EPTTotalbiscuit on IdrA's casting - Page 9
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busbarn
Sweden984 Posts
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
Let's face it: tournaments like NASL cater to people who know how SC2 works. The vast majority of the viewers are aware of what a worker is and the fact that workers gather resources. Thanks for helping the few who don't out TB, but your casting is to put it quite bluntly, terrible. | ||
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abominare
United States1216 Posts
Some of my more recent annoyances with tastosis has to do with artosis calling every damn game 3 minutes into a game even if its a 30 min slug fest. Granted as far as casting goes I definitely don't rank them high as casters that get me excited over the game, in fact I mostly love them because they make me feel that mike and robots from MST3K are casting it as a stark parody on the screaming korean commentators in the background. Some of Tasteless' best moments even while he was somewhat of a solo caster were always done in him making fun of something seamlessly unimportant in a normally hyped up casting world, as in the panda bear moment. A lot of people are willing to listen to some one like idra drone on about the semantics of a game and thats great lots of people would be happy to just have the games be constantly mulled over by a panel of experts. Sports definitely get the best of both worlds because of their formats with plenty of timeouts breaks and pauses to allow for analytical relooks at the instant replay, where it usually cuts from the casters to some game nerd with a screen making highlighting marks over whose pass routes snuck through the defense. Esports doesnt get this kind of luxury because the game is tailored to bring nonstop action. Theres no time out in the game for commercials or analysis or halftime reports. If NASL really wants to push forward on handling this situation they're the best off for doing so with their recorded format. Imagine this: The game is commentated by the normal duo with a color and play by play commentator and it ends, now instead of the awkward two mins of staring at incontrol and gretorp awkwardly talk about the match as filler in between, the actually segway to their analysis expert so say some one like idra of day 9 or professor humpledink whatever and hes standing infront of a touch screen with the replay on those crucial moments and can draw out lines and circles on screen when what and where a player's micro/macro or defensive position really payed off in a particular moment like you see on nba or nfl game analysis. | ||
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SlapMySalami
United States1060 Posts
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Samhax
1054 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:41 ItsMeDomLee wrote: That's stupid. That's like an NBA commentator saying the game is close should the Lakers be beating the Heat by 30 points. It's not close and it's not exciting unless you're a fan of one of the participants and just want to see them roll face. Traditionally, people who do play by play are not loved but tolerated when they know their role and don't overstep it. This is why when you only have a person who is doing play by play for 85% of the game and analysing for 15% of the game people get turned off and have to mute the cast. You also need to know the difference between a caster and a commentator, something TB tries to educate ignorant people on. If you saw Idra cast you will know what i'm talking about, he is like ok this guy has a 10 worker lead, the other guy is done, i exagerated a little bit but it's quite how Idra is casting right now. he kills any possibility of comeback when he cast. And i know the difference between a caster and a commentator, my point was i prefer commentators and we don't have enough of them. Pretty much Artosis and Idra who are good at commentating and maybe Gretorp sometimes but we have shit tons of casters who are good. And if i have to choose between casters and commentators i would take commentators every day! | ||
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Hollis
United States505 Posts
Not that he bashed Idra directly, just that he's being condescending. User was warned for this post | ||
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GummyZerg
United States277 Posts
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:46 Nyovne wrote:Excuse me but you and anyone else in this thread who shares this opinion obviously did not take the time to read the OP and is extremely oblivious. The man is a professional caster and by pretty much any standard really good at what he does and knows how to go at it and what actually revolves around casting. What? It's an opinionated piece. By TB's standards, IdrA isn't a good caster and he is able to make these claims because people who enjoy TB's casting give him merit. I do no like TB's casting what-so-ever, and actually prefer IdrA's style casting, so I don't give a flying fuck what TB thinks a "good" caster should be doing. And he's just trying to cash in on the attention surround IdrA at the moment anyways. | ||
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Anzekay
