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Starcraft 2 has outgrown the e-sports scene in Korea, evident in the growing number of big money tournaments internationally and only the one Code S prize pot being worth it.
The ironic thing to me is how the GSL was originally an open tournament with a great mystique of this tournament where you could work your butt off, travel to Korea, make it through grueling qualifiers and come out 80,000 dollars richer in a month. Now there is a "KESPA"-like setup with qualifiers, then Code A, then up and down, then Code S group play (now MSL style).
My own opinion, Blizzard reserves servers for competitive online play for LAN latency through a tunneling router of sorts, and we get cool holograms of the players as they fight each other, possibly host the finals in a major city each time, Seoul, then Stockholm, Los Angeles etc.
edited for horrid spelling.
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I hope PlayXP or some other Korean site translates the comments in this thread, there's some great trolling here, and after all we get translations for their trolling. 
On May 22 2011 06:56 LloydRays wrote:
Starcraft 2 has outgrown the e-sports scene in Korea, evident in the growing number of big money tournaments internationally and only the one Code S prize pot being worth it.
In terms of size, yes perhaps the international scene has outgrown the Korean. However, in terms of professionalism Korea is still dominant.
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On May 22 2011 07:00 Incanus wrote:I hope PlayXP or some other Korean site translates the comments in this thread, there's some great trolling here, and after all we get translations for their trolling. Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 06:56 LloydRays wrote:
Starcraft 2 has outgrown the e-sports scene in Korea, evident in the growing number of big money tournaments internationally and only the one Code S prize pot being worth it. In terms of size, yes perhaps the international scene has outgrown the Korean. However, in terms of professionalism Korea is still dominant.
WTF is professionalism and why does Korea dominate it?
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On May 22 2011 06:28 Prime`Rib wrote:
GSL may not offer much prize money, but the status that comes along with it is just ridiculous.
1. Look at gosucoaching, Idra is the only one offered the coaching rate at $150 and increased it to $300 because he wanted more time to practice.
2. Remember Jinro in first two GSL? He is pretty much nobody. Reaching to top 4 GSL and did well on the next one by beating oGs.MC, suddenly he become a national gaming hero that featured on a newspaper.
Instead of thinking blindly about money, pro-gamer should put another thought about baller-status by attending GSL.
Yeah this is true. GSL does make foreigners quite a bit more famous.
I was in fact a bit disappointed that Jinro was so obscure before attending GSL. I knew he was good and I'm glad more people recognize that now.
In terms of size, yes perhaps the international scene has outgrown the Korean. However, in terms of professionalism Korea is still dominant.
Yeah. Not only do their whole teams live and practice together all day, 6 days a week, but they grew up with StarCraft. It is taken extremely seriously over there.
If say for example what's seen in Korea (SC being a professional sport and many Korean teams practicing with each other in person all day) was the same in say, Germany, I have no doubt that the teams from this hypothetical German league would be overwhelmingly skilled as well.
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I think another reason is that the foreign pros want to continue the growth of the non korean scene. If all the top tier players just go to Korea to play in the GSL, then whats that saying about the tournaments elsewhere? Does that mean they are garbage? Then sponsors will stop sponsoring tournaments with large prize pools because everyone will be watching the GSL, and the non-korean tournaments will not be prestigious. So concentrating on non-korean tournaments will continue the growth of the non-korean. Along with the fact that there are tons more tournaments outside of korea, I dont see any compelling reason to go to Korea right now.
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It's sad to see people getting emo about some comments that were most likely poorly translated and taken out of context.
The fact is that gomtv want foreigners to participate in the gsl.
now instead of you b.itches moaning about it, give them big props since they are actually trying to give foreigners opportunities to make it in korea.
and sure they prolly could stay in the foreigner houses in korea.
User was warned for this post
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On May 22 2011 06:56 skrzmark wrote:
its kind of stupid that people don't want to go to korea. I mean how likely is it for a foreigner to win the tournaments at home? It's not like they're winning every tournament. I rather go to korea and make some money just for being in the tournament instead of going to MLG and getting knocked out in the first round earning no money, and actually losing money because of the flight and hotel expenses.
They are giving you a place to live in korea seriously... You can make 100 bucks in a day in a foreign online tournament... so you can in Code A also in the first day.
People shouldn't be going into tournaments without the attitude of winning. Foreigners go into foreign tournaments thinking they can win it, but they don't share that same attitude going into the GSL, because they know they can't win it.
Maybe players can fill in for Code A and commentate for it to make some money in Korea to help with their financial problems.
I encourage all foreign players to play in Korea, and do it for the experience, I mean Sen was living in IM when he qualified for GSL open 3 and probably got a lot of value out of it.
