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symbolic
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
I really disagree with TB - I learned a LOT of the game from idras commentary. I didn't find he was quiet at all, and unlike other casters he isn't blabbering about nothing when the action is slow (and he wasn't quiet at all, he had SO much insight into the game beyond what I've normally seen from NASL games, though I love gretorph and geoff). There is no climax that is ruined by Idra calling an early gg. He is calling the game as it is, and we as the viewers are already being bored by a game that is continuing - he is only providing color when most casters would just drivel on about nothing. He puts so much excitement into a match JUST by pointing out when players are vulnerable. Really disagree with TB's take that no one seems to appreciate analysis and that us platinum 'hardcore' players won't learn anything new anyways. | ||
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Deindar
United States302 Posts
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:59 hmunkey wrote: I think someone should run a series of surveys to find out which style of casting the community wants as a whole. It would be interesting to see a TL poll on the topic, seeing as the vast majority of stream viewers are TL users too. I think the ideal would be a colour commentator + a play by play commentator together. | ||
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Okiesmokie
Canada379 Posts
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:12 blade55555 wrote: For the casual Idra probably isn't a good caster too, to any player playing competitively or something he is amazing. His knowledge is just fantastic and that is why I love when he speaks. He knows what he's talking about unlike most commentators and its very refreshing honestly. Wish there were more casters like him ^_^. Exactly. I am going to watch idra's commentary because it's the most insightful commentaties around, except his own stream commentating. I watch pro games ONLY to learn the game better, I don't really care about "cool" casting or awesome games. I take idra's commentating over anyone else anyday. | ||
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Av4st
Canada92 Posts
There is a reason why people who actually understand the game like Artosis, Tasteless, and Day9 are the commentators most beloved by the community. Once you dedicate even just a small mote of time to trying to understand SC2, play by play commentary suddenly becomes both stagnant and dull. | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to talk shit about TB, because he, Husky, and HD bring in so many people who would otherwise be turned off by pro SC2, but he needs to understand that the people who watch his videos are not the same as the people who tune into tournaments on a regular basis; if anything, it's quite the opposite. The "casual" viewers are generally going to stick to watching the lower-level commentaries on YouTube, and the "hardcore" viewers are actually watching NASL every single night and staying up until 4 AM to watch GSL. Also, if you're turned off by someone saying "yeah, the game's over, xxx is clearly ahead and should win," what the fuck is wrong with you? If someone is up 45-21 in an NFL game, the commentators will not hesitate to say "yeah the Dolphins need a miracle to win here." If you can't tell that someone has an advantage on your own, that's fine, but it's the caster's fucking job to explain what's happening in the game, it's not like it's ruining anything. TB is clearly wrong as hell on that point, I don't know where he gets the idea that a caster shouldn't explain what is happening in the game. | ||
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Swineflew
United States61 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:56 Vorlik wrote: I don't understand why the OP made this thread here, it just stirs up more unnecessary drama. I would've rather you vented on the reddit thread then come here. what TB said was accurate and not as demeaning as you might think towards Idra. On a side note, that video was awesome =D Because I enjoy the IdrA/Day[9]/Artosis style casting and I guess it just seemed to me that this was a cheap shot by the TB/Husky style casting. I just felt like he was saying that IdrA is a bad caster and should only throw tidbits of information in when there is a gap in the action. It came off to me as a shot at IdrA like "You can't cast by yourself, you need someone to be the main caster and you can only back him up, although I don't even follow the format that I've described to be good". | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On May 13 2011 17:03 Phenny wrote: I think the ideal would be a colour commentator + a play by play commentator together. I disagree. Yeah, I'd like another commentator who's more charismatic, but I don't know if I'd want them to be a purely play-by-play commentator. TB and to a lesser extent Wheat are known for just saying what's happening and nothing else, but I find that to be completely boring and pointless. I'm not blind. This is a video broadcast, not a radio one. It's completely useless for them to tell me what I'm seeing when I'm looking directly at it. At the end of the day, IdrA knows exactly what's going on and gives us amazing analysis, but he's not charismatic or particularly good at talking. If he had a co-caster who was, they would be perfect. That said, that co-caster shouldn't be some play-by-play idiot but someone who also knows the game. | ||
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Mojar
Australia185 Posts
He is completely correct in what he said by the way. Idra is an amazing analytical commentator and should be praised for it. However when it comes to casting the actual game going and creating excitement and tension that is left to the play-by-play caster as it should be. | ||
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AKspartan
United States126 Posts
And those of you who don't see the ways in which this article bashes IdrA, albeit in a veiled, indirect manner... I can do nothing to help you. IdrA is an excellent caster. And frankly I prefer his intelligent, reserved, well-spoken manner to the fake-excitement, word-vomit style that most casters employ. There is no need to try to inject excitement into the game. Personally, I find it cheap and irritating. | ||
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Comogury
United States412 Posts
Put in the context of the post on reddit, this makes total sense. The person who posted the link made a suggestion to wannabe as well as current casters to look up to IdrA as a template for success. TB responded with a well constructed response. What's even better is that TB is right about what he's talking about. IdrA's casting style will NOT make anyone successful/popular as a caster because he just doesn't make it exciting (unless you're Day[9], but you're not). However, if you have someone like IdrA and another person working together (think HD/Painuser), that is a different story all together. I think people forget that IdrA isn't the only one there. If you just imagined IdrA sitting there and blabbing on with his analysis for 3 hours straight, would you sit through it all? I think I would sit in for most of it because there is something to be learned. However, most people don't want to sit in for that. That's all that TB is saying, nothing more. | ||
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
However, TB was not so called " insulting/bashing/trolling" IdrA himself. | ||
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Mithrandir
United States99 Posts
Ideally you have someone who is engaging and knows the game well. At the end of the day, you only have so many options. My preference: HD and Husky are horrible. djwheat is by far the best of the non-professional players. Mixing a professional and djwheat is my suggestion. Sometimes Idra, sometimes others. Just realize he brings to the table Incontrol cannot, and vice versa, so mix up the pros  But really, djwheat > mute >> husky/hd. Catspajamas is cool too  | ||
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philly5man
United Kingdom356 Posts
On May 13 2011 16:13 _Darwin_ wrote: IdrA isn't a caster. And I PREFER the "yeah it's gg" as opposed to "NOW I WONDER IF THE 7 SCV TERRAN CAN REPRODUCE FAST ENOUGH TO TAKE ON THE 200/200 TOSS." Similarly though, how many times have Tastosis called a game GG before the player turned it around and won? Calling early GGs is the worst thing to do, I'd sooner hear less genuine 'I wonder if he can turn this around' than hearing 'It's totally over if he defends this attack'. | ||
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overshard
United States45 Posts
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On May 13 2011 17:07 Comogury wrote: IdrA doesn't get people excited with his commentary. That's all that TB is saying. He explicitly said that IdrA's in-depth analysis is incredible, but that doesn't make him a great caster for the average person. And who is the average person? NASL viewers are by far people who have played SC2 or at least know the basics of the game. I'd actually be willing to bet the average NASL viewer knows as much if not more than TB about the game. For this average viewer, having analytical commentators is a far better thing. SC2 isn't being broadcast on TV nor is this a more mainstream Youtube cast. People seem to forget that professional SC2 is an extremely niche market. Stop treating the viewers like they're dumbasses. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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