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When did we got so arrogant?
Foreign scene outgrowing the Korean one?The one who has tourney with a very large prize pool running semi permanently? The one where the matches are done in a TV studio? Are we really going to say that just because some new foreign leagues?
Hell, tbh GSL is still the highest paying tourney, if pros are so confident that the skill gap is not small then why they prefer to stay and play in small tournaments which don't pay that much? I am not saying that the Koreans are much better, but at least I respect that they take the game more seriously than us. And they are giving players a good opportunity to try out for the highest paid SC2 tournament and people are getting mad at them?
Seriously, what the hell? I can respect that they don't want to go due to personal reasons but attending GSL if you are confident in your chances is more than worthy
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There's more money outside Korea, simple as that. It's pretty easy to understand. They have to realize GSL isn't everything infact it's simple not enough for an entire World of players.
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This is more or less my personal opinion.
SC2's Pro Scene compared to BW Pro Scene is 2 different things. I think GSL believes the skill level are far above others in the Foreign scene. Which in fact is wrong. They aren't BW Pros, whom absolutely destroyed the BW scene. They barely won the WC too, don't know what makes him think he has the right to brag...
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if pros are so confident that the skill gap is not small then why they prefer to stay and play in small tournaments which don't pay that much?
In KR you get one shot at real money every month. Outside you get a couple shots at not quite as much money. Seems to me like it's a LOT safer to choose the second option. Anything lower than ro16 code S doesn't really cut it money wise anyway.
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Wow this thread is getting out of control. So much cockiness from the foreign scene 
Also people seem obsessed with money over here, that's really sad and unhealthy for the competition.
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On May 22 2011 02:33 Karthane wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 02:29 Jombozeus wrote:Mr. Chae also spoke about his opinion on providing code S spot for foreign players. "I don't think GSL is same level as MLG. I believe foreign fans also think same as me. There is notable difference between the seed for Koreans to MLG Championship and the seed for foreigners to GSL code S Are we really saying that Inca is more skillful than say naniwa? Code S is being VERY disappointing for Mr. GOMTV to make such a statement. Also considering that koreans dropped like flies in the Chinese Gigabyte tournament, their bragging rights is down the drain. Obviously there may be a certain few players that don't fit stereotype, but i think we can all agree that Code S is the highest level of SC2 that a viewer can watch right now.
Absolutely not.
It's single elimination so the games aren't even comparable to that of say an MLG finals or any Finals where it pits up two equally skilled players together.
Getting into Code S may be difficult but the games I have seen so far are nothing spectacular and the GSL really needs to do something to change that or some people will just stop watching altogether.
I've already slown down my viewing of the GSL broadcasts because they always turn into one-sided fights, meaning that one player didn't prepare enough or wasn't good enough for the matchup. It never happens at MLG.
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Mr. Chae sounds like a Korean pubert talking about how great his dad is compared to other kids... what an idiotic and irresponsable response to Xeris' post.
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Obviously people will decline. With travel/accommodation they may have to pay, and the weeks they have to stay there, with a minimum prize of only $900 (compared to $2700 from before) makes it a lot less inviting.
I doubt the top foreigners are worried about being a lower skill, it just takes a huge time commitment and in worst case can yield little.
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On May 22 2011 08:10 TheOne85 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 02:33 Karthane wrote:On May 22 2011 02:29 Jombozeus wrote:Mr. Chae also spoke about his opinion on providing code S spot for foreign players. "I don't think GSL is same level as MLG. I believe foreign fans also think same as me. There is notable difference between the seed for Koreans to MLG Championship and the seed for foreigners to GSL code S Are we really saying that Inca is more skillful than say naniwa? Code S is being VERY disappointing for Mr. GOMTV to make such a statement. Also considering that koreans dropped like flies in the Chinese Gigabyte tournament, their bragging rights is down the drain. Obviously there may be a certain few players that don't fit stereotype, but i think we can all agree that Code S is the highest level of SC2 that a viewer can watch right now. Absolutely not. It's single elimination so the games aren't even comparable to that of say an MLG finals or any Finals where it pits up two equally skilled players together. Getting into Code S may be difficult but the games I have seen so far are nothing spectacular and the GSL really needs to do something to change that or some people will just stop watching altogether. I've already slown down my viewing of the GSL broadcasts because they always turn into one-sided fights, meaning that one player didn't prepare enough or wasn't good enough for the matchup. It never happens at MLG.