Your are only thinking about the tournaments and the money, like many other people in this thread. The fact of the matter is that to go to Korea and play, one would have to uproot his entire life and leave everything behind him and go to a country where they barely understand your language. It is a tough decision, and the ST is not a simple weekend tournament where you can simply go home once it's over. Pro gamers are PEOPLE for christs sake! So yeah, I totally agree. It would be the best decision to leave friends and wife/girlfriend behind, try to adapt to the Korean culture, get set up in a training house, while all the same leaving every competition they might be in behind, to play in the secondbest league in a tournament that is positively hostile towards any change in the status quo. Sounds effin brilliant to me.
And if the GSL really IS the premiere SC2 tournament, and is going to be that for a long time, then I'll go watch the MSL thank you very much. I won't argue that koreans are better in THAT tournament. As for anything SC2 however...
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On May 22 2011 07:12 DerNebel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 06:56 skrzmark wrote:
its kind of stupid that people don't want to go to korea. I mean how likely is it for a foreigner to win the tournaments at home? It's not like they're winning every tournament. I rather go to korea and make some money just for being in the tournament instead of going to MLG and getting knocked out in the first round earning no money, and actually losing money because of the flight and hotel expenses.
They are giving you a place to live in korea seriously... You can make 100 bucks in a day in a foreign online tournament... so you can in Code A also in the first day.
People shouldn't be going into tournaments without the attitude of winning. Foreigners go into foreign tournaments thinking they can win it, but they don't share that same attitude going into the GSL, because they know they can't win it.
Maybe players can fill in for Code A and commentate for it to make some money in Korea to help with their financial problems.
I encourage all foreign players to play in Korea, and do it for the experience, I mean Sen was living in IM when he qualified for GSL open 3 and probably got a lot of value out of it. Your are only thinking about the tournaments and the money, like many other people in this thread. The fact of the matter is that to go to Korea and play, one would have to uproot his entire life and leave everything behind him and go to a country where they barely understand your language. It is a tough decision, and the ST is not a simple weekend tournament where you can simply go home once it's over. Pro gamers are PEOPLE for christs sake! So yeah, I totally agree. It would be the best decision to leave friends and wife/girlfriend behind, try to adapt to the Korean culture, get set up in a training house, while all the same leaving every competition they might be in behind, to play in the secondbest league in a tournament that is positively hostile towards any change in the status quo. Sounds effin brilliant to me. And if the GSL really IS the premiere SC2 tournament, and is going to be that for a long time, then I'll go watch the MSL thank you very much. I won't argue that koreans are better in THAT tournament. As for anything SC2 however...
You have to leave all that stuff behind if you want to pursue your career, so many people move because of work y'know.
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Said it before and I'll say it again: In Sc2 by and large, Korea is just another country. Yes Korea obviously has some stand outs, but...give me a break..900 bucks for Ro32..in a 1 month long tournament. So I can get back SOME of the plane flight roundtrip..not to mention whatever it would cost for lodging for a month..and food..etc. So Maybe by Ro16 I can maybe break even and by Ro8 I'll make a buck. That leaves you with 8 players foreign and domestic that could win on any given day..sounds brilliant.
Short sightedness from gom and this super natural belief of Korea. Like I said I won't deny Korea has some fantastic players, but the god aura just isn't there anymore, not in this game. Frankly I don't even watch GSL anymore, I watch GSTL some, but the hours suck.
This is another case of a company trying to be ambitious, companies/tournaments need to focus on their respective regions and relax with the global thing. How many sports are actually global? Barely any.
Also, swap Korea and "everywhere else" Koreans wouldn't do it either, its not because they think they can't win, its because there are far more opportunities in more frequent amounts outside of Korea. Just a bitter guy from gom basing it off of skill and being so shortsighted to not include any other possibilities.
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On May 22 2011 07:16 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 07:12 DerNebel wrote:On May 22 2011 06:56 skrzmark wrote:
its kind of stupid that people don't want to go to korea. I mean how likely is it for a foreigner to win the tournaments at home? It's not like they're winning every tournament. I rather go to korea and make some money just for being in the tournament instead of going to MLG and getting knocked out in the first round earning no money, and actually losing money because of the flight and hotel expenses.
They are giving you a place to live in korea seriously... You can make 100 bucks in a day in a foreign online tournament... so you can in Code A also in the first day.
People shouldn't be going into tournaments without the attitude of winning. Foreigners go into foreign tournaments thinking they can win it, but they don't share that same attitude going into the GSL, because they know they can't win it.
Maybe players can fill in for Code A and commentate for it to make some money in Korea to help with their financial problems.
