, not you, or the creator of this tool. Even if it doesn't directly violate the TOS, that's not the point. Would Blizzard have a problem with the tool?
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On July 17 2011 14:32 Angry_Fetus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 04:43 Corrosive wrote:On July 17 2011 02:11 Angry_Fetus wrote:On July 16 2011 14:03 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:53 Demonace34 wrote:On July 16 2011 13:47 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:14 AndAgain wrote:On July 14 2011 19:29 Rannasha wrote:
To all those who call "cheat": I don't see how this is any different than setting up an alarm-clock / cellphone to sound a beep every 12 seconds. In fact, a beep is probably preferable since it doesn't obstruct the screen.
Nevertheless, the preferred way is to just learn to do it without external aids. So set up an alarm clock external from the game. Why mess with this shit. This is an alarm clock external from the game, how external do you have to go for it to be legitimate in your mind? The grey area from lightest to darkest goes: an external device sitting in your room like a mobile phone or a metronome a webpage or a program that makes a ding noise, a second monitor that has some program running on it an overlay on top of the game client some type of hardware input to your PC (macro keyboard type stuff) then rendering the clock in game with directX hooks. This system seems pretty easy to setup, use and change. External from the game without hooks...yeah. It does however...come into the game via always on top to interact with your game experience. It is a 3rd party "program" that helps (obviously not at the highest levels of play since you should be hitting injects almost perfectly). I'm not against the use of this on a map where people know you have it (custom map with this built in) but I just rather ladder have 2 people without any type of coach or help behind them. I do think the people freaking out about it should relax, but at the same time I would like for you to e-mail and ask permission from blizzard if it is crossing the line or not. I would think they would say it is. Windows Task Manager also comes into the game via anyways on top, and its already hotkeyed to ctrl + alt + delete. You could put your build order into a bunch of silly named tasks and use this to help you at SC2. I'm not going to try asking blizzard as there would be nothing helpful they could say, they couldn't really confirm or deny if this would be picked up by warden as then they are admitting to some serious PC snooping, or telling real hackers what the wardens limitations are. Why do you dodge every question? He didn't say to ask Blizzard if warden could detect it, he said to ask them if they are fine with the program, and that it doesn't violate the ToS. We all know what they will say. The fact that you keep bringing up that it "can't be detected" shows you already admit that it violates the ToS, and is frankly pretty sad. it doesnt violate the TOS. Says who? They interpret the TOS, not you, or the creator of this tool. Even if it doesn't directly violate the TOS, that's not the point. Would Blizzard have a problem with the tool?
They can't interpret it to the point where they're telling you what you can or can't run on your own PC independent of the actual game.
And as long as it doesn't violate the TOS, Blizzard as a company won't have a problem with it. I doubt they have an "ethical department" where employees sit and answer calls and e-mails to give subjective opinions on whether something is morally right or wrong.
It's okay to not really like the idea of this tool, I'm personally indifferent to it myself. Trying to shut off the thread with false arguments and loaded questions is pointless though. The mods would already have done that, as they did with all the other threads that do actually violate TOS.
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I think this will help a lot of players. Whether or not this is a violation of the TOS is uncertain. I would like to think it does not because it does not interact with the game in any way. This is only one step up to how a lot of players have sticky notes all over their monitor with reminders. Anyways, if Blizzard approves of this, then I can see a lot of people using it.
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The reality is that if you'r ethe type of person who uses these tools you will never be the type of person who works hard enough to get good enough at this game for this tool to matter.
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On July 16 2011 02:09 zergrushkekeke wrote:
Speaking of the limitations of this method, it seems like the 5 pixel border around the outside of the image, and the image being rectangular is it. I tested it out a bit and you can call up more than one instance (for example you could draw a box around something, the lines being 11 pixels wide) but it gets messy as without a smarter batch script with forking as you need a separate link to each image you want to bring up.
That is really cool. The reason this works is that the brain starts predicting these alerts and you start looking just before the alert. Then it doesn't matter if you remove the alert later.
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On July 18 2011 16:33 Eknoid4 wrote:
The reality is that if you'r ethe type of person who uses these tools you will never be the type of person who works hard enough to get good enough at this game for this tool to matter.
