EPTBut I don't feel that any stream takes it too overboard when it comes to cussing and inappropriate stuff on the air, and even if they did and continued to they'd probably loose quite alot of viewers because of it. Even the user streams are most of the time cuss free, although there are a few exceptions to this of course.
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
But I don't feel that any stream takes it too overboard when it comes to cussing and inappropriate stuff on the air, and even if they did and continued to they'd probably loose quite alot of viewers because of it. Even the user streams are most of the time cuss free, although there are a few exceptions to this of course. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:44 TBO wrote: How bad are f-bombs compared to "rape/d" in US-American Culture? In germany / most of continental europe an f-bomb is something you hear on TV / Radio all around the clock but the word "rape" would result in getting fired instantly. Just curious, because rape/d is really the only word I really have a problem with when listening to a cast (not personally but when reflecting upon how the general audience could receive that) In the UK saying raped on TV before the watershed would be bad unless its part of a drama storyline or the news, using it like gamers do would be....very bad. But then this is the internet, not TV. IN the states they allow 5 year children to watch wrestling, in which there are women wearing next to nothing, people beating each other with metal chairs, sledge hammers and all kinds of weird stuff and they do ALOT of sexual jokes....... WWE is "PG" these days and still does this stuff (PG in WWE means no swearing, and no blood). SC2 is a game and is what i would consider cartoon violence, but its a game for teens and up, asking casters to cater to a miniscule minority of viewers by being completely PG is just silly..... not swearing i can get on board with, but the rest i can't. | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:51 Chill wrote: Because there's one thing we can't control doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about what we can control. You can't control what your kids play? | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
As a parent the responsibility falls on you. If your child is 12 its generally accepted in NA culture that they will have encountered cursing at one point or another. You're also 100% fully aware that cursing may [ and is likely to ] occur. 8 year olds don't understand sexual innuendo. You are asking gretorp to forever cut out his signature awkwardness towards sexual innuendo jokes in order to cater to a very very small group. I think the OP made this kind of request without thinking about it much further than 1. I want to enjoy starcraft with my kids. 2. Oops, I'm actually exposing them to cursing. 3. I still want my kids to watch starcraft with me so organizations should change. Instead, you should just realize that you cannot change the nature of casters/gamers who grew up just like your own children and use this opportunity to act as a responsible parent to explain what cursing is to your children and how they should handle it. Personally I think a lot of viewers would be turned off by the fact that interviews would be censored, emotions couldn't be caught live, and imposing your own values onto players/organizations from around the world. Edit: Seriously I've seen so many posters say they want more emotion and personal interaction in the west compared to what we saw in BW progaming and GSL, yet some guy makes a post about his kids where he has maybe 1 valid complaint [ 8 year old ] and suddenly everyone can't say fuck once per 3 hour broadcast? Come on. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Not all the time, especially when parents have two jobs and need to rely on the elder child to supervise the younger one after school. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:53 Torte de Lini wrote: Not all the time, especially when parents have two jobs and need to rely on the elder child to supervise the younger one after school. Well at that point you've already kind of given up censoring them personally, that's more of an issue of trust. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
The only thing my daughter knows about SC2 is that it is not appropriate for her to watch. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:55 Joedaddy wrote: I agree with the OP. I'd love to be able to include my daughter when I watch tournaments but I can't because of the crude language used by the casters. The only thing my daughter knows about SC2 is that it is not appropriate for her to watch. I'd like your explanation for why you think it's okay for them to watch/play a teen rated game but not to listen to a (IMO) PG-13 cast. I'm not trying to be an asshole, it just doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:55 Pokebunny wrote: Well at that point you've already kind of given up censoring them personally, that's more of an issue of trust. You haven't given it up, you just haven't put as a priority beyond financially ensuring your child has food on the table, an education and a roof. Yes, it is an issue of trust where you trust your child's responsibility to not engage in things or shows that aren't suited for him. Whether he knows what is suitable for him or not is another issue. Point being, controlling things your children play is not always reasonable for some. | ||
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:51 Chill wrote: Just because there's one thing we can't control doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about what we can control. But we could control this...It would be slightly harder, but I also would imagine that seeing someone get shot with a gun and hearing a cheering crowd behind it is more harmful to a childs psyche then hearing the f-bomb is. Personally, I dont think either are actually that harmful, but I can't understand why you'd say one IS harmful and the other isn't. Can you link anything studies that say swearing is worse then violence? Or are you just saying that casters should censor themselves to meet some outdated american ideals? | ||
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dolphen
63 Posts
 ) . I want websites to be able to choose which stream they want to show, but not from one person/groups oppinion, since it would give the person/group so much power, and I dont believe that there is a person in E-sports without any conflict of interest.The solution I see, is that each stream should rate themselves, if they don't keep to their own rating, we would realise quie fast (if you say you don't want to say f**k, and after 5 min you have said it 5 times........). So maybe a global rating system, but streamers should rate them selves, then websites could post the rating, and people who care, can watch the stream, and make sure it is something they wan't/don't wan't to see. This way the rating won't have too much power, since each streamer choose their own rating, and it is still gonna be usefull (asuming that most af the streamers a honest people). The difference between this, and no rating, is that you can sort out the streams by looking the rating that are worse, and companies like GOMTV/NASL/MLG, would have to keep their own rating, or else I am sure it will have a negative effect. My assumption is that most people are honest, but no one are so honest they can handle all the streams by them selves (being a group or a person). The solution is not perfect, but i think that there is some situations we should avoid (like i mentioned at the start of my post) at all cost (the worst cost being no rating system). | ||
