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For Ranked Ladder, could we add an ‘Avoid Matchup’ option, similar to the current map veto system? This would greatly improve the ladder experience for many players. A significant pain point for the community is frequently being matched into mirror matches (e.g., PvP, TvT, ZvZ) or against a specific race they find particularly unfun or frustrating to play against.
The current options feel bad: either suffer through a match you don’t enjoy, or leave and take a punishing MMR and point loss. This feature would give players more control over their experience, making laddering more enjoyable.
To ensure fairness and competitive integrity, this feature could come with a trade-off. For instance, when this option is active, a player would gain slightly less MMR from a victory compared to a standard win. This would prevent players from artificially inflating their rating by only playing their best matchups, ensuring the earned rank remains representative of overall skill.
These are just my preliminary thoughts. I would be very interested to know if Blizzard would ever consider implementing such a feature.
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what about add this veto option only in the unranded game ladder? thus we can not only have more fun in the game play but also keeping our rankd game ladder system unchanged, and if we want to increase our rank game mmr we still have to prepare all our skills to face everyrace including the most dislke one. Im just curious
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Or, we can have one option that veto mirro matchups only in unranked games, I think one of the most dislike reason in this game is that people just dont like the mirror matchup, adding this veto will not affect our rank system and make players have more fun and spend more time in the game, maybe more lost SC2 fans will come back because of this enjoyment change.
what’s more, based on those toss whiners who commentted under my thread, the only banning on mirror matchup button will not cause the problem that everyone is banning toss players so that toss player will never find a mathup.
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Northern Ireland26499 Posts
I’ve long thought this makes sense, but I’d restrict it to unranked personally.
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On October 26 2025 19:05 bycrazingby wrote:
For Ranked Ladder, could we add an ‘Avoid Matchup’ option, similar to the current map veto system? This would greatly improve the ladder experience for many players. A significant pain point for the community is frequently being matched into mirror matches (e.g., PvP, TvT, ZvZ) or against a specific race they find particularly unfun or frustrating to play against.
The current options feel bad: either suffer through a match you don’t enjoy, or leave and take a punishing MMR and point loss. This feature would give players more control over their experience, making laddering more enjoyable.
To ensure fairness and competitive integrity, this feature could come with a trade-off. For instance, when this option is active, a player would gain slightly less MMR from a victory compared to a standard win. This would prevent players from artificially inflating their rating by only playing their best matchups, ensuring the earned rank remains representative of overall skill.
These are just my preliminary thoughts. I would be very interested to know if Blizzard would ever consider implementing such a feature.
To answer your last question: They would not. Mostly because it means work they are not willing to put into the game, but probably also they really don't want to.
For the original premise: Who doesn't have a matchup he hates? The probem is that there are, from your perspective, only three matchups. XvP, XvT, XvZ. Doesn't matter what you yourself play, these are your three options. So removing one of these reduces your opponent pool by roughly 33%, making matchmaking more difficult and longer lasting. If you then allow to even block two matchups, you are already limiting yourself to only ever play one matchup.
And then you could run into real trouble with the potential that on some skilllevels the entire ladder comes to a grinding hold.
With a smaller playerbase it is never good to put too many limitations on matchmaking. When you click that ladder button, you want a game in the next few minutes, not next week
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I don't have a strong opinion on this but I have a feeling that it would empower a mindset I strongly dislike. People who are bad at mirrors and make no effort to fix this tend to be those who also don't like strategy and just want to turn starcraft into an arcade game. Getting matched against one trick ponies already feels like a waste of time to me and I feel like an option to veto mirrors would make their presence on ladder even more annoying. Just git gud you nerd.
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No.
As others said, the playerbase is a bit small to add restrictions on matchmaking. Besides, it makes no sense from a competitive pov ; if you want to win a tourney, you most likely will have to go through your worst mu too.
