EPTOn May 13 2011 16:18 Daralii wrote:
TB went on to cast his post. :D
TB went on to cast his post. :D
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Totalbiscuit on IdrA's casting - Page 7
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:36 Samhax wrote: I partially agree with TB, he is right when he says Idra should not tell the game is over, when the players are still playing the game. It's kinda anticlimatic. BUT i love idra's casting because he give some really good insight in term of strategy and the different paths a player could take to win the game. There is only one who have a smiliar value when casting, it's Artosis. And seriously i prefer a billion times casters like Idra or Artosis than someone who has a good energy and enthusiasm but don't have a clue about the strategies. I think casters like Idra are good for the game but i don't think we gonna see more because you have to be really good at the game to cast like Idra do. Casters that are really good at analyse the game are Artosis, Idra and Gretorp. That's stupid. That's like an NBA commentator saying the game is close should the Lakers be beating the Heat by 30 points. It's not close and it's not exciting unless you're a fan of one of the participants and just want to see them roll face. Traditionally, people who do play by play are not loved but tolerated when they know their role and don't overstep it. This is why when you only have a person who is doing play by play for 85% of the game and analysing for 15% of the game people get turned off and have to mute the cast. You also need to know the difference between a caster and a commentator, something TB tries to educate ignorant people on. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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probablywrong
Philippines209 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:28 Holcan wrote: Im just quoting to tell you that Marv is a play by play commentator, and Hubie is the color guy, its two different personalities you are comparing. note: if the person you are saying is like Marv was actually an ex coach, you'll probably wrong :D. That's exactly what I mean, though. A lot of people will enjoy Hubie and find him entertaining and enjoyable to listen to, regardless of being considered the color guy. Also, well played good sir. | ||
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Litess
Bulgaria40 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:17 Pufftrees wrote: IdrA is a polarizing figure in SC2 and always creates a lot of attention around him. TotalBiscuit is pretty much an attention whore, I am not surprised at all that he would make these kind of comments in order to bring more attention onto himself. On a related note, IdrA was a better commentator then Gretorp and InControl (and frankly I enjoy them both quite a bit). Why is TB an attention whore? I must have missed some stuff he has done. I do agree with TB about... most of the points, but being and Idra fan i did enjoy his casting. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5251 Posts
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:36 Thoramas wrote: People in this thread seriously need to take a chill pill and re-read the context. TB is not saying A>B or B>A. He's saying A is different from B and A+B (read: 2 people working together) = profit. Sums it up perfectly. I hope I'm not out of line for saying this but I really really hope that the mods are willing to get out the banhammers and go through this thread with a vengeance. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
PS: Fans =/= Fanboys. just so you guys know. I like IdrA, a lot as a person and a player. But his online persona irks me. And I say persona because IdrA is very nice in RL and a lot of the stuff he pulls, he obviously does for publicity | ||
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SolveN
Canada43 Posts
Bottom Line: Most commentators don't have the depth of knowledge Idra does and to try and compensate for that, they make the shallower commentary they can provide as exciting as possible. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:06 Swineflew wrote: Anyone else see this and think "wtf, who is this guy to call out another caster when you're only shining point is your voice"? No, because TB has more than his voice. He knows how to spice it up. I saw several games casted by TB where both players built up for minutes with little harass. I still did not feel the urge to fast-forward. Since I normally watch the GSL, TB's style is somewhat unusual for me as he really sticks to play-by-play. When it happens, he mentioned it. He is not thinking out loud which options each player has and which card he will most likely play. But I think he is right that Starcraft 2 is no longer just our game of the nerds. We, who actually play and struggle (more or less) to get better don't see it as a purely entertaining experience. But we watch other sports in TV for pure entertainment (very few of us actually play soccer or baseball competitively.) In this sense, the same rules for other sports broadcasts apply for for Starcraft, too. | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
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pat965
Canada274 Posts
That said, you have to treat this like any other broadcast. Imagine some hockey savant begins to do colour commentary about hockey, it'd be great! Unfortunately he's stuttering, when something goes wrong he gets flustered, he can't understand cues from others, he doesn't look at the camera - it's not very pleasing for the viewer, but it's super informative. Now imagine that same savant, except now he's well-spoken, likeable, a quick thinker, kept the viewer interested, informed, and kept the program flowing brilliantly. Even, better, right? Now, if you want my honest opinion, I think IdrA did very well tonight - he was confident, knowledgeable, and he tried to keep things professional while showing a bit of his... no-nonsense persona. The hockey example I gave was a bit extreme, but hopefully it demonstrates that there does exist a spectrum between "bad" and "good", and IdrA is somewhere in the middle. His insight is top notch, his personal agenda is interesting, but he doesn't bring it together as cohesively as he could. Despite what a lot of people here think, bringing it all together and making it flow is pretty damn important, and while I'm glad you think the cast was top-notch, IdrA (as well as Gretorp) have a long way to go. (Of course, I realize IdrA has little experience casting, so I don't hold his casting ability against him) | ||
