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Zeles
United States335 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:18 Daralii wrote: TB went on to cast his post. :D For the love of god I hope he does not cast IPL season 2 - and I think I speak for the majority. We know the game and do not want dumb-downed Starcraft. | ||
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slimbo1
Germany228 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:11 Atlare wrote: Well with a misleading title and one line description of how you feel I recommend you actually think about what Totalbiscuit said. Thats not slamming IdrA, thats comparing IdrA to a category in which he is already put in but the vocal minority doesn't really understand the different between Colour and Play by play and the values/advantages of each. I think anybody trying to say IdrA is an amazing Play by Play poster is a fan boy and probably below average in the intelligence department and Totalbiscuit for Colour commentary is similar (ie. you shouldn't arguing that he can anaylse as effectively as say Day[9] or IdrA). This isn't IdrA hate its Totalbiscuit trying to debunk the stupid fanboyism that's been shown by trolling him constantly. Indeed. TotalBiscuit gives an advice and all the fanboys out there read through his lines in just a few seconds to know: "omfg hes bashing idra" --- Oo | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
Are you kidding? That was the most awesomely hilarious thing I've seen at least this year so far. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
flashy display of opinion? seems reasonable to me. appeasing his fans seems to work easily enough | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19133 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:40 Headshot wrote: TotalBiscuit's pure play-by-play style is extremely unappealing. He's in no position to comment on anyone else's commentary. Excuse me but you and anyone else in this thread who shares this opinion obviously did not take the time to read the OP. The man is a professional caster and by pretty much any standard really good at what he does and knows how to go at it and what actually revolves around casting. What he took the time to write there substantiates that. If your personal preference as a fan or otherwise focusses on Idra that's one thing but that is purely on content not on the art of casting itself which is where he is aiming at in his writing. Personally I fully agree with him about Idra being a horrible caster but he is great to have at the table to add certain insight moments during the game and between game and post game discussion from a meta perspective. Keep in mind what the man tried to bring across here before responding blindly to it. What this game needs is more duo's or especially trio's in the spirit of tastosis. One very good colour caster and two play by play casters. The important thing is chemistry. What tastosis has going for it as just a duo is how artosis is great at colour and play by play casting while tasteless just sets up for artosis with his remarks, mistakes and jokes. I'm actually surprised we haven't seen a great casting duo or especially trio pop up yet. I'm having high hopes for Kaldor as well in the future as I have been really enjoying his casting, even though its play by play. p.s. The horde of fanboism that takes this so personal is getting ridiculous in my opinion. You can't even critique a certain person anymore without running into thousands of fanatics who blindly jump to conclusions and reply with physical threats and gross insults. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/h5oJh.jpg) | ||
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Bloodash
Netherlands1384 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:41 ItsMeDomLee wrote: That's stupid. That's like an NBA commentator saying the game is close should the Lakers be beating the Heat by 30 points. It's not close and it's not exciting unless you're a fan of one of the participants and just want to see them roll face. Traditionally, people who do play by play are not loved but tolerated when they know their role and don't overstep it. This is why when you only have a person who is doing play by play for 85% of the game and analysing for 15% of the game people get turned off and have to mute the cast. You also need to know the difference between a caster and a commentator, something TB tries to educate ignorant people on. you NEED to keep it interesting, it is entertaintment, as soon as you give up the finale, people lose intrest and watch something else, YOU NEED TO KEEP THEM TUNED IN! calling a game 10 minutes before it ends makes me not want to watch anymore. when there's a hint of a miraculous comeback, as a casual gamer you'd be much more inclined to stay and watch. it's then the casters duty to keep you entertained for the rest of the match. | ||
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Alak
Sweden380 Posts
Now, no caster will appeal to everyone, but some consistency of opinion might be in order here. How can a caster adjust to please a greater audience when these conflicting signals keep being sent? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:43 Anzekay wrote: This is a ridiculous notion. TB is much more professional than that. The entire debacle between him and Incontrol are essentially forgotten, except for a few people who somehow want to have a go at TB for no reason at all. Not that I dispute your main point, but TB is definitely not "professional" when he posts on Reddit. He has a history of trolling, insulting and belittling when provoked. | ||
