EPTGomTV caster's answer to foreigners' rejection - Page 9
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dar0za
Canada74 Posts
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Datum
United States371 Posts
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:27 coddan wrote: That's a pretty dumb thing to say. They have jobs. Professional gaming, maybe you've heard of it. Something is a job the moment you earn a certain and constant sum of money each month (price money != monthly pay). If you don't earn money by playing a video game all day, you're just an amateur. To be honest, if somebody really considers playing video games professionally while not earning at LEAST $/€1500 a month he/she should set his/her priorities straight. | ||
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
On May 22 2011 05:06 DirtYLOu wrote: No they don't. I don't know why people really are saying that all the fucking time. BW is mainly only in Proleague. Then OSL and MSL. SC2 can be only in GSTL and GSL tournaments EASILY. People forget that sc2 in Korea is getting bigger and bigger, more pros from BW are switching, and more people tune in to watch GSL. GSL leagues can be ENOUGH, because they are LAN tournaments. Not like we have Online tournaments, that are only 2-3 days long.( The only exception is NASL and IPL, but THEY ARE ONLINE not OFFLINE as GSL is.) I still feel like Korea is the meccha of Starcraft, And just few months of ONLINE tournaments WON'T change my mind that easily, cuz the SPIRIT of esports is still in Korea. PS. I'm not saying that I'm against MLG, or any other great Tournaments around the world. All I'm saying is that we are looking at Korea right now as THE SECOND CHOICE, where how i feel should be the other way around since we DON'T KNOW how things will go on after the HYPE about SC2. PSS. And I'm as surprised as GOMTV's Casters. But we will see in few years how it's going to be, I hope all of us will be happy, and won't regret acting like that to Korea. The SC2 situation is different from BW, so don't compare the two like that. Korea may of had a lead on the gaming culture, but it now has more of a competition, especially in Starcraft 2. If GOM wants to attract foreigners, then they need way more than what they are currently offering. Seeds/spots to their tournaments are nice. However, they are not nice enough to warrant the investment going into just one or two tournaments at most, when they can invest somewhere else for more opportunities. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
Split it into 3 big 50,000 tourneys that are placed every 2 weeks or so. Bam, foreigners are not interested, because if they lose they don't have to wait a month to play again -_- | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 22 2011 05:02 NicolBolas wrote: People gotta eat. And that requires money these days. "Love of the competition" and "fame and glory" don't pay the bills and put food on the table. That's not entirely true, though. Look at Tyler for example - there are probably SC2 players I've never even heard of with better results than him in the last year, yet even to this day he has a cult following, is on one of the better foreign teams and is probably paid to play more than those other players who have done better than him, plus he has a personal sponsorship on the side. A lot of it has to do with him getting to the Courage finals a few years ago in a different game and beating Idra and Mondragon in TSL2 (more so than actually winning that TSL), as well as his exposure in the community. It propelled him to Legend status, and no matter how poorly he does in SC2, he'll always have a future in e-sports. Compare that to a bunch of players (some even very well known) who very successfully compete in online tournaments and win a decent amount of prize money, but if their ID doesn't show up in the medal lists for a couple of months, everyone forgets they exist (including the sponsors). Is their future in e-sports guaranteed? I wouldn't be so sure. Especially in Starcraft 2, as there's already an oversaturation of online and small tournament players, and players who are (or have genuine potential to be) top progamers will just end up drowning in that ocean. It's very hard for progamers to live just on prize money - exposure and public recognition is very important for their future. Yet a lot of players throw away the chance to compete in the best SC2 tournament to date just like that - a chance that a lot of foreigners in BW would have killed for by the way - because they don't want to dedicate a month or two (with preparation) and try to make their mark. It's either lack of ambition or lack of skill, however you look at it. | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
On May 22 2011 05:41 maartendq wrote: Something is a job the moment you earn a certain and constant sum of money each month (price money != monthly pay). If you don't earn money by playing a video game all day, you're just an amateur. To be honest, if somebody really considers playing video games professionally while not earning at LEAST $/€1500 a month he/she should set his/her priorities straight. Haha, I didn't know you had that kind of insight into team salaries, stream or coaching revenue and sponsorships! Don't I look silly now. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On May 22 2011 05:50 coddan wrote: Haha, I didn't know you had that kind of insight into team salaries, stream or coaching revenue and sponsorships! Don't I look silly now. I don't know, but I'm quite sure that I earn a lot more than most SC2 pro-gamers while actually NOT having to "work" 10 hours a day for it. AFAIK, most SC2 teams don't have salaries, let alone sponsorships by companies that actually matter (talking about companies like Samsung here, not about Razer and TLAF) and can put aside $/€50k each month to keep a pro-team running (food, computers, house rent, electricity and gas bills, representation costs, flights, salaries etc.). It doesn't take a genius to realize that. | ||
