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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
July 14 2011 23:54 GMT
#101
Is it an outside of the game advantage that someone WITH this "tool" gets over someone who does not have it? Yes.

This would be the classification of cheating.
Slayth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States325 Posts
July 14 2011 23:58 GMT
#102
This is classified cheating and is against blizzard's ToS.

Hope you get banned
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Ridiculisk
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia191 Posts
July 15 2011 00:18 GMT
#103
I pretty sure with all the flak flying round atm about Raidcall overlays that Blizz would class this as a hack...

Seems cool though
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Randomaccount#128098
Profile Joined November 2010
United States411 Posts
July 15 2011 01:01 GMT
#104
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zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
July 15 2011 01:02 GMT
#105
On July 15 2011 09:18 Ridiculisk wrote:
I pretty sure with all the flak flying round atm about Raidcall overlays that Blizz would class this as a hack...

Seems cool though

this doesn't edit the client....

Raidcall injects "content" into the client....
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Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
July 15 2011 01:08 GMT
#106
There's no way you can't classify this under the same categories as map hacking in terms of giving unfair advantages.

At the same time, I think people are gravely overstating how useful this tool is. If you're in Diamond or higher, it's highly unlikely this tool will actually give you a significant advantage over your opponents. If you're a Bronze level player, maybe it will help you crush your friends.
zergrushkekeke
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia241 Posts
July 15 2011 01:22 GMT
#107
I am still not 100 % sure about how raidcall works, and how blizzard could monitor what programs are running, or displayed on top of theirs. On one hand any method that would capture all the applications running on your PC seems too intrusive for blizzard, and I don't know of a way to tell what application is running on top (is it detectable if you join a game and alt tab out). On the other hand why would raidcall modify any of starcraft 2s files or inject information, or change the way it renders. I would still say the risk of being banned for running this script would be about the same risk a caster streaming live has if they put their name overlay up.

More on the development, as discussed I have a Shortcut key to start the timer, and plan to add one to kill the timer using the following in another batch script.

taskkill /IM i_view32.exe
taskkill /IM cmd.exe

I have the start script bound to ctrl+ alt+ z and plan to have the kill script bound to ctrl + alt +x if its free.

I might add a yellow E graphic to go off on standard MULE timing, such as x seconds from the start of the game (assuming a 12 rax, fast OC) and then every 62 or however many seconds.

I haven't played zerg in S2 much but I might set one up for injects, I use the backspace rebound to ~ key, but since all my hatches are on 5 and all my queens are on 6 there is no visual queue of when next to inject, if you have 1 unit or 1 queen alone in a control group you can see the energy or larva status bar.

I might also make one to remind me to look at the food and mini map every 20 seconds or so by quickly flashing up a graphic there to catch my attention.
KEKEKE
Saicam
Profile Joined July 2011
262 Posts
July 15 2011 01:24 GMT
#108
um, no
Keldrath
Profile Joined July 2010
United States449 Posts
July 15 2011 01:28 GMT
#109
i have a feeling warden would recognize this as a maphack because it behaves in a similar fashion, kinda like how a lot of the raidcall users got banned because of its in game overlays.
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nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 01:39:31
July 15 2011 01:38 GMT
#110
On July 15 2011 08:58 Slayth wrote:
This is classified cheating and is against blizzard's ToS.

Hope you get banned

Did you even read...? so quick to respond without thought...

It doesn't do anything for him ( he still has to do those things ingame )
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zergrushkekeke
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia241 Posts
July 15 2011 01:45 GMT
#111
On July 15 2011 10:28 Keldrath wrote:
i have a feeling warden would recognize this as a maphack because it behaves in a similar fashion, kinda like how a lot of the raidcall users got banned because of its in game overlays.


I'm reading up a bit on warden and it is still ambiguous if it reports the other applications running while sc2 is, and I guess that's the way blizzard would like to keep it. My belief is that the program itself would be white listed in the same way steam is possibly, they could maybe see that it starts and stops more often but only if they are constantly reporting what you are doing, or logging on events.

