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On May 13 2011 16:12 LITTLEHEAD wrote:
if you're referencing wikipedia for your points, idk how much you should take from what he says
Well, it's about sports commentary, not quantum mechanics. I don't think you can just pull out a list of references for play-by-play commentary that people would call legit or "scholarly". It's not as if he's got a bad argument anyway, if you try to digest what TB wrote.
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Anyway, I really don't see the point as to why TB really needs to go at length about it though. People enjoy IdrA and he's one of the few exceptions when it comes to monotonous casting.
I'd sort of liken it to listening to Hubie Brown calling NBA games. He doesn't stick out like when Marv Albert goes "YES" but he really calls games beautifully.
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He's not slamming IdrA but the sad part is I'd rather listen to IdrA's attempt as a caster than TotalBiscuit's "developed" play-by-play commentary any day of the week.
He tries to hard and it never seems to flow naturally. Not my cup of tea at all - but thankfully there is a mute button.
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On May 13 2011 16:21 Swineflew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 16:15 Atlare wrote:On May 13 2011 16:13 Itzli wrote:
TB wasn't really bashing Idra, he was more on the line of saying he is not a good caster but is more of a colour-commentator which is kind of different from a caster. Idra does the analytical stuff while a caster is more of a play by play kind of thing. There 2 different kinds of casting. Thank god somebody else in this thread who can read and not automatically assume TB is being an ass. I guess I should have picked out the 1..... "compliment" in the article and ignored the other 5 paragraphs as to why he is a bad caster, which I don't agree with, hence the post. If Husky is a good caster compared to IdrA, than I guess my view of a good caster is skewed and I'm in the minority.
If i was privy to sports like Soccer or Football I'd give examples of the different styles and their respective commentators.
I'm not saying either caster is inferior, but each appeals to different groups of people (with alot of people liking both I might add) since some people want information and cool tips in their entertainment, while others would want to watch Starcraft 2 VOD's like they would watch a horserace or game of footy on a weekend (Hence TB's commentating style of quick speech and excitable personality) which is meant to hype you up and entertain you no matter what's happening in the game.
Its not about who is better -.-
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Such a misleading title. Why such a bullshit claim? He didn't slam his casting at all. I took the time to read the entire piece by TB, and the context around it -- did you? He made some really important points about the whole business of casting, analysis, and esports. He didn't 'slam' Idra at all, in fact he broke down his commentary style and provided reference material to support his claims. I would expect Idra would largely agree with what TB said about him in specific.
Please consider having a title that accurately matches the content of the thread. I know form experience, as a mod came down on me on TL for the same type of offense (they were right to do so).
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On May 13 2011 16:11 Atlare wrote:Well with a misleading title and one line description of how you feel I recommend you actually think about what Totalbiscuit said. Show nested quote +IdrA is a colour-commentator. He fits all the criteria, he is analytical, he is there to provide background and extensive game knowledge, based on experience as a current/ex-player. He is there to fill in time when the play-by-play commentator is not talking and as a knowledgeable resource to back up the play-by-play commentator, who is more often than not, not a professional player/coach/ex-player, but a professional broadcaster.
Thats not slamming IdrA, thats comparing IdrA to a category in which he is already put in but the vocal minority doesn't really understand the different between Colour and Play by play and the values/advantages of each. I think anybody trying to say IdrA is an amazing Play by Play poster is a fan boy and probably below average in the intelligence department and Totalbiscuit for Colour commentary is similar (ie. you shouldn't arguing that he can anaylse as effectively as say Day[9] or IdrA). This isn't IdrA hate its Totalbiscuit trying to debunk the stupid fanboyism that's been shown by trolling him constantly.
Sadly after you made this statement, people reinforce your statement on the ignorance of the vocal minority. We all know Idra has excellent analysis skills, but again, a casual would be bored as they would not understand the depth of Idra's analysis and his monotonous voice. More experienced SC2 players are going to be drawn in by the analysis and overlook the monotony with ease. Casuals cannot. A simple analogy would be listening to Idra's analysis (from a casual's perspective) would be like listening to a teacher lecture in class, not fun/enjoyable.
TB has the charisma that Idra lacks, but does not possess the same level of game knowledge, hence he admits he is in the position of a play-by-player commentator.
I find it difficult that so many people cannot comprehend something so simple and well-defined several times in this thread.
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He is however, an analyst of exceptional skill and calibre, easily one of the best in the business. He should be lauded for this however the distinction must be made there
Is this called bashing?
