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gehgrfhgrh
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany294 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 09:34:22
June 26 2011 07:01 GMT
#261
learn to play! If the koreans steamroll the tournaments, it's the foreigners fault!

The best player should win the cash.


THIS!
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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
June 26 2011 07:12 GMT
#262
Glad the poll turned out the way it did.
I don't know if that is common knowledge, but what I've been taught, not letting people participate in tournaments because of their origin is considered as racism.

And really: why would we as supposedly rational human beings deny the Koreans the chance to apply what they learned in endless hours of practice? I mean, it's not like they were good because it lies within their DNA (I suppose), but because they know how to make a business out of a game and how to practice to their limits. After all, they deserve to showcase that skill and earn the corresponding price money.
currently rooting for myself.
navara
Profile Joined September 2010
France95 Posts
June 26 2011 07:19 GMT
#263
it has nothing to do with racisme. Korean do play for their living. they have arguably an avantage above foreigner.

we're not discussing that they should be banned cuz of being korean (at least i hope).

i agree that the best player should win but to be concerned with the growth of foreigner esports,
if we consider that korean will always be better than foreigner because they are playing much more,
then we will never see anything else than korean win any tournies.
and is that good for said growth of esports?
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 07:27:55
June 26 2011 07:23 GMT
#264
On June 26 2011 16:19 navara wrote:
it has nothing to do with racisme. Korean do play for their living. they have arguably an avantage above foreigner.

we're not discussing that they should be banned cuz of being korean (at least i hope).

i agree that the best player should win but to be concerned with the growth of foreigner esports,
if we consider that korean will always be better than foreigner because they are playing much more,
then we will never see anything else than korean win any tournies.
and is that good for said growth of esports?

Foreign esports should grow because its players show more professionalism and commitment to the game, not because we shield them from better players who work harder.

edit: On top of that, a higher level of competition will attract more fans, which is overall good for the game. Korean participation was one of the reasons MLG Columbus enjoyed so much success. They delivered great games and significantly boosted the prestige and level of competition of the tourney.
Dodge arrows
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
June 26 2011 07:29 GMT
#265
Man I feel sorry for the foreigners that can't really compete with the Koreans. It was only a matter of time though.
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
perser84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany399 Posts
June 26 2011 07:32 GMT
#266
well as long as they dont lag during the game
or you have spikes
i think it is no problem at all

they should at least speak english to understand the rulez of the tournament
and can communicate with their opponents
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 07:34:48
June 26 2011 07:33 GMT
#267
On June 26 2011 16:19 navara wrote:
it has nothing to do with racisme. Korean do play for their living. they have arguably an avantage above foreigner.


We should restrict Koreans from tournaments because they train like crazy to make a living off of Starcraft 2? Fantastic logic -.-
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
June 26 2011 07:35 GMT
#268
What's the point of having the internet if we seclude ourselves to our world and restrict others from coming in?

Honestly, viewers should and would probably want to see the best that or the pure idea of a healthy competition is to have it open to all those that are eligible, as far as I know, there should and are no forms of restrictions keeping Koreans from playing, purely the stigma or the disinterest of seeing them win all the time (given how much they practice, it's to be expected).

I think the opposing arguments are weak and a bit flimsy. They're based around the sense of entitlement or disinterest in playing to compete than to win.
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sPaM916
Profile Joined March 2011
United States71 Posts
June 26 2011 07:36 GMT
#269
On June 26 2011 16:12 Shiv. wrote:
Glad the poll turned out the way it did.
I don't know if that is common knowledge, but what I've been taught, not letting people participate in tournaments because of their origin is considered as racism.

And really: why would we as supposedly rational human beings deny the Koreans the chance to apply what they learned in endless hours of practice? I mean, it's not like they were good because it lies within their DNA (I suppose), but because they know how to make a business out of a game and how to practice to their limits. After all, they deserve to showcase that skill and earn the corresponding price money.



how can one person be so ignorant. Its not a racial issue at all. I'm fine with seleCT participating in foreign tournaments and playing in LANs and everything. But the point is he is helping the foreign scene because he lives outside of Korea and harnesses support from foreign sponsors. Furthermore, he gathers attention from foreign fans and thus foreign corporations looking for a new outlet to advertise.


If Koreans, as Catz said, choose to move outside of Korea then by all means let them participate let them flock to foreign events because they would gather foreigns fans.

Its not a matter of racial barriers but of geographic economics. Korean players living korea will never have the same foreigner fan base and thus never harness suppourt for foreign esports.


Also Koreans have small eyes and cannot there screen.
navara
Profile Joined September 2010
France95 Posts
June 26 2011 07:38 GMT
#270
On June 26 2011 16:33 acker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 16:19 navara wrote:
it has nothing to do with racisme. Korean do play for their living. they have arguably an avantage above foreigner.


We should restrict Koreans from tournaments because they train like crazy to make a living off of Starcraft 2? Fantastic logic -.-



also that's absolutly not what i implied xD.
but i knew someone would fall in there.
if you want my own opinion, more korean better for me (cuz i'm mostly a spectator). but that's kinda hypocritical to me cuz i'll never be progamer...
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
June 26 2011 07:43 GMT
#271
On June 26 2011 16:36 sPaM916 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 16:12 Shiv. wrote:
Glad the poll turned out the way it did.
I don't know if that is common knowledge, but what I've been taught, not letting people participate in tournaments because of their origin is considered as racism.