I encourage all foreign players to play in Korea, and do it for the experience, I mean Sen was living in IM when he qualified for GSL open 3 and probably got a lot of value out of it. Your are only thinking about the tournaments and the money, like many other people in this thread. The fact of the matter is that to go to Korea and play, one would have to uproot his entire life and leave everything behind him and go to a country where they barely understand your language. It is a tough decision, and the ST is not a simple weekend tournament where you can simply go home once it's over. Pro gamers are PEOPLE for christs sake! So yeah, I totally agree. It would be the best decision to leave friends and wife/girlfriend behind, try to adapt to the Korean culture, get set up in a training house, while all the same leaving every competition they might be in behind, to play in the secondbest league in a tournament that is positively hostile towards any change in the status quo. Sounds effin brilliant to me. And if the GSL really IS the premiere SC2 tournament, and is going to be that for a long time, then I'll go watch the MSL thank you very much. I won't argue that koreans are better in THAT tournament. As for anything SC2 however... You have to leave all that stuff behind if you want to pursue your career, so many people move because of work y'know.
What does this even mean? Some people do it so everyone should do it too?
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A one month long qualify tournament with such a small prize pool is why code A will be heavily rejected by high placing MLG players with exceptions of players like Naaniwa who have said they would like to go. Also, it is very difficult to get a team of players to korea on short notice, i think perhaps with world championship they had better luck getting response from sponsors quickly?
regardless, the foreigners aren't going, not much to be done now
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Lol @ this thread. Korea>>>>>>>foreign scene ainec. If there was a foreigner on the level of nestea, mc, mvp, bomber etc, then they would go to korea for the chance to win 80k a month. MC and Nestea have made over 200k just from gsl since september. Even guys like Thewind and anypro have made more in prize money than every foreigner who hasnt gone to korea
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On May 22 2011 07:05 Bear4188 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 07:00 Incanus wrote:I hope PlayXP or some other Korean site translates the comments in this thread, there's some great trolling here, and after all we get translations for their trolling. On May 22 2011 06:56 LloydRays wrote:
Starcraft 2 has outgrown the e-sports scene in Korea, evident in the growing number of big money tournaments internationally and only the one Code S prize pot being worth it. In terms of size, yes perhaps the international scene has outgrown the Korean. However, in terms of professionalism Korea is still dominant. WTF is professionalism and why does Korea dominate it?
Production values of GSL >>>> Production values of NASL/MLG combined
The only foreign tourney to come close is Dreamhack, which does not run perpetually like GSL.
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I agree with and respect the views of Mr. Chae to a certain extent however I think that all parties just need to communicate better in the formulation of events i.e. plan events 6 months to a year ahead so that all parties can arrange their schedules in a manner that allows participation.
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On May 22 2011 07:37 425kid wrote:
Lol @ this thread. Korea>>>>>>>foreign scene ainec. If there was a foreigner on the level of nestea, mc, mvp, bomber etc, then they would go to korea for the chance to win 80k a month. MC and Nestea have made over 200k just from gsl since september. Even guys like Thewind and anypro have made more in prize money than every foreigner who hasnt gone to korea
This.
If you have enough skill, theres no reason to refuse.
92k for a month? Hell yeah! take that and come back to your country..
if you're not, you don't have to go to Korea.
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Code A has to be more like courage...over one weekend with a 5k prize pot. That way foreigners can go out and participate and then know whether they have a shot in Korea over the course of 72 hrs. Living there a month just to lose in up down is shitty.
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On May 22 2011 07:30 fraktoasters wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 07:16 skrzmark wrote:On May 22 2011 07:12 DerNebel wrote:On May 22 2011 06:56 skrzmark wrote:
its kind of stupid that people don't want to go to korea. I mean how likely is it for a foreigner to win the tournaments at home? It's not like they're winning every tournament. I rather go to korea and make some money just for being in the tournament instead of going to MLG and getting knocked out in the first round earning no money, and actually losing money because of the flight and hotel expenses.
They are giving you a place to live in korea seriously... You can make 100 bucks in a day in a foreign online tournament... so you can in Code A also in the first day.
People shouldn't be going into tournaments without the attitude of winning. Foreigners go into foreign tournaments thinking they can win it, but they don't share that same attitude going into the GSL, because they know they can't win it.
Maybe players can fill in for Code A and commentate for it to make some money in Korea to help with their financial problems.