I am amazed how many people in this thread didn't read a fucking single word of what TB said before shitting all over him
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IdrA is not a good caster. He does not have the training to be a good caster, he is too quiet, he is frequently monotone, he stumbles in his speech, he has no flow to speak of, he lacks the ability to express passion and emotion.
this part just kills me. If Idra isn't a good caster then what does that makes TB?
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oh my...
i dont get how someone whos casting is mainly centered around telling how much "destruction" or "bloodshed" is going on in a voice that is so annoying that you can hardly concentrate on the games can critizice the casting of someone else. haha and then hes tryin to back his stupid opinion with wikipedia-blablah while the only point hes makin is idra callin gg before the game is over.
idras unprofessional? well, i find it kinda unprofessional fronting fellow casters publicly. i just cannot help but thinkin totalbisquits motivation is "man! why is idra gettin so much credit for his casting while in fact i am the better caster!" thats just childish.
id rather listen to idra for hours than to totalbisquit for a second. big time.
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If a color commentator is someone who knows and plays the game extensively and a caster is someone who just announces then I would take two color commentators any day. I love idra's style of casting. I don't need someone to try and make the game exciting, I already love Starcraft, I just want to hear in depth analysis on the game that is taking place.
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TB brings nothing to the table. His "emotions" mean nothing when there is no content to fill them with. Whenever I hear him cast it seems like he is just straining himself just to think of things to say. With IdrA everything comes natural because he actually knows what is going on. Even though IdrA isn't really a caster he is still extremely enjoyable to listen to. Anything is better then some guy with a fake accent shouting random things into the mic.
Learn the game before you judge others TB, because in my opinion you are not qualified to cast professional starcraft.
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Most of you didn't even read what TB said. He said in one paragraph that Idra is a commentator while TB himself is a caster (and that's all you guys have read).
He spent the rest of the post saying how he is more entertaining than Idra and how Idra doesn't bring insight or interest to the viewers while he does.
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Idra is a no bullshit caster, they knew that when they hired him, I'm quite enjoying Idra's cast as a currently non SC2 playing viewer as he's quite insightful and to the point and I respect that.
Tough TB is correct, of all tournaments, NASL definitely needs some energy in their casts, have you seen the matches where Khaldor joined up for a few casts? it was a world of difference for me, great casts with excitement and energy, you wouldn't want to switch streams.
All in all I don't see a huge problem with his post, constructive criticism helps people improve
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I'm trying to wonder why a distinction needs to be made anyways? Who cares if someone calls him a good caster instead of analyst? Picking fly crap out of pepper in a way.
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Honestly, I prefer watch idra commentating a game over ANY one else. He is just so smart and has so much insight. By listening to his comments, you will actually LEARN something.
Commentators who shout all the time at the climax of the game annoys me.
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As I see it, the article is more concerned with the casters calling 'GG' before the players, than with IdrA's casting in particular. I think he has a point there, especially since IdrA himself often leaves games as soon as he is at a disadvantage, while other players would continue playing.
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On May 13 2011 16:25 riboflavin wrote:
Such a misleading title. Why such a bullshit claim? He didn't slam his casting at all. I took the time to read the entire piece by TB, and the context around it -- did you? He made some really important points about the whole business of casting, analysis, and esports. He didn't 'slam' Idra at all, in fact he broke down his commentary style and provided reference material to support his claims. I would expect Idra would largely agree with what TB said about him in specific.
Please consider having a title that accurately matches the content of the thread. I know form experience, as a mod came down on me on TL for the same type of offense (they were right to do so).
Maybe you should read it again if that's what you got.
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I liked Totalbiscuit alot until he started posting on reddit. 
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and honestly his point about the amount of casual viewers there are?
Who knows that for sure?
Who is taking a poll w/ every major cast asking the skill level of these players?
Maybe the majority of the viewers are the more hardcore?
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Why would TB even have to acknowledge Idra as a caster? (competition? lol?)
Even though idra is a player his casting is more entertaining to watch then TB, gretorp, or incontrol's casting.
And to add, I don't like how TB thinks that his opinions are facts, I mean what made him casting genius of the world of entertainment.
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I really dislike TB's casting, and I kind of enjoyed Idra's, although his speech did stumble a bit.
However, this isn't football. Play-by-play casters aren't really necessary, the most famous casters we have (tastosis, day9, etc.) are all able to show emotion and do analysis. It's a real time strategy game, people don't just want the play by play, they want to see the strategy, why it works, etc. The people watching SC2 actually play the game and wish to improve, which is the exact opposite of 95% of sports fans, which is why I find using football as an example quite strange.
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