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The Korean Online Invasion - what do you prefer? - Page 14
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gehgrfhgrh
Germany294 Posts
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Shiv.
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I don't know if that is common knowledge, but what I've been taught, not letting people participate in tournaments because of their origin is considered as racism. And really: why would we as supposedly rational human beings deny the Koreans the chance to apply what they learned in endless hours of practice? I mean, it's not like they were good because it lies within their DNA (I suppose), but because they know how to make a business out of a game and how to practice to their limits. After all, they deserve to showcase that skill and earn the corresponding price money. | ||
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navara
France95 Posts
we're not discussing that they should be banned cuz of being korean (at least i hope). i agree that the best player should win but to be concerned with the growth of foreigner esports, if we consider that korean will always be better than foreigner because they are playing much more, then we will never see anything else than korean win any tournies. and is that good for said growth of esports? | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On June 26 2011 16:19 navara wrote: it has nothing to do with racisme. Korean do play for their living. they have arguably an avantage above foreigner. we're not discussing that they should be banned cuz of being korean (at least i hope). i agree that the best player should win but to be concerned with the growth of foreigner esports, if we consider that korean will always be better than foreigner because they are playing much more, then we will never see anything else than korean win any tournies. and is that good for said growth of esports? Foreign esports should grow because its players show more professionalism and commitment to the game, not because we shield them from better players who work harder. edit: On top of that, a higher level of competition will attract more fans, which is overall good for the game. Korean participation was one of the reasons MLG Columbus enjoyed so much success. They delivered great games and significantly boosted the prestige and level of competition of the tourney. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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perser84
Germany399 Posts
or you have spikes i think it is no problem at all they should at least speak english to understand the rulez of the tournament and can communicate with their opponents | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On June 26 2011 16:19 navara wrote: it has nothing to do with racisme. Korean do play for their living. they have arguably an avantage above foreigner. We should restrict Koreans from tournaments because they train like crazy to make a living off of Starcraft 2? Fantastic logic -.- | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Honestly, viewers should and would probably want to see the best that or the pure idea of a healthy competition is to have it open to all those that are eligible, as far as I know, there should and are no forms of restrictions keeping Koreans from playing, purely the stigma or the disinterest of seeing them win all the time (given how much they practice, it's to be expected). I think the opposing arguments are weak and a bit flimsy. They're based around the sense of entitlement or disinterest in playing to compete than to win. | ||
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sPaM916
United States71 Posts
On June 26 2011 16:12 Shiv. wrote: Glad the poll turned out the way it did. I don't know if that is common knowledge, but what I've been taught, not letting people participate in tournaments because of their origin is considered as racism. And really: why would we as supposedly rational human beings deny the Koreans the chance to apply what they learned in endless hours of practice? I mean, it's not like they were good because it lies within their DNA (I suppose), but because they know how to make a business out of a game and how to practice to their limits. After all, they deserve to showcase that skill and earn the corresponding price money. how can one person be so ignorant. Its not a racial issue at all. I'm fine with seleCT participating in foreign tournaments and playing in LANs and everything. But the point is he is helping the foreign scene because he lives outside of Korea and harnesses support from foreign sponsors. Furthermore, he gathers attention from foreign fans and thus foreign corporations looking for a new outlet to advertise. If Koreans, as Catz said, choose to move outside of Korea then by all means let them participate let them flock to foreign events because they would gather foreigns fans. Its not a matter of racial barriers but of geographic economics. Korean players living korea will never have the same foreigner fan base and thus never harness suppourt for foreign esports. Also Koreans have small eyes and cannot there screen. | ||
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navara
France95 Posts
On June 26 2011 16:33 acker wrote: We should restrict Koreans from tournaments because they train like crazy to make a living off of Starcraft 2? Fantastic logic -.- also that's absolutly not what i implied xD. but i knew someone would fall in there. if you want my own opinion, more korean better for me (cuz i'm mostly a spectator). but that's kinda hypocritical to me cuz i'll never be progamer... | ||
chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On June 26 2011 16:36 sPaM916 wrote: how can one person be so ignorant. Its not a racial issue at all. I'm fine with seleCT participating in foreign tournaments and playing in LANs and everything. But the point is he is helping the foreign scene because he lives outside of Korea and harnesses support from foreign sponsors. Furthermore, he gathers attention from foreign fans and thus foreign corporations looking for a new outlet to advertise. If Koreans, as Catz said, choose to move outside of Korea then by all means let them participate let them flock to foreign events because they would gather foreigns fans. Its not a matter of racial barriers but of geographic economics. Korean players living korea will never have the same foreigner fan base and thus never harness suppourt for foreign esports. Also Koreans have small eyes and cannot there screen. None of what you said made sense. Korean players have gained many foreign fans without living in foreign countries. Just look at the MMA cheer at MLG . . . . top Korean progamers are highly recognizable in foreign events. If the Koreans don't come and destroy everyone, what makes anyone think that Western SC2 players will improve? They won't have any incentive if they can stay mediocre AND win easy prize money in tournaments without Koreans. | ||
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perser84
Germany399 Posts
or you have spikes i think it is no problem at all they should at least speak english to understand the rulez of the tournament and can communicate with their opponents | ||
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
From the player perspective, they want to keep prize money circulation within geographic regions. While I do believe that to be sound logic, I don't agree with it from a competitive perspective. If you say you're a progamer, subsisting off of competing, then it doesn't matter who or how hard your competition is. If you're asking for a protective barrier to competition because these other progamers are dominating the top placements, you really don't deserve to be called a progamer. It's a bold statement to make for someone who does not live by progaming, but there's serious validity to it. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On June 26 2011 16:12 Shiv. wrote: Glad the poll turned out the way it did. I don't know if that is common knowledge, but what I've been taught, not letting people participate in tournaments because of their origin is considered as racism. And really: why would we as supposedly rational human beings deny the Koreans the chance to apply what they learned in endless hours of practice? I mean, it's not like they were good because it lies within their DNA (I suppose), but because they know how to make a business out of a game and how to practice to their limits. After all, they deserve to showcase that skill and earn the corresponding price money. Racism is too harsh. It would be xenophobic and insular, but not racist. There are plenty of European countries which are almost impossible to immigrate to, for instance. That isn't racism, necessarily. That's a country not wanting to share their wealth. | ||
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Mattes
Germany1116 Posts
There is no genetic-advantage that makes koreans better. Its their training-environment and dedication. If NA/EU Player cant match that...well then thats too bad, i guess they should reconsider the reasons they turned pro. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
No matter what people might call it, banning people from certain countries isn't a good thing. And honestly I don't see the point in hating on players who are "too good", who "discourage other players". It's called the Starcraft II PROFESSIONAL COMPETITIVE scene for a reason. Suck it up and practice more. | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
This surely is the hard way for western esport to grow, compared to shielding them from stronger players (like the taiwanese scene does it), but I am sure that the western scene will grow despite it nonetheless. edit: Besides, if we shield our scene from stronger players, it might grow but I believe it'll always stay behind strong countries like Korea. | ||
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