Because you can't even view MLG broadcasts cuz of stream failures that's why it never happens. lol
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On May 22 2011 08:10 AlBundy wrote:Wow this thread is getting out of control. So much cockiness from the foreign scene Also people seem obsessed with money over here, that's really sad and unhealthy for the competition.
It's not cockiness it's that we are lucky enough to have our own leagues in the West. So some of us might come off jaded about anyone going to Korea to compete. In the end it's the player decision to go.
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Moving to a new country with a lower standard of living than what I'm used to in order to play in a tournament that will net less money than playing the EU scene is why. Also, assuming you believe the Koreans are that much better than forgeigners you're also going up against stiffer competition which further lessens your chance of making money and placing high.
On May 22 2011 08:10 AlBundy wrote:Wow this thread is getting out of control. So much cockiness from the foreign scene Also people seem obsessed with money over here, that's really sad and unhealthy for the competition.
It's not cockiness. It's the fact of live. You need money to survive unless you want to be a beggar and live on the street or with your parents. I hate money as much as anyone, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to the necessity of it.
edit: I think the fact that you have to pay for GSL while there is a TON of free content is hurting GSL. I've missed a lot of games because of this and the more GSL games i miss, the less I care about it. It's like when you watch a TV series and miss a couple episodes, it's hard to get back into without seeing the ones you missed except with TV you can DVR it and watch it later. GSL if you miss it and you didn't pay you're never going to see it.
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On May 22 2011 08:17 skrzmark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 08:10 TheOne85 wrote:On May 22 2011 02:33 Karthane wrote:On May 22 2011 02:29 Jombozeus wrote:Mr. Chae also spoke about his opinion on providing code S spot for foreign players. "I don't think GSL is same level as MLG. I believe foreign fans also think same as me. There is notable difference between the seed for Koreans to MLG Championship and the seed for foreigners to GSL code S Are we really saying that Inca is more skillful than say naniwa? Code S is being VERY disappointing for Mr. GOMTV to make such a statement. Also considering that koreans dropped like flies in the Chinese Gigabyte tournament, their bragging rights is down the drain. Obviously there may be a certain few players that don't fit stereotype, but i think we can all agree that Code S is the highest level of SC2 that a viewer can watch right now. Absolutely not. It's single elimination so the games aren't even comparable to that of say an MLG finals or any Finals where it pits up two equally skilled players together. Getting into Code S may be difficult but the games I have seen so far are nothing spectacular and the GSL really needs to do something to change that or some people will just stop watching altogether. I've already slown down my viewing of the GSL broadcasts because they always turn into one-sided fights, meaning that one player didn't prepare enough or wasn't good enough for the matchup. It never happens at MLG. Because you can't even view MLG broadcasts cuz of stream failures that's why it never happens. lol
Yeah, because viewing a stream means the match never takes place. Please stop trolling and respond in a way that isn't religiously stupid.
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On May 22 2011 07:45 namedplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 07:37 425kid wrote:
Lol @ this thread. Korea>>>>>>>foreign scene ainec. If there was a foreigner on the level of nestea, mc, mvp, bomber etc, then they would go to korea for the chance to win 80k a month. MC and Nestea have made over 200k just from gsl since september. Even guys like Thewind and anypro have made more in prize money than every foreigner who hasnt gone to korea This. If you have enough skill, theres no reason to refuse. 92k for a month? Hell yeah! take that and come back to your country.. if you're not, you don't have to go to Korea.
The game is too volatile to actually guarantee anyone who considers himself the best to go and simply win... you'd have to stay there for at least a year to get an even field with the koreans and have a chance. Even Iron -- who was considered the best P since the beta -- took 3 seasons to win his first GSL.
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On May 22 2011 08:17 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 08:10 AlBundy wrote:Wow this thread is getting out of control. So much cockiness from the foreign scene Also people seem obsessed with money over here, that's really sad and unhealthy for the competition. It's not cockiness it's that we are lucky enough to have our own leagues in the West.
Which leagues? Are you talking about these online prerecorded leagues, like IPL or even better, NASL, where the competition is a farce? Or maybe are you talking about these once every two months unwatchable leagues, like MLG and its absolutely shitty format? Please enlighten me.
