EPTI still think local online tournaments should stay local (aka Zotac EU for EU only, the US version for US only) to groom lower tier of good players, but at the highest level it should be the best players, and that means letting all the Korean progamers have all the benefits EU and US progamers have
The Korean Online Invasion - what do you prefer? - Page 12
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Dymeter
Macedonia74 Posts
I still think local online tournaments should stay local (aka Zotac EU for EU only, the US version for US only) to groom lower tier of good players, but at the highest level it should be the best players, and that means letting all the Korean progamers have all the benefits EU and US progamers have | ||
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Xercen
United Kingdom375 Posts
On June 26 2011 08:58 Chicane wrote: I can't entirely agree with this. First off I too don't care about nationality, at least not much (I was cheering for quite a few Koreans to do well in the NASL over foreigners) but having more "local" tournaments can lead to sc2 being taken more seriously. That would include having more team houses, more teams, more events, more viewers, and esports being more widely accepted around the world. The other point I wanted to make was in responce to "I just want to see the best SC2 possible." Would you honestly rather watch two well programmed computers play against each other if those computers would show the best starcraft? And then those computers would keep playing each other over and over because they are the most well programmed? That's an honest question if you'd be willing to answer. Since when did watching games only become about nothing but skill. What about the story of the players, and the fan interaction. Don't get me wrong, I too appreciate good games, but I think it is a bit ridiculous to just say that all you can care about is the highest skill. I believe MC interacts with fans more than any other foreigner i've ever seen. Also mma did his hadouken when he won mlg. I haven't seen any eu/na player have the same level of interaction in sc2 when they won a tournament or during a tournment as those two i've mentioned. Which non koreans have high fived people and done the two thumbs down? Sorry but i think even the koreans are winning on the fan interaction front and they don't even speak english well! Also, since you are from america, you can appreciate the fact that koreans just want to live the american dream...i.e they want to work hard and get rewards based on their work ethics without discrimination. They want the freedom to enter tournaments and work hard and win or lose based on their performance. To deny them this would be disgusting! if koreans were banned i would quit watching any sc2 games and quit this forum also. also can you imagine if the GSL banned all foreigners because they were not on the same level as koreans? can you imagine how bad that would look? well that's exactly what this thread is doing but in reverse! | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
Whatever arguments you people present in this thread are pointless. Koreans will continue to play and win most online tournaments. Any league or tournament excluding them will pretty much have no recognition. | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On June 26 2011 11:27 Dymeter wrote: I still think local online tournaments should stay local (aka Zotac EU for EU only, the US version for US only) Zotac cups are not local, they are just on the respective server but everyone can participate. | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
When Koreans dominate, it becomes a problem suddenly.. Interesting, no? I want to see the best players, and the most interesting games. If Koreans are the best, then the more of them enter tournaments, the better... | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
Anyone should be allowed open entry to a tournament. On June 26 2011 07:26 Q(-_-Q wrote: Why do people care if Koreans come and take the money in our tournaments? The best player should win the cash. It's not "our" money. We have no right to it as a nation, race or hemisphere. It's the best players money. Or, to put it with less naive, it's the winner of a tournaments money. While discussions like this must be had openly, since they would surely be had privately if it wasn't allowed, I am embarrassed that we're discussing the idea of not allowing Koreans into tournaments simply because they are too good. | ||
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Ruscour
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
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Icekommander
Canada483 Posts
On June 26 2011 11:40 Awesomeness wrote: Zotac cups are not local, they are just on the respective server but everyone can participate. No they are not, but they probably should be. | ||
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VGhost
United States3621 Posts
On June 26 2011 11:42 sitromit wrote: People say there's no racism etc, but if you look at the results of these tournaments, EU players are also dominating NA players pretty hard, yet you don't see anyone complaining about it, asking whether we should ban Europeans from entering... When Koreans dominate, it becomes a problem suddenly.. Interesting, no? A couple reasons: 1) Culture. Yes EU and USA are different, but there's a lot of the same heritage, common language, etc. 2) EU > NA overall, but NA has some very good players (idra, Huk) so there's not the same perceived domination as Korea has over everybody. 3) Korea is esports central. It's not much different than the "USSR vs The World" chess matches back when the USSR was a thing (except Korea is smaller than the USSR was, obviously). I really don't think there's any racism in it: everyone acknowledges that Korea is the powerhouse due to culture, training, history, and so forth and so of course they're what everybody else compares themselves to. Of course there's an "us vs. them" mentality working into it, but it's got nothing to do with race. If for some reason Sweden or Germany or whatever country started dominating the SC2 scene for years on end I guarantee that the "them" would shift from Korea to the new center of dominance. | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:10 MassIncestor wrote: awesome, the best players should participate i don't care about nationality, but skill This. While I do love to watch some favorite players, I'd prefer to see the best of the best duking it out then lower skilled people who live closer to me. | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
I welcome the Korean players with open arms. | ||
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Fianchetto
United States157 Posts
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
bring more koreans in, flood the bracket with them. eventually people will clue up and we'll all improve as a result. | ||
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Blueblister
Sweden321 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:33 Mordiford wrote: Yeah, that's a region lock, that's not, "No koreans allowed" as the poll implies when listing IPL. It was done for logistics reasons and they hope to expand to new regions in the future(including Korea). People in Japan, Australia etc weren't allowed to play either, it was regional. Logistics sounds like a very bad excuse for wanting to protect local interests from outside competition. If the logistical reason given was true then EU/LA players wouldn't be able to participate either. Edit: Oh, right, as you mentioned later language barrier might also have played a part. I have to agree with you that locking out players based on were they live isn't as discriminatory as doing it purely by nationality. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
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Chras
Canada50 Posts
On June 26 2011 07:15 Itsmedudeman wrote: dey took our jerbs!! der terk yer joerbs! | ||
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