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GummyZerg
United States277 Posts
"IdrA is not a good caster. He does not have the training to be a good caster, he is too quiet, he is frequently monotone, he stumbles in his speech, he has no flow to speak of, he lacks the ability to express passion and emotion." Mainly the bold part. Clearly many people enjoy idra's casting, which is all that matters. It just seems like trolling and stirring the pot, though I do agree with many of the other points he makes I just think he could have said it in a different way. | ||
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Sakarabu
United Kingdom132 Posts
When put in context I actually agree with alot of TBs points here, but not all of them, Idra is actually an awesome analytical caster, he could definitely do with being a little less monotone yes, but the problem is really that him and Gretorp are both analytical casters. They would both perform better besides a play-by-play caster to keep the excitement up. It's kind of like moletrap and doa, they both lean towards being more play-by-play casters. Yes moletrap has alot of game knowledge but he really shines when he is describing what is going on korean hype commentry style. Therefore if you actually took someone like moletrap and put him alongside Idra you have two great casters who actually compliment each other instead of getting in each others way. Obviously the greatest example of this in SC2 is Tasteless and Artosis, apart from the natural chemistry they have together, they also rock because Tasteless is a pure play by play while Artosis is pure Color-Commentary. Anyway, I think NASL with these two casting is still very entertaining so it's kind of a non-issue. But with a good play-by-play commentator Idra would definitely shine more than he already does. | ||
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MercuryViper
Canada26 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:36 ItsMeDomLee wrote: AGREED. Play by play should be kept to a minimum. Why? Cause that's the observer's job. It's not like you're watching the entire map and need to be told what to do. The person doing the 'play by play' is your observer in the match who tells you visually what's going on whether it's highlighting the harvester difference or highlighting different things on the production tab like research or expansions etc. You don't need the play by play guy to talk for more than 30% of the cast unless they're actually funny (something most casters aren't in the slightest). So when you have someone like TB or Husky who feel that it is necessary to talk for every single second of the cast at a rate of 300 words per minute I just get pissed/annoyed and mute them. I disagree with the assessment that there is no need for play by play in eSports. The cameramen and the production crew present physical sports in generally much clearer ways then observers who ofttimes miss things do. I can clearly see Kesler is passing to Raymond whose carrying the puck up the wing and then getting pinched into the boards by Weber. That doesn't invalidate the play by play man's call of the play. I don't need the play by play when I'm sitting in Roger's Arena watching a game live because the crowd is providing a level of emotion and connection to the game. However, when sitting at home, it brings another level to the experience when I'm by myself or with a few friends/family watching the game. Words can help enhance the experience and a good play by play man can generally up the level of a game if he's skilled at his job. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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EviL.sc
Portugal82 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:18 Daralii wrote: TB went on to cast his post. :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1bTWjVqHFE&feature=feedu This was kinda unnecessary... | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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Anzekay
Australia63 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:38 Aberu wrote: I think this was just TB trying to get back at EG. He had that problem with iNcontroL a while ago, and flew off the handle generating bad press for himself over and over. He's doing it again. I like TotalBiscuit, but I'm starting to dislike him with crap like this and where it brings his reputation. This is a ridiculous notion. TB is much more professional than that. The entire debacle between him and Incontrol are essentially forgotten, except for a few people who somehow want to have a go at TB for no reason at all. | ||
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United States2822 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:42 SolveN wrote: I can't believe there are people who don't enjoy listening to Idra's commentary. Being an exceptionally talented and experienced Starcraft player, Idra provides what others cannot: tip top level pro analysis. He has the confidence and experience necessary to make calls less skilled commentators can't. Also, you shouldn't need someone to make a Starcraft game exciting for you, this isn't kindergarten where the teacher reads us a picture book using a wide variety of voices. Go watch the Simpsons or something if you need sheer entertainment value. Someone who values understanding Starcraft should find endless fascination in how Idra perceives the game. Bottom Line: Most commentators don't have the depth of knowledge Idra does and to try and compensate for that, they make the shallower commentary they can provide as exciting as possible. Now put yourself in the shoes of someone who doesn't play Starcraft. You open up an NASL stream and you hear a monotone voice using terminology you don't understand talking about a game state you aren't sure, going over possibilities that stem from a situation that you can't grasp. THAT is what the play-by-play commentator is for. And if you believe that every one of the 20k+ viewers who watches an SC2 pro cast is someone who's played the game before, you're sorely mistaken. | ||
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