Australia63 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:48 syllogism wrote: Not that I dispute your main point, but TB is definitely not "professional" when he posts on Reddit. He has a history of trolling, insulting and belittling when provoked. There is a difference between strongly posting your opinions on a public form and digging up past and forgotten bits of drama. Maybe that's just me though. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:51 SlapMySalami wrote: who's totalbiscuit? The most awesome brit to ever walk the earth. | ||
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Dubpace
United States251 Posts
Personally, I think TotalBiscuit is wrong and this just reinforces how much he really has no clue about Starcraft commentary. People love IdrA's casting, LOVE it, because you get this feeling of knowledge like being around a really smart and wise professor. I will take that any day over the TA with a British accent that talks fast. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:51 GummyZerg wrote: Trying to make something exciting where it's not would be like a baseball caster making a homerun call for a pop fly. "Back...Back...Back... OOHHH AND HE CATCHES IT AT THE WARNING TRACK!!! SO CLOSE TO BEING THE SPARK THE TEAM NEEDED TO START GETTING BACK INTO THIS ONE" Because that never happens...owait. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:52 hugman wrote: IdrA casting is the best thing about the whole NASL. I want analysis, not some guy who cares more about his inflection than the actual words he's spouting. Maybe if TB actually was decent enough to appreciate IdrA's insight he wouldn't write stuff like this. Did you even read the OP? | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:46 Bloodash wrote: I just can't agree with this, and where do you draw the line? How long does Boxer have to fly his one medivac around on Tal'darim Altar with a 165 supply disadvantage to some Protoss before the caster says YEAH, THIS IS OVER!you NEED to keep it interesting, it is entertaintment, as soon as you give up the finale, people lose intrest and watch something else, YOU NEED TO KEEP THEM TUNED IN! calling a game 10 minutes before it ends makes me not want to watch anymore. when there's a hint of a miraculous comeback, as a casual gamer you'd be much more inclined to stay and watch. it's then the casters duty to keep you entertained for the rest of the match. I think Tastosis have it right, and also I really don't understand this fear of people turning off the stream "cos its over", for tournaments etc, this is when casters can talk about the next map if its a BOx series, or who the winner will face in the next round etc, there's no need to sugar coat things and basically decieve your audience when I think there is almost always plenty of actually interesting and relevant things to be said. | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
TB isn't shitting on IdrA at all, just calling it as he views it and I can't disagree with him. I love IdrA and his commentary but he has a personality / tendancy (not necessarily bad), to just dismisses a game if there is little hope of making a comeback, after which point he has 0 interest in the game (90%+ of the time rightly so, as the game IS over). Only thing is it doesn't really make the rest of the game interesting if he is 'over it' by that stage. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:52 hugman wrote: Did you even read it? If TB could appreciate idra's insight he would EXACTLY write something like that. Because appreciating the insight is exactly what he's doing in that post!IdrA casting is the best thing about the whole NASL. I want analysis, not some guy who cares more about his inflection than the actual words he's spouting. Maybe if TB actually was decent enough to appreciate IdrA's insight he wouldn't write stuff like this. Gosh...the average IQ on this thread must be at about monkey level. | ||
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Vorlik
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GummyZerg
United States277 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:54 Two_DoWn wrote: "Back...Back...Back... OOHHH AND HE CATCHES IT AT THE WARNING TRACK!!! SO CLOSE TO BEING THE SPARK THE TEAM NEEDED TO START GETTING BACK INTO THIS ONE" Because that never happens...owait. Of course that happens, but I meant more in a situation where it is obviously not a homerun. There are even moments in Starcraft where you don't know who will be the victor in a battle, but this isn't the point I was making. Perhaps I should have stated an infield fly. Oh well. Excitement in close situations should obviously be the moments where it is necessary, not when something is so one sided. Casters shouldn't attempt to make unexciting moments exciting just for the new crowd. | ||
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FlyingSheeps
Canada204 Posts
TB has a point though I think it wasn't really directed at Idra and was more of a general statement of Casting. Like any sport its really about finding the balance between the entertainment and the serious Analysis. which is why teams like DJ-Wheat and Day9 work so well together. Because one can bring the entertainment factor keep the fans form getting to bored and day9 can bring a level of understand and learning for that entertainment. You will find this common pairing in just about any major casting team. | ||
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