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namedplayer
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machination
United States175 Posts
Players are likely worried about playing an opponent who executes some new, well refined all-in in the early rounds. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On May 22 2011 05:57 namedplayer wrote: I don't want mediocre foreigners to compete GSL.. no foreigners in GSL is perfectly fine for me if THEY AREN'T GOOD AS GOOD AS MVP,BOMBER. You realize that MVP lost to a foreigner in the Gom World Team league thing right? | ||
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
The same fact means that in the wealthier countries like Germany nearly nobody plays full time. Some pause their studies for a year or something but that's about it, there's nearly nobody who plays full time. Easily for two considerations: one, you don't get the best CV from pro gaming and two, it just doesn't pay nearly as well as working. Considering the average household has something like 2500€ a month, who's there to blame them. And we have to remember, it's not your standard retard to play at highest levels but the intelligent and dedicated... I believe we have exactly two full time players in the german SC2 scene, that would be Cloud (who's from Italy) and Xlord if he were to actually delay his studies which isn't even clear yet. TLO of course is in Sweden right now. Socke, Hasuobs, Darkforce, Mondragon...they all study full time. So the money alone is not really the big consideration, which in turn means that giving up studies or job to go to Korea for over a month is probably not in their interest. Would be cool, but not feasible. What we're left with is a mainly amateur scene in some countries and a professional but limited scene in others with nobody really wanting to commit to going to Korea. It's a cool thing, it can be a dream, it's nothing for the boring, realistically thinking people. My personal conclusion is that we need maybe one or two big events a year to bring the communities together and apart from that mainly stuff like league play and smaller local tournaments. That would also help the korean scene where everybody lower than Code S is kinda screwed. There is a reason why it works this way in football. | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
On May 22 2011 03:50 illsick wrote: If you stay the whole 1 month time, that means you are pretty deep into the tournament. If you get knocked out early, you go home early. I would like to see what kind of money some of the foreigners are making within a month time. If they are worried about the sacrifices, maybe they shouldn't become progamers as most can make more money with regular occupations. I dont think you know how expensive it can be to book a flight home on short notice. | ||
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namedplayer
844 Posts
On May 22 2011 05:59 iCCup.Diamond wrote: You realize that MVP lost to a foreigner in the Gom World Team league thing right? no I don't. what was that? BO1? edit: Ah i see, you were talking about Dimaga vs mvp.. -_-; anyway mvp interviewed that he used old build(old patch) build in order to hide his new build for real tournament. and anyone can take BO1. | ||
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
Please just give up now and save this thread from more inane bullshit where one person thinks some player is better than another player and blah blah blah, NO ONE GIVES A FLYING SHIT ABOUT YOUR OR MY OPINION ON THE RELATIVE SKILL OF PLAYERS. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
On May 22 2011 05:59 iCCup.Diamond wrote: You realize that MVP lost to a foreigner in the Gom World Team league thing right? You realize that the Gom World Team League had no prize pool right? The result of the 1v1 format speak for itself, where money was actually involved. | ||
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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On May 22 2011 05:59 iCCup.Diamond wrote: You realize that MVP lost to a foreigner in the Gom World Team league thing right? Yet he won the part of the tournament that mattered/wasn't just for fun. Even MC said he didn't try his best in the team match. | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On May 22 2011 05:27 Gheed wrote: If you're in Korea, you can't play with your team. Sen does it (although he's from taiwan but same concept), or you can be like liquid and have other players from same team to go. What is it like ~6hr time difference for EU/KR same difference with NA/EU; there are some teams with cross region team members eg. select/dignitas and demuslim/EG. On May 22 2011 05:27 Gheed wrote: If you're in Korea, you can't participate in foreign tournaments (without lag or shelling out massive amounts of money in airline tickets). Jinro, Huk, MC can do it. Lots of Korean players are doing well in NASL. There's only like 1 NA tournament in MLG and europeans are flying out there to participate for first place $5k prize pot. Like the same price of airline tickets to go to Korea. On May 22 2011 05:27 Gheed wrote: If you're in Korea, you can't make as much money streaming because of the time difference. Huk and Sen are some of the more popular streams On May 22 2011 05:27 Gheed wrote: If you're in Korea, you make very little in the way of prize money unless you happen to be in code S and place highly. isn't that like any other tournament? The high placers get the $$$ | ||
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
Believe it or not, the world doesn't revolve around fucking Korea, I hope they keep making asses of themselves and people just keep shunning the GSL. E-sports is worldwide now bitches, adapt or GTFO. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On May 22 2011 05:59 iCCup.Diamond wrote: You realize that MVP lost to a foreigner in the Gom World Team league thing right? you realize that it was just one game right? and did you forget he won the championships a week later? lol | ||
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