This must come from someone who has experienced immense frustration with some mus, which I totally get. But if you're below 6k, there is still so much you can improve that it's mind-boggling and you should enjoy the process. It's even likely your worst or favorite mu will change with the evolution of your skill level. For instance, I'm trying to get back into the game currently after a nearly 8 year hiatus (was hovering just below 5k when I stopped). At the beginning (around 3.6k level, I made a new account), I would immensely struggle vT because I was too used to the passive HotS meta in which I thrived (double forge + colo on two bases doesn't really work anymore), but I learnt what worked - even if I, in typical me fashion, refused to use storm because I deemed it imba with the previous overcharge -, got better, and now I have quite an ok PvT at 4.2k. Meanwhile, I was beating down Zergs until 4k (like 95% winrate) and it's getting harder now, but I welcome the hardship and will find ways to get around the problems lurkers and miscellaneous aggressions give me. With your button, I would just have played PvZ until the end of times and never gotten really better at the game.
Aligulac like mu specific MMR would be interesting, though.
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Northern Ireland26499 Posts
On October 27 2025 00:55 Sent. wrote:
I don't have a strong opinion on this but I have a feeling that it would empower a mindset I strongly dislike. People who are bad at mirrors and make no effort to fix this tend to be those who also don't like strategy and just want to turn starcraft into an arcade game. Getting matched against one trick ponies already feels like a waste of time to me and I feel like an option to veto mirrors would make their presence on ladder even more annoying. Just git gud you nerd.
Having fun in games is also nice!
I agree that gitting gud is like the entire point of ranked modes, don’t fuck with it.
In unranked though? I do think it would be a nice change for all sorts of reasons. It’s meant to be the casual mode but it’s really not much functionally different.
Not just for people who hate a matchup who want to veto it. There’d be other benefits too. My PvZ has always been garbage, probably always will be. But if I could choose to queue nothing but PvZ for weeks in ranked?
I’m absolutely against it in ranked ladder, part of the skill is being rounded across either your 3 matchups, or all of them if you’re rolling random.
But I think more options in unranked would be quite nice. I mean let’s be real it’s unlikely to happy at this stage
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On October 26 2025 20:21 WombaT wrote:
I’ve long thought this makes sense, but I’d restrict it to unranked personally.
veto race is maily for increase the fun, if we dont want to change our rank mmr system and also have fun, unrank veto option is sounds acceptable
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On October 27 2025 08:07 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2025 00:55 Sent. wrote:
I don't have a strong opinion on this but I have a feeling that it would empower a mindset I strongly dislike. People who are bad at mirrors and make no effort to fix this tend to be those who also don't like strategy and just want to turn starcraft into an arcade game. Getting matched against one trick ponies already feels like a waste of time to me and I feel like an option to veto mirrors would make their presence on ladder even more annoying. Just git gud you nerd. Having fun in games is also nice! I agree that gitting gud is like the entire point of ranked modes, don’t fuck with it. In unranked though? I do think it would be a nice change for all sorts of reasons. It’s meant to be the casual mode but it’s really not much functionally different. Not just for people who hate a matchup who want to veto it. There’d be other benefits too. My PvZ has always been garbage, probably always will be. But if I could choose to queue nothing but PvZ for weeks in ranked? I’m absolutely against it in ranked ladder, part of the skill is being rounded across either your 3 matchups, or all of them if you’re rolling random. But I think more options in unranked would be quite nice. I mean let’s be real it’s unlikely to happy at this stage
If it's just between two unranked players I'm okay with it. It's something I probably wouldn't use but I see no harm in letting other players do that in their unranked games.
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On October 26 2025 19:05 bycrazingby wrote:
For Ranked Ladder, could we add an ‘Avoid Matchup’ option, similar to the current map veto system? This would greatly improve the ladder experience for many players. A significant pain point for the community is frequently being matched into mirror matches (e.g., PvP, TvT, ZvZ) or against a specific race they find particularly unfun or frustrating to play against.
The current options feel bad: either suffer through a match you don’t enjoy, or leave and take a punishing MMR and point loss. This feature would give players more control over their experience, making laddering more enjoyable.
To ensure fairness and competitive integrity, this feature could come with a trade-off. For instance, when this option is active, a player would gain slightly less MMR from a victory compared to a standard win. This would prevent players from artificially inflating their rating by only playing their best matchups, ensuring the earned rank remains representative of overall skill.
These are just my preliminary thoughts. I would be very interested to know if Blizzard would ever consider implementing such a feature.