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Kammalleri
Canada613 Posts
Crota)Blizshouter) isn't as energic, but you'll never hear him swear or say any bad things at all. He's a pretty good caster too. You can't take a caster that swears quite a bit and make sex reference in his casts since the beggining and expect him to change his style completely. That's who he is, you like it you watch it, you don't like it, you don't watch it. There is enough content out there to find casters that suits what you want. And post game interview there's always a risk, if you aren't ready to take the risk, mute them.. | ||
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:58 Torte de Lini wrote: You haven't given it up, you just haven't put as a priority beyond financially ensuring your child has food on the table, an education and a roof. Yes, it is an issue of trust where you trust your child's responsibility to not engage in things or shows that aren't suited for him. Whether he knows what is suitable for him or not is another issue. Point being, controlling things your children play is not always reasonable for some. Your point isn't really valid in this argument though...If a child is to the point of being raised by him/herself or an older sibling, I think hearing curse words in a starcraft commentary is probably the least of his/her concerns.. | ||
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
In Denmark, where I am from, we hear swear words in tv daily and we still manage to have a less kids shoot them self than in USA Also, the f-word is used a lot in the campaign, so if you allow your kids to play/watch SC2 then they might have already heard it. In stead of sheltering your kids from "bad" words, you should educate them so they know how and when to use them... Also, the f-word and other swear words help bring passion into the commentating, if it wasn't for those words we could just have a robot commentating  | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:57 Pokebunny wrote: I'd like your explanation for why you think it's okay for them to watch/play a teen rated game but not to listen to a (IMO) PG-13 cast. I'm not trying to be an asshole, it just doesn't make sense to me. She doesn't play SC2 because she is only 4. She sees me watching tournaments though and wants to watch too. She does the same thing when I watch other sports. She's not old enough to play, but she still likes hang out with dad and ask questions about baseball and football. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:52 Bonkarooni wrote: But you're okay with the fact that they watch death and violence on a constant basis? No, I'm not. Still think I'm a hypocrite? Reasons for not cussing in a SC cast: a) It's unnecessary b) It's unprofessional c) It offends some people All good reasons not to do it. As Chill pointed out the argument that it's OK to cuss on a SC cast because SC is a T rated game is vapid because one doesn't follow naturally from the other. There's no reason to compound the T-ratedness of it, particularly as different people have different standards of what they find acceptable and willing to expose their children to, and they're entitled to making their own standards. Cussing doesn't add anything to casts at best, and at worst it offends some people and reduces acceptance of SC, so why do it? | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
Oh and the argument about "your kids are going to hear it anyway" is a pretty poor one, and one that typically comes from younger people that don't have kids. There's no sense in explaining it either to someone without children, they wouldn't understand. | ||
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:32 Bergys wrote: This is a non-issue in most european countries. Kids are on the internet watching porn and swear all the time when they are 12. However I do agree that it makes the cast more professional if they refrain from sexual jokes and swearing in big tournaments such as MLG, GSL, NASL etc. On May 25 2011 01:41 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I doubt Europeans are going to do anything about it. When you here fuck this and fuck that at 3PM on TV no one is going to make it a big deal. But yeah, I don't care either way. We get our Rated fun somewhere anyway, so people are not going to diss bigger tournaments if they try to be family friendly. Also, auto-mute if swedes are interviewed, the F-bomb is guaranteed. On May 25 2011 01:48 Fatalize wrote: Only Americans are butthurted by F-bombs and things like that ... BTW, Starcraft is supposed to be 12+yo (at least in France), so i don't see why casters should force them to speak in a certain way, when every 12+yo person is used to harsh words and such ... I would say the same for my country. Also I don't think I have ever picked up something wildly inappropriate. You cannot put sporadic mild cursing in there, many times they even go holy cow. But if you do, well that guy that screams at the cashier in front of you makes your kid not go with you when you do groceries. However if there would somehow be a rating for casters. I would personally think it's kinda stupid, though I like that it makes it easier for parents to decide if they should allow their kids to watch it. However with that, if you are the one watching you are a much better judge for what your kid can watch than any rating system. I believe the rating system itself is good, but it's main purpose is for allowing a parent to decide if it's ok to buy game X for their kid when they will never know wtf game X is. You just check the box and it's like <drugs,sex,cursing> ok I think my child is too young for that. "No, you cannot get this game". So with that in mind, I don't think its relevant to have a rating system for a parent that wants his child to watch streams with him. Furthermore there is one negative to the rating system and that is the stigma or something. Especially for newer people or those who improperly use a rating system, not only they but we would miss out on them watching. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On May 25 2011 02:02 Ramong wrote: This idea that swearing is somehow damaging for kids is outdated and wrong. In Denmark, where I am from, we hear swear words in tv daily and we still manage to have a less kids shoot them self than in USA Also, the f-word is used a lot in the campaign, so if you allow your kids to play/watch SC2 then they might have already heard it. In stead of sheltering your kids from "bad" words, you should educate them so they know how and when to use them... Also, the f-word and other swear words help bring passion into the commentating, if it wasn't for those words we could just have a robot commentating Tbh this reminds me of a gig i played about 2 years ago, I swear alot on stage, I don't really know why but in between songs when im talking about why i wrote this or that song I swear more than i should. So anywho, I'm playing a gig at a pub and a woman walks up to me in between sets and says "Hi, I'm really enjoying the music but do you think you could tone down the language you use when you are talking, by 14 year old daughter is here".... I said, in the most polite way I could that I this is a pub, therefore her 14 year daughter shouldn't be here unless she is willing to hear bad language and that I wouldn't censor myself for the sake of one person that shouldn't even be in the building anyway. Words are just words, they don't hurt anyone, while we need to be considerate of our audience as performers, you can't ask someone to cater to an audience their performance wasn't intended for. | ||
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