KEKEKE
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 15 2011 01:50 GMT
#112
Well, it does give you an unfair advantage over someone not using it.(even if ladder means practice to you doesn´t mean that you should get an unfair advantage over the other person), but its no different from people coaching you which many people don´t seem to have any problem with that.

And mechanically lesser players will still have problems with this because they can´t really spare the APM to do everything effectively(scouting, harrassing, watching the minimap etc etc.)

I kinda don´t care too much if people decide to use it,eventually they will internalize the timmings anyways, but of course this can damage the integrity of online tourneys(not much, but imagine if a guy was winning a bunch of online tourneys because his mechanics were beastly and then we find out he was using a helper like this )

I don´t really care too much but lets not deny that this gives you an advantage that your opponent will not have in that area(macro)
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Sideburn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
July 15 2011 03:10 GMT
#113
The hysteria and outrage over this is as hilarious as it was predictable.

On topic: Grats OP. This is cool and useful. I don't consider it a hack in the least. I don't think I'd use it personally because I'd be too afraid I'd let it become a crutch and not a learning aid, but still cool work.
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
July 15 2011 03:21 GMT
#114
Just gonna state it one more time:

You will not get banned for opening paint whilst SC2 is running.
Tempy
Profile Joined May 2010
United States46 Posts
July 15 2011 03:42 GMT
#115
honestly i wouldn't use this, and i wouldn't care if my opponent does because frankly my probe production is pretty good, i can see this being a viable training tool at lower levels but i really don't see this mattering at high levels because frankly there is A LOT of worker cutting for various strats... use at your own risk i thi nk...
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nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
July 15 2011 03:48 GMT
#116
On July 14 2011 19:37 Eleaven wrote:
Gotta admit i hate all these people who talk about "hacks" etc for things that DO NOT interact in any way with starcraft.

This is a fucking timer. A timer that displays an image.

Whether its on monitor 1 or 2 makes absolutely no difference. It's a learning aid at best, and a mildly useless crutch at worst. Don't worry about it. This won't really give anyone competitive an advantage. by masters remembering SCV's should be the least of your worries.

This is absolutely no different from having a coach watch you play and say "make an scv dawwg"

Stop spewing shit basically.

You don't have to agree with it "morally" but to say "oh this is a hack and shud be ban" etc is just retarded.


Funny you post this and the posts that were before you never said anything about hacking. They said that they felt like it wasin a way cheating but nothing to do with the actual word "hack"

maybe you should learn to read before going on a rampage?
Root4Root
zergrushkekeke
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia241 Posts
July 15 2011 04:10 GMT
#117
...

On July 14 2011 19:08 BAFz0r wrote:
Nice Idea, though as NicoLoco already mentioned, i see this as a hack, and it wont be allowed at a tournament, so id say its a pretty bad idea, learn the timings the hardway, play enough and they will come natural to you. But nice idea though


KEKEKE
zergrushkekeke
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia241 Posts
July 15 2011 04:17 GMT
#118
And why are you studying the first page? Oh wait my OP is pretty awesome, so I can understand it now.

I am thinking for mini map reminders I should use big arrows with transparent corners, or if the gif transparency doesn't carry over (which I don't think it does) I could just outline the minimap with 4 instances of the image viewer.I need to find some software for cursor position as the demo I made I just sort of played with the numbers until it fit.
KEKEKE
Frozenhelfire
Profile Joined May 2010
United States420 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 05:13:59
July 15 2011 05:12 GMT
#119
Seems a lot like training wheels to me. I don't see anything wrong with it personally. I don't see this helping me as Zerg, except maybe for injects. I think it is useful to build up muscle memory. For the people talking about having it in a custom game: that is nice and all, but you rarely go up against someone around your skill level in customs and they take longer to "fill". Also it would only be available in that one custom map starting at the bottom of the list.
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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
July 15 2011 05:42 GMT
#120
Leave it to TL to completely overreact over nothing.

This may give you a slight advantage but this is barely cheating, its the same if you had a freaking chronometer on your 2nd monitor.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
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