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what about add this veto option only in the unranded game ladder? thus we can not only have more fun in the game play but also keeping our rankd game ladder system unchanged, and if we want to increase our rank game mmr we still have to prepare all our skills to face everyrace including the most dislke one. Im just curious
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Or, we can have one option that veto only mirro matchups in unranked games, I think one of the most dislike reason in this game is that people just dont like the mirror matchup, adding this veto will not affect our rank system and make players have more fun and spend more time in the game, maybe more lost SC2 fans will come back because of this enjoyment change.
what’s more, based on those toss whiners who commentted under my thread, the only banning on mirror matchup button will not cause the problem that everyone is banning toss players so that toss player will never find a mathup.
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Really sounds like you should play more custom games. Ladder is about honing your skills all around, in all 3 mus. If you want to avoid a mu, play customs or, I don't know, try to find solutions in that mu. Honestly mate, if you're not Clem struggling with MaxPax and Classic on the previous patch, you should be fine.
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On October 26 2025 20:21 WombaT wrote:
I’ve long thought this makes sense, but I’d restrict it to unranked personally.
It would only ever make sense for unranked. You can't have people that are ranked in GM that only ever play a single match up that would be beyond stupid and defeat the entire purpose of even having a ranking system.
If people want to turn something like that on so they can practice a particular match up in unranked, then that'd be a different story. It would cause the entire ladder to experience longer queues if a ton of people started checking this stuff (I'd imagine Protoss would have an especially hard time finding matches because nobody would want to play against them) but again if it was kept to unranked only, then it might be a sparsely used feature that wouldnt have a big impact.
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Good idea for unranked vs unranked. A true unranked queue this makes a lot of sense. Or do it for ranked but have different mmrs for matchup.
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On October 28 2025 00:32 CicadaSC wrote:
Good idea for unranked vs unranked. A true unranked queue this makes a lot of sense. Or do it for ranked but have different mmrs for matchup.
That would cause chaos with the matchmaker. Now every player has not only a different MMR for each race they are playing but also a different MMR for every match up they're playing?
Exactly where do you fit a ranking system into that?
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Bisutopia19320 Posts
Thinking from make money point of view:
I think instead there should be a "boost matchup" option. Each day you could boost one match up for an hour. It makes it far more likely for you to get that matchup, but will still match you up with other races based on time wait and availability. If you use your daily boost, you could buy matchup booster packs.
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On October 26 2025 20:21 WombaT wrote:
I’ve long thought this makes sense, but I’d restrict it to unranked personally.
90% sure unranked players are able to queue into ranked GM's, don't think restricting it would solve anything in that regard.
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On October 28 2025 22:17 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2025 20:21 WombaT wrote:
I’ve long thought this makes sense, but I’d restrict it to unranked personally. 90% sure unranked players are able to queue into ranked GM's, don't think restricting it would solve anything in that regard.
Restricting the system to unranked play would prevent people inflating their ranked MMR by purposefully avoiding their weakest match-up(s).
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you absolutely could not have this ranked in any way, or at least not on the "main ladder". It would make ranks completely meaningless.
I would however support it in some sort of "training" mode. You wanna practice PvZ? You can do that in the training section and get matched with someone who wants to play ZvP. Each matchup would have to have its own ranking to keep things fair but it certainly wouldn't be part of the main ranking. The main ranking is for people who aren't pussies avoiding matchups.
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if there's a will, there's a way, kinda.
you could have 3x3 (or 4x4 allowing random, i'd delete it, let the comp roll the dice for you) MMRs for each matchup.
your resulting MMR for race X could be the average of XvP,XvT,XvZ, on the condition you should have a history of K+ games (K=5?) on each mode.
the race (current) MMR would be just a bold number to show on your profile.
whenever you would queue up normally, you would actually queue up for all 3 possible opponent races ( Y ) for an XvY match. the game could decide which match to accept if there is more than 1. in the easiest case you would go as soon as you have a 'good' match in one of the 3 searches. there would be only one queue, as currently is.
with the simple average it would not matter if you play ZvP only, as long as you have done enough games in other matchups as well to 'qualify' for that average MMR.
currently your MMR is distorted by the distribution of players.
if there are 10% Z, 30% T, 60% P, your XvP will have a bigger weight in your MMR than your XvZ.
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MMR per matchup is the way to go
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i'd play 20 games a day if it was just TvZ
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