And really: why would we as supposedly rational human beings deny the Koreans the chance to apply what they learned in endless hours of practice? I mean, it's not like they were good because it lies within their DNA (I suppose), but because they know how to make a business out of a game and how to practice to their limits. After all, they deserve to showcase that skill and earn the corresponding price money.



how can one person be so ignorant. Its not a racial issue at all. I'm fine with seleCT participating in foreign tournaments and playing in LANs and everything. But the point is he is helping the foreign scene because he lives outside of Korea and harnesses support from foreign sponsors. Furthermore, he gathers attention from foreign fans and thus foreign corporations looking for a new outlet to advertise.


If Koreans, as Catz said, choose to move outside of Korea then by all means let them participate let them flock to foreign events because they would gather foreigns fans.

Its not a matter of racial barriers but of geographic economics. Korean players living korea will never have the same foreigner fan base and thus never harness suppourt for foreign esports.


Also Koreans have small eyes and cannot there screen.


None of what you said made sense.

Korean players have gained many foreign fans without living in foreign countries. Just look at the MMA cheer at MLG . . . . top Korean progamers are highly recognizable in foreign events.

If the Koreans don't come and destroy everyone, what makes anyone think that Western SC2 players will improve? They won't have any incentive if they can stay mediocre AND win easy prize money in tournaments without Koreans.
powerade = dragoon blood
perser84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany399 Posts
June 26 2011 07:47 GMT
#272
well as long as they dont lag during the game
or you have spikes
i think it is no problem at all

they should at least speak english to understand the rulez of the tournament
and can communicate with their opponents
Battousai13
Profile Joined September 2010
United States638 Posts
June 26 2011 07:49 GMT
#273
The economic argument behind this plays out differently from sponsor/organizer and player point of voiew. The the sponsors/organizers don't really care who's participating, as long as their tournament is getting a metric ton of views. Korean appearances at these touraments are garnering a huge amount of attention, so if anything, the sponsors and organizers WANT more Koreans to show up.

From the player perspective, they want to keep prize money circulation within geographic regions. While I do believe that to be sound logic, I don't agree with it from a competitive perspective. If you say you're a progamer, subsisting off of competing, then it doesn't matter who or how hard your competition is. If you're asking for a protective barrier to competition because these other progamers are dominating the top placements, you really don't deserve to be called a progamer. It's a bold statement to make for someone who does not live by progaming, but there's serious validity to it.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
June 26 2011 07:50 GMT
#274
I think it's cool I like to see foreigners + koreans compete, only koreans is kinda boring
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
June 26 2011 07:51 GMT
#275
They put in the time and effort to get good, they deserve a chance to show that they are anywhere they can should they desire.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
June 26 2011 07:56 GMT
#276
On June 26 2011 16:12 Shiv. wrote:
Glad the poll turned out the way it did.
I don't know if that is common knowledge, but what I've been taught, not letting people participate in tournaments because of their origin is considered as racism.

And really: why would we as supposedly rational human beings deny the Koreans the chance to apply what they learned in endless hours of practice? I mean, it's not like they were good because it lies within their DNA (I suppose), but because they know how to make a business out of a game and how to practice to their limits. After all, they deserve to showcase that skill and earn the corresponding price money.


Racism is too harsh. It would be xenophobic and insular, but not racist.

There are plenty of European countries which are almost impossible to immigrate to, for instance. That isn't racism, necessarily. That's a country not wanting to share their wealth.


Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
June 26 2011 08:01 GMT
#277
I want to see the best players compete, if that means 95% koreans, i am okay with that.

There is no genetic-advantage that makes koreans better. Its their training-environment and dedication.
If NA/EU Player cant match that...well then thats too bad, i guess they should reconsider the reasons they turned pro.
"Eyo lesson' here, Bey. You're comin' at the king, you best not miss."
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
June 26 2011 08:02 GMT
#278
"Sweden has so many good online players too let's ban them as well!"

No matter what people might call it, banning people from certain countries isn't a good thing. And honestly I don't see the point in hating on players who are "too good", who "discourage other players". It's called the Starcraft II PROFESSIONAL COMPETITIVE scene for a reason. Suck it up and practice more.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
June 26 2011 08:04 GMT
#279
I love it when koreans go to forgeiner turnaments because then i know who to cheer for and when my player wins it acually means something.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 08:21:08
June 26 2011 08:18 GMT
#280
If they wake up at 5 or 6AM to play in western tournaments, dealing with lag during each one of their games against western players and train hard enough to still dominate the tournament as they do, then they deserve it.

This surely is the hard way for western esport to grow, compared to shielding them from stronger players (like the taiwanese scene does it), but I am sure that the western scene will grow despite it nonetheless.

edit: Besides, if we shield our scene from stronger players, it might grow but I believe it'll always stay behind strong countries like Korea.
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