I don't get why people are content with this kind of product. We, the foreign scene, the West as you call it, deserve better. At the moment we don't have any reason to get "cocky".
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On May 22 2011 08:05 Seraphic wrote:
This is more or less my personal opinion.
SC2's Pro Scene compared to BW Pro Scene is 2 different things. I think GSL believes the skill level are far above others in the Foreign scene. Which in fact is wrong. They aren't BW Pros, whom absolutely destroyed the BW scene. They barely won the WC too, don't know what makes him think he has the right to brag...
you mean WC team league that korean barely won
wasnt it clear that from many players korean or foreigner player interviews that koreans werent playing seriously?
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On May 22 2011 08:21 AlBundy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 08:17 Baarn wrote:On May 22 2011 08:10 AlBundy wrote:Wow this thread is getting out of control. So much cockiness from the foreign scene Also people seem obsessed with money over here, that's really sad and unhealthy for the competition. It's not cockiness it's that we are lucky enough to have our own leagues in the West. Which leagues? Are you talking about these online prerecorded leagues, like IPL or even better, NASL, where the competition is a farce? Or maybe are you talking about these once every two months unwatchable leagues, like MLG and its absolutely shitty format? Please enlighten me. I don't get why people are content with this kind of product. We, the foreign scene, the West as you call it, deserve better. At the moment we don't have any reason to get "cocky".
If you don't like IPL, NASL or MLG then don't watch it. I don't particularly like GSL so I don't watch it, but I don't go trolling in the GSL pages commenting how shitty their finals were..
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On May 22 2011 08:00 windsupernova wrote:
if pros are so confident that the skill gap is not small then why they prefer to stay and play in small tournaments which don't pay that much?
There are more tournaments in EU. You can make more money per hour played in EU.
On May 22 2011 08:00 windsupernova wrote:...try out for the highest paid SC2 tournament and people are getting mad at them?
Code A pays very little. IdrA makes more streaming in a month than the #1 code A guy gets for winning the "hardest sc2 tournament around".
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mod might as well close this thread srsly
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On May 22 2011 08:00 windsupernova wrote:
When did we got so arrogant?
Foreign scene outgrowing the Korean one?The one who has tourney with a very large prize pool running semi permanently? The one where the matches are done in a TV studio? Are we really going to say that just because some new foreign leagues?
Hell, tbh GSL is still the highest paying tourney, if pros are so confident that the skill gap is not small then why they prefer to stay and play in small tournaments which don't pay that much? I am not saying that the Koreans are much better, but at least I respect that they take the game more seriously than us. And they are giving players a good opportunity to try out for the highest paid SC2 tournament and people are getting mad at them?
Seriously, what the hell? I can respect that they don't want to go due to personal reasons but attending GSL if you are confident in your chances is more than worthy
A tv studio? gomtv isn't on tv, its usually done in a gymnasium. Oh and let's not forget, if a Korean loses in this tournament they drive home and spend some gas..if anyone else internationally comes to visit? He burns up well over a grand just to compete. If a Korean drives and spends 20 bucks on gas(a stretch) and wins he can get 900 bucks..cha ching. If a foriegner spends 1300 on a flight and wins 900 bucks..he still loses 400 bucks..on top of lodging on top of a month of time..cha...no..its terrible.
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On May 22 2011 08:21 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 07:45 namedplayer wrote:On May 22 2011 07:37 425kid wrote:
Lol @ this thread. Korea>>>>>>>foreign scene ainec. If there was a foreigner on the level of nestea, mc, mvp, bomber etc, then they would go to korea for the chance to win 80k a month. MC and Nestea have made over 200k just from gsl since september. Even guys like Thewind and anypro have made more in prize money than every foreigner who hasnt gone to korea This. If you have enough skill, theres no reason to refuse. 92k for a month? Hell yeah! take that and come back to your country.. if you're not, you don't have to go to Korea. The game is too volatile to actually guarantee anyone who considers himself the best to go and simply win... you'd have to stay there for at least a year to get an even field with the koreans and have a chance. Even Iron -- who was considered the best P since the beta -- took 3 seasons to win his first GSL.
Tester/Trickster or Genius were considered the best tosses in beta/early seasons probably all the way up to when MC won actually.
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