You should look up how training helps the brain predict things and how that affect habits.
I promise you will be enlightened.
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On July 18 2011 17:17 Harmonious wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 16:33 Eknoid4 wrote:
The reality is that if you'r ethe type of person who uses these tools you will never be the type of person who works hard enough to get good enough at this game for this tool to matter. You should look up how training helps the brain predict things and how that affect habits. I promise you will be enlightened.
Sorry but last I checked playing starcraft 2 is still a more realistic form of training. And I'm talking about attitudes. People who think they need some trainer with a line somewhere already have the idea that they can't improve enough without it. Let me know when anyone gets pro because of this instead of just because of the amount of work they put in.
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I was just gonna post how I hate such retarded tools and how mechanically easy this game already is. But whatever, my mechanics in SC2 are nearly perfect and anybody that is any smart would be almost perfect after about 3 or 4 months of playing in this regard as well. With that being said - anyone who is willing to use such application admits that he/she is physically disabled.
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I like turtles... that is all...
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On July 17 2011 14:32 Angry_Fetus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2011 04:43 Corrosive wrote:On July 17 2011 02:11 Angry_Fetus wrote:On July 16 2011 14:03 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:53 Demonace34 wrote:On July 16 2011 13:47 zergrushkekeke wrote:On July 16 2011 13:14 AndAgain wrote:On July 14 2011 19:29 Rannasha wrote:
To all those who call "cheat": I don't see how this is any different than setting up an alarm-clock / cellphone to sound a beep every 12 seconds. In fact, a beep is probably preferable since it doesn't obstruct the screen.
Nevertheless, the preferred way is to just learn to do it without external aids. So set up an alarm clock external from the game. Why mess with this shit. This is an alarm clock external from the game, how external do you have to go for it to be legitimate in your mind? The grey area from lightest to darkest goes: an external device sitting in your room like a mobile phone or a metronome a webpage or a program that makes a ding noise, a second monitor that has some program running on it an overlay on top of the game client some type of hardware input to your PC (macro keyboard type stuff) then rendering the clock in game with directX hooks. This system seems pretty easy to setup, use and change. External from the game without hooks...yeah. It does however...come into the game via always on top to interact with your game experience. It is a 3rd party "program" that helps (obviously not at the highest levels of play since you should be hitting injects almost perfectly). I'm not against the use of this on a map where people know you have it (custom map with this built in) but I just rather ladder have 2 people without any type of coach or help behind them. I do think the people freaking out about it should relax, but at the same time I would like for you to e-mail and ask permission from blizzard if it is crossing the line or not. I would think they would say it is. Windows Task Manager also comes into the game via anyways on top, and its already hotkeyed to ctrl + alt + delete. You could put your build order into a bunch of silly named tasks and use this to help you at SC2. I'm not going to try asking blizzard as there would be nothing helpful they could say, they couldn't really confirm or deny if this would be picked up by warden as then they are admitting to some serious PC snooping, or telling real hackers what the wardens limitations are. Why do you dodge every question? He didn't say to ask Blizzard if warden could detect it, he said to ask them if they are fine with the program, and that it doesn't violate the ToS. We all know what they will say. The fact that you keep bringing up that it "can't be detected" shows you already admit that it violates the ToS, and is frankly pretty sad. it doesnt violate the TOS. Says who? They interpret the TOS, not you, or the creator of this tool. Even if it doesn't directly violate the TOS, that's not the point. Would Blizzard have a problem with the tool?
After 6 back and forths with the customer service webmail bots I finally got an answer:
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Customer Service Representative
If all it's doing is giving you a pop-up reminder to do things, as opposed to halving your build times or making your structures invincible or so forth, then that ordinarily would not be prohibited by the Terms of Use as they currently stand. Such a modification would not be supported by us, and we would retain the right to prohibit its use in the future, in which case posting it on any website would count as distribution, but currently, it should not be an issue.
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In other news I tried to re learn zerg with a modified script but found I really didn't need it, larva timings are all over the place and you can just monitor queen energy once you know what you are doing.
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