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FawxzTV
Sweden178 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:45 Zeles wrote: For the love of god I hope he does not cast IPL season 2 - and I think I speak for the majority. We know the game and do not want dumb-downed Starcraft. speak for yourself. i find TB to be entertaining. he's definitely no idra, or artosis, or tasteless, or day[9], but he's still a great caster. he'll probably be more well-liked if he was paired with analytical casters, but seriously, this guy's hilarious. | ||
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yankjenets
United States232 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Analysis can also be a part of the commentating process. However, unlike play by play, having only an analyst makes for a boring cast: its like a lesson, not entertainment. The right mix is key: having a play by play caster build suspense, then after a battle, while the dust settles and both players rebuild, use that dead time to analyze the past and what both players may do in the future. I definitely agree that casters need to stop with the whole "well, thats gg, game over, move on" even if the game is for all intents and purposes over. I consider myself to be a high level observer. I know when games are over. Yet a good caster can do his best to hide just how desperate the situation is for one player. Again: casting is entertainment, not a learning experience. Something like the NASL is much different than a Day9 daily. You tune into one to learn, one to be entertained. Sure, having idra on to fill in the dead time is great for possibly learning something. But I definitely believe that tipping that scale too far in that direction is actually bad for the entertainment value as a whole. | ||
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dredd276
United States80 Posts
That said, I think the big problem with the guys who aren't "analysis" guys, is when they start doing analysis anyway. And it's wrong. A lot. But that's to be expected The non-analysis guys don't tend to be very strong players and, well, it's really hard to follow a pro-game in real time and say insightful things. TLDR: Dual casts are best. Analysis guys needs to be really good at analysis. Non-analysis guys need to stop analyzing. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:43 MercuryViper wrote: I disagree with the assessment that there is no need for play by play in eSports. The cameramen and the production crew present physical sports in generally much clearer ways then observers who ofttimes miss things do. I can clearly see Kesler is passing to Raymond whose carrying the puck up the wing and then getting pinched into the boards by Weber. That doesn't invalidate the play by play man's call of the play. I don't need the play by play when I'm sitting in Roger's Arena watching a game live because the crowd is providing a level of emotion and connection to the game. However, when sitting at home, it brings another level to the experience when I'm by myself or with a few friends/family watching the game. Words can help enhance the experience and a good play by play man can generally up the level of a game if he's skilled at his job. When it's 1v1 it's easier to see what's going on though. I shouldn't make this sports vs e-sports, it's team vs 1v1 and there's definitely not enough play-by-play in CS commentaries for example. You won't hear "Roger Federer is running to the right" in any tennis commentary though, they'll focus more on analyzing. Being able to analyze a player's long term strategy is a more-than-adequate substitute for play-by-play since it will interest me and captivate me for longer. | ||
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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Swineflew
United States61 Posts
The article was saying IdrA has some good points as a caster, then TB posts his comment saying why IdrA isn't a good caster, and somehow that's ok because he's a "colour-commentator" then goes on to list things that IdrA did wrong (hence my "slam" claims). It just seems like he was bashing IdrA's casting while hiding behind the compliment that he isn't a caster (which isn't even TB's call to make). IdrA is a bad caster, but that's OK because I'm branding him as the colour-commentator. TB also makes this post sound like IdrA was casting NASL by himself, which he wasn't. He also makes assumptions on what the people want to see as well as their knowledge of the game: "Hardcore players will not learn anything from this. Casual players more often than not, don’t WANT to learn anything from this" in regards to calling an early GG and why. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
At least... read it? | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
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FraNKzZ
Spain41 Posts
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svefnleysi
Iceland623 Posts
However, I literally stopped watching some of the IPL matches because I just couldn't stand listening to TotalBiscuit anymore. | ||
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