I encourage all foreign players to play in Korea, and do it for the experience, I mean Sen was living in IM when he qualified for GSL open 3 and probably got a lot of value out of it. Your are only thinking about the tournaments and the money, like many other people in this thread. The fact of the matter is that to go to Korea and play, one would have to uproot his entire life and leave everything behind him and go to a country where they barely understand your language. It is a tough decision, and the ST is not a simple weekend tournament where you can simply go home once it's over. Pro gamers are PEOPLE for christs sake! So yeah, I totally agree. It would be the best decision to leave friends and wife/girlfriend behind, try to adapt to the Korean culture, get set up in a training house, while all the same leaving every competition they might be in behind, to play in the secondbest league in a tournament that is positively hostile towards any change in the status quo. Sounds effin brilliant to me. And if the GSL really IS the premiere SC2 tournament, and is going to be that for a long time, then I'll go watch the MSL thank you very much. I won't argue that koreans are better in THAT tournament. As for anything SC2 however... You have to leave all that stuff behind if you want to pursue your career, so many people move because of work y'know. What does this even mean? Some people do it so everyone should do it too?
It means that if it's truly something you want to do, like become the very best in what is considered the highest echelon of competitive SC2, then man up and make the sacrifices instead of expecting things to be handed to you on a silver platter.
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On May 22 2011 07:55 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 07:30 fraktoasters wrote:On May 22 2011 07:16 skrzmark wrote:On May 22 2011 07:12 DerNebel wrote:On May 22 2011 06:56 skrzmark wrote:
its kind of stupid that people don't want to go to korea. I mean how likely is it for a foreigner to win the tournaments at home? It's not like they're winning every tournament. I rather go to korea and make some money just for being in the tournament instead of going to MLG and getting knocked out in the first round earning no money, and actually losing money because of the flight and hotel expenses.
They are giving you a place to live in korea seriously... You can make 100 bucks in a day in a foreign online tournament... so you can in Code A also in the first day.
People shouldn't be going into tournaments without the attitude of winning. Foreigners go into foreign tournaments thinking they can win it, but they don't share that same attitude going into the GSL, because they know they can't win it.
Maybe players can fill in for Code A and commentate for it to make some money in Korea to help with their financial problems.
I encourage all foreign players to play in Korea, and do it for the experience, I mean Sen was living in IM when he qualified for GSL open 3 and probably got a lot of value out of it. Your are only thinking about the tournaments and the money, like many other people in this thread. The fact of the matter is that to go to Korea and play, one would have to uproot his entire life and leave everything behind him and go to a country where they barely understand your language. It is a tough decision, and the ST is not a simple weekend tournament where you can simply go home once it's over. Pro gamers are PEOPLE for christs sake! So yeah, I totally agree. It would be the best decision to leave friends and wife/girlfriend behind, try to adapt to the Korean culture, get set up in a training house, while all the same leaving every competition they might be in behind, to play in the secondbest league in a tournament that is positively hostile towards any change in the status quo. Sounds effin brilliant to me. And if the GSL really IS the premiere SC2 tournament, and is going to be that for a long time, then I'll go watch the MSL thank you very much. I won't argue that koreans are better in THAT tournament. As for anything SC2 however... You have to leave all that stuff behind if you want to pursue your career, so many people move because of work y'know. What does this even mean? Some people do it so everyone should do it too? It means that if it's truly something you want to do, like become the very best in what is considered the highest echelon of competitive SC2, then man up and make the sacrifices instead of expecting things to be handed to you on a silver platter.
There's a thing called logistics and it simply isnt worth it. The foreign scene is more than good enough for competition and Koreans are fine on their own. They can have a korean only GSL and it wouldnt really matter much. The game is so volatile right now it has nothing to do with not being good enough, it has to do with the fact players like nestea/MVP can be in danger of going to code A in any season even though they're objectively the best of the best. GOM is doing great, but because players dont have salaries it's too risky to miss out on tournaments that pay well or with better balance in regards to the prize pool.
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On May 22 2011 07:45 namedplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 07:37 425kid wrote:
Lol @ this thread. Korea>>>>>>>foreign scene ainec. If there was a foreigner on the level of nestea, mc, mvp, bomber etc, then they would go to korea for the chance to win 80k a month. MC and Nestea have made over 200k just from gsl since september. Even guys like Thewind and anypro have made more in prize money than every foreigner who hasnt gone to korea This. If you have enough skill, theres no reason to refuse. 92k for a month? Hell yeah! take that and come back to your country.. if you're not, you don't have to go to Korea.
Gosh, you might consider the teeny tiny factor that there's a CHANCE of not winning. Yes the reward would be great but there's a reason there's this concept called risk vs. reward...
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It's really simple to understand why foreigners don't really care about spending a month in Korea to make pennies. There are simply enough tournaments in NA scene , for instance, to sustain pro gamers. Now before we had IPL and NASL going to Korea wasn't a hard decision. Now that we have tournaments and GSL has to actually compete with the west for players we get this nonsense reply. So I ask anyone at GOM tv would you rather go to IPL and in a week or two have a shot at $50k prize pool or go through the trouble of going to Korea for a month for much much less for one tournament? Solution is drop code A and have two separate tournaments.
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