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Stipulation
United States587 Posts
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
When you here fuck this and fuck that at 3PM on TV no one is going to make it a big deal. But yeah, I don't care either way. We get our Rated fun somewhere anyway, so people are not going to diss bigger tournaments if they try to be family friendly. Also, auto-mute if swedes are interviewed, the F-bomb is guaranteed. | ||
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Cajun2k1
Netherlands399 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:34 Chill wrote: I don't think it's unreasonable to ask casters not to drop f-bombs or other similar words. Outside of that I think almost anything is fine. I partly agree with you because of the following, let's say the swearing is a part of their persona. We all know casters who like to swear a bit. Let's take for example a caster who's show is aimed at the older teen audience (16-22). He get's asked to cast in a big tournament, then the tournament organizor should know what the caster's all about, because he'll take a part of his audience with him. And when he gets asked to tone it down a bit, it could dissapoint a part of the viewers who weren't expecting a change of persona. I hope you understand my reasoning because my english isn't the best. I find some casters pretty entertaining because of their swearing, and wouldn't like the down-toned version of them to cast, better to get a 'clean' caster then a toned-down one. | ||
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
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Semtext
Germany287 Posts
It is by Eminem, and the song is called "Who knew". It's all about US hypocrisy when it comes to the difference between violence and cursewords. + Show Spoiler + So who's bringin the guns in this country? (Hmm?) I couldn't sneak a plastic pellet gun through customs over in London And last week, I seen a Schwarzenegger movie where he's shootin all sorts of these motherfuckers with a uzi I see three little kids, up in the front row, screamin "Go," with their 17-year-old Uncle I'm like, "Guidance - ain't they got the same moms and dads who got mad when I asked if they liked violence?" And told me that my tape taught 'em to swear What about the make-up you allow your 12-year-old daughter to wear? (Hmm?) So tell me that your son doesn't know any cuss words when his bus driver's screamin at him, fuckin him up worse ("Go sit the fuck down, you little fuckin prick!") And fuck was the first word I ever learned up in the third grade, flippin the gym teacher the bird (Look!) | ||
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alepov
Netherlands1132 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:35 Longshank wrote: So you ask for PG rated casting on a T rated game? I guess it's a cultural thing but get worked up over some f-words while watching marines splatter all over the place seems odd to me. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:34 Chill wrote: I don't think it's unreasonable to ask casters not to drop f-bombs or other similar words. Outside of that I think almost anything is fine. How bad are f-bombs compared to "rape/d" in US-American Culture? In germany / most of continental europe an f-bomb is something you hear on TV / Radio all around the clock but the word "rape" would result in getting fired instantly. Just curious, because rape/d is really the only word I really have a problem with when listening to a cast (not personally but when reflecting upon how the general audience could receive that) | ||
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:09 Chill wrote: I agree with this and I think it's something all casters should take into account when commentating. More and more these days parents are getting their children involved in watching Starcraft. I think any major broadcast should keep things more or less PG. I still feel like user livestreams and streamed shows should be expected to have mature content. Should we sensor out the blood when a unit dies too? I'm a little lost as to why showing a young kid violence is better then letting him hear a curse word. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
BUT the biggest reason I have to disagree is that the game is rated at least 12+ (T in US) in every country that it is published. If you are allowing them to play/watch the game you are already assuming their level of responsibility to be of that level. I haven't played the SC2 campaign so I'm not sure how harsh the language is there, but the SC1 rating was reverted to T and it had pretty harsh language. I think it would be ridiculous to have the casts censored and watered down even more than the game itself. | ||
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Crais
Canada2136 Posts
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Fatalize
France5210 Posts
BTW, Starcraft is supposed to be 12+yo (at least in France), so i don't see why casters should force them to speak in a certain way, when every 12+yo person is used to harsh words and such ... | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:42 Bonkarooni wrote: Excatly. The game already has a rating, expect anything you watch that involves the game to be at that rating. I think you're being silly if you expect otherwise. Also, the f-bomb? one of your children is 12, I promise you some of his friends have said it already. He's going to learn the word eventually, I promise. That is what blew my mind. The game is rated T for Teens, which is age 13 and up. How can anyone let a 12 and 8 year old watch and probably even play the game, completely ignore the rating and then have the audacity to tell others, that they should follow his made-up standards. | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
I also agree with the above poster that "rape/d" should stop being used by casters immediately. I appreciate that the leaders of the SC community are pretty progressive and socially conscious in general but it makes me cringe every time Day[9] et al. use that word... I'd much rather my children hear 'shit' and 'fuck' than hear 'rape' being bandied about so casually. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:46 Pokebunny wrote: I would agree with you BUT the biggest reason I have to disagree is that the game is rated at least 12+ (T in US) in every country that it is published. If you are allowing them to play/watch the game you are already assuming their level of responsibility to be of that level. I haven't played the SC2 campaign so I'm not sure how harsh the language is there, but the SC1 rating was reverted to T and it had pretty harsh language. Goddamit poke, you beat me to the point I was going to bring up.... This game is already rated teen which implies it can have "infrequent use of strong language." I see most casters use naughty language infrequently as well. I don't think of it as a real issue unless they're dropping f-bombs all day which I never actually see used given I watch a lot of casted events. | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
 But overall - I kinda have to agree. I dont care if someone says "fuck" (or other light swearing) or something like that after winning, or if a caster is being slightly inappropiate (if kids get the sexual reference, well then it's too late anyway^^) once/twice in a cast. Some casters though just should watch their language. It sometimes seems too much swearing and I have the impression the casters goad each other to new limits. And it just gets awkward. | ||
Chill
Calgary25981 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:46 Bonkarooni wrote: Should we sensor out the blood when a unit dies too? I'm a little lost as to why showing a young kid violence is better then letting him hear a curse word. Just because there's one thing we can't control doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about what we can control. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25981 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:44 TBO wrote: How bad are f-bombs compared to "rape/d" in US-American Culture? In germany / most of continental europe an f-bomb is something you hear on TV / Radio all around the clock but the word "rape" would result in getting fired instantly. Just curious, because rape/d is really the only word I really have a problem with when listening to a cast (not personally but when reflecting upon how the general audience could receive that) Children would never hear fuck on TV or on the radio at normal hours. They would also never hear rape. After-hours they are more likely to hear fuck than rape. | ||
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:49 GagnarTheUnruly wrote: I agree with the OP. Why should casters feel entitled to swear? It's unprofessional and it doesn't improve the commentary in the slightest. Best to keep the commentary PG rated for a variety of reasons. I also agree with the above poster that "rape/d" should stop being used by casters immediately. I appreciate that the leaders of the SC community are pretty progressive and socially conscious in general but it makes me cringe every time Day[9] et al. use that word... I'd much rather my children hear 'shit' and 'fuck' than hear 'rape' being bandied about so casually. But you're okay with the fact that they watch death and violence on a constant basis? I would really like to hear the logic behind why shooting someone with a gun is okay to watch, but hearing bad words will somehow effect your kids in a negative way? | ||
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