EPTPS. Starcraft is a hardcore game. Everyone wants analysis.
Totalbiscuit on IdrA's casting - Page 6
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kidleader
Korea (South)233 Posts
PS. Starcraft is a hardcore game. Everyone wants analysis. | ||
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Hambone636
United States62 Posts
Everyone that plays the game should enjoy IdrA more; he explains in depth plots and describes the current metagame. TotalBiscuit on the other hand just tells me what I can already see, worthless knowledge. TotalBiscuit just has a skewed perspective of e-sports casting User was warned for this post | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
I would still just kinda prefer him to stick to WoW. He's entertaining there. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
They compliment each other. Saying that only people giving the play by play is a caster is wrong. Idra isnt a bad caster, he is a different type of caster. Having said that, the color is more important of the two. The play by play brings the hype, but the color tells you WHY you should be hyped, and WHY the issue matters. | ||
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
For myself, I very much value idras insight into the strategic level of the game. I think alone he would just be giving analysis (which is something different), but with the right co-commentator/synergy I think he could be/is a very effective caster simpliciter. 2c. | ||
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CountBarq
United States45 Posts
I haven't heard idra commentate, but what ever happened to different strokes for different folks? THough it'd be great if IDra did post-game analysist. Then finally there'd be a combination ( Idra +(ex) DJWheat) that manages to be better than Cricket. | ||
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Samhax
1054 Posts
I think casters like Idra are good for the game but i don't think we gonna see more because you have to be really good at the game to cast like Idra do. Casters that are really good at analyse the game are Artosis, Idra and Gretorp. | ||
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Bloodash
Netherlands1384 Posts
It's like the anti archon too bad Idra can't comment on TB as he's banned :p | ||
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Turing
United States211 Posts
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:31 jalstar wrote: I don't think you can compare e-sports to traditional sports in terms of casting, and I really wish TB and others would stop doing it. In every sport out there, it's just as easy to score points when you're down by 20 as when the game's tied. In SC, leads build on leads and incredibly subtle things can change the flow of the game. Good commentary, like Idra, points out those subtleties and gives the viewer insight into the complexities of the game. I also don't think there's any room for play-by-play. In traditional sports PBP adds something, whether it's the speed and type of pitches in baseball or formations in football. In chess or SC2 you're just re-stating things that are incredibly obvious to the viewer if you do PBP, so you need people who can analyze the game or you quickly run out of meaningful things to talk about. Just my 2 cents. AGREED. Play by play should be kept to a minimum. Why? Cause that's the observer's job. It's not like you're watching the entire map and need to be told what to do. The person doing the 'play by play' is your observer in the match who tells you visually what's going on whether it's highlighting the harvester difference or highlighting different things on the production tab like research or expansions etc. You don't need the play by play guy to talk for more than 30% of the cast unless they're actually funny (something most casters aren't in the slightest). So when you have someone like TB or Husky who feel that it is necessary to talk for every single second of the cast at a rate of 300 words per minute I just get pissed/annoyed and mute them. | ||
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Thoramas
Singapore152 Posts
TB is not saying A>B or B>A. He's saying A is different from B and A+B (read: 2 people working together) = profit. | ||
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willeesmalls
United States477 Posts
The model here has to be tasteless and Artosis. Nobody does it better than those two. | ||
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
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MercuryViper
Canada26 Posts
Personally I really like listening to him, because of the knowledge I gain from his insight. However, TB has a point in that he would have very little draw to a more casual viewer who just wants to be purely entertained by watching the games he's casting rather then viewing them as both entertainment and a personal gaming improvement tool. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
jokes aside... I don't like play-by-play casting. I understand the game well enough to see that they are making scvs and fighting. Thanks. although I can see how the "casuals" like the play-by-play rather than the analytical. Sorry to disagree, but Idra's "style" doesn't bother me. (Then again I didn't really like TB much anyways, but w/e) | ||
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Deleted User 123474
292 Posts
I for one think that for any commentator to be a part of a casting team, they must demonstrate knowledge of the game in order not to look like a numbskull. This knowledge is not demonstrated by pretending an intense competitive game is being played when it's 10 ultralisks to a 20 food colossus ball, and not an intense desperation game. The play-by-play commentating should be very low on the totem pole, in relation to any analysis. An aside: I listen to Husky on occasion because of the high quality games he picks but my hand is always glued to the volume scroll...it's not worth it to hear some of the things going on at the cost of listening to how Husky is "not sure what X is doing here". Edit: the statements I quoted above from TB are direct evidence that he values play-by-play casting more than the analysis, contrary to what people are saying about him valuing each as complementary and equal. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11133 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:36 Thoramas wrote: People in this thread seriously need to take a chill pill and re-read the context. TB is not saying A>B or B<A. He's saying A is different from B and A+B (read: 2 people working together) = profit. EXACTLY. The original title and post were quite sensationalist in their content. Idra represents one extreme side of the casting spectrum. TB represents the other extreme side. Alone, their casting is questionable for completely different reasons and weaknesses. Together, those weaknesses can cancel out for great success. | ||
520
United States2822 Posts
The entire post is about the synergy between the two kinds of commentators, something that he mentions IPL is lacking in particular. To be fair, there are many of you here who are saying "IdrA is better than TotalBiscuit every day of the week etc. etc." have also complained in the early stages about NASL's commentary being lackluster and unhyped. It's easy to compare the two extremes to each other, and when you do, you'll lean farther towards the side that most fits your current status as a player, as mentioned in the statement above this one. | ||
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Homun
Germany21 Posts
"The perfect cast need People filling role A and B. Idra is exceptional at A, but should not be mistaken with B, since he is not too good at B. Someone else needs to fill role B." Personally I do not like TotalBiscuit trying his hand on A either. He is more of the B guy (and aknowledges that over and over again). Let him be for stating the obvious.. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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