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BeefEU
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands260 Posts
May 13 2011 07:15 GMT
#21
Wow, he is over exaggerating alot.

When the score is 3-0 in football at half time, don't the casters also say that is is over and stuff like that?

PsyChill
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia58 Posts
May 13 2011 07:16 GMT
#22
"...And in the Red Trunks in the bottom right corner..." If Total Biscuit is commentating I refuse to watch it or I turn the volume off. It actually will give you brain cancer if you listen. Idra on the other hand, it's such a privilege to hear what he has to say about the games. He has such depth and understanding about Starcraft. I always feel like i'm learning when Idra analyses games.

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Diglett
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
600 Posts
May 13 2011 07:16 GMT
#23
i'd rather have a quiet, monotone, stumbling but incredibly intelligent person cast than someone who shouts and tells you incorrect things. if tb thinks a big part of casting is telling incorrect things rather than telling it how it is, then i am confused and of a different opinion. im a casual player of sc2 btw.
Nayl
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-13 07:17:55
May 13 2011 07:16 GMT
#24
How is this slamming IdrA in any way? He's saying IdrA is one of the best "analyst", but it would be incorrect in saying IdrA is a good "caster". I agree with this; he is great when there is someone else there to back him up, to cover the meat and bone of SC2 casting while IdrA gives his insight sporadically.

But I can't think of more awkward sc2 casting set up than IdrA trying to cast a game by himself.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
May 13 2011 07:17 GMT
#25
IdrA doesn't even want to be a caster, he just does it for w/e. This argument/any argument would only be valid if he cared about being a caster enough to want to actually learn how to do it.
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Synk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States297 Posts
May 13 2011 07:17 GMT
#26
I don't understand why you made the title of this thread so dramatic. It's a pretty objective look at why Idra isn't a play by play commentator and he is spot on. In any sport you never have the ex-pro analytical caster trying to give a play by play because they can't. Also his point about people calling GG early is exactly correct from an entertainment perspective. I'm not a TB fanboi I don't really even know who the guy is except hearing him cast a few IPL's. He isn't saying Idra should never be a caster in any game he is just saying he isn't a play by play commentator.
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Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
May 13 2011 07:17 GMT
#27
IdrA is a polarizing figure in SC2 and always creates a lot of attention around him. TotalBiscuit is pretty much an attention whore, I am not surprised at all that he would make these kind of comments in order to bring more attention onto himself.

On a related note, IdrA was a better commentator then Gretorp and InControl (and frankly I enjoy them both quite a bit).
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Thoramas
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore152 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-13 07:19:52
May 13 2011 07:17 GMT
#28
Way to take words out of context.

Totalbiscuit is trying to say that there are 2 genres of commentators in sports, the play-by-play caster and the analytical colour-commentator. He gives an example of this by saying that Idra is not good at play-by-play but excellent as an analysis commentator, and that in a casting duo (or trio in the case of korean casting) there needs to be a balance of these 2 attributes. Going on to say that an analysis commentator needs to be backed up by the play-by-play caster to form a good balance.

Maybe try reading the whole thing next time.

Edit: at the time of writing this post the thread title was about TB slaming Idra before it got changed to the current title.
Skarmory
Profile Joined May 2011
112 Posts
May 13 2011 07:18 GMT
#29
You dislike that Idra explains why the game is already over in a monotone matter? It could be worse, he could just say everything that happens and claim that he knows what is going on between the players in the different colored trunks. He could say that his silver league level of play is simply weak mechanics, instead of stating that he doesn't really know anything to merit speak at all. Maybe some people like in depth analysis, instead of loud yelling about medivac drops.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
May 13 2011 07:18 GMT
#30
TB went on to cast his post. :D

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Valroth
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand28 Posts
May 13 2011 07:18 GMT
#31
He doesn't completely slam Idra, since he acknowledges that Idra does fine as the analytical knowledge guy. The problem with NASL casting is the play by play guy, Mr. Gretorp.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
May 13 2011 07:18 GMT
#32
i think TB is mad because idra is just randomly casting some? I actually enjoy his casting simply because he actually has some insight as opposed to TB.. who has 0 clue how to actually play the game.

i mean you need two types of casters (read tastosis) where one is the guy that spouts all the stats and strats and the other leads in (TB) but i dont feel TB has much room to speak.

especially since i dont think idra's aspiration is to become a professional caster, it hardly matters if he is a good caster or not. he is a progamer after all...
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-13 07:19:41
May 13 2011 07:18 GMT
#33
On May 13 2011 16:12 Swineflew wrote:
I guess this just rubbed me the wrong way, and I don't understand how a guy that got his fanbase from casting WoW videos is going to bash someone who has been part of the starcraft scene since before he uploaded his first youtube video.


Because one man got his fanbase by casting and the other got a fanbase by playing, and people who automatically expect the latter to be as good or knowledgeable as the former in the former's business is disrespecting an entire profession. Yes, a profession that exists beyond the scope of Starcraft 2. Everything Total Biscuit said is true or is a good point, and while many people may feel the "it's GG" early on is good, the reality is that by frequenting this site you're most likely not even a casual as he describes. TB is a very good caster, and to disregard his opinion because of blind homage to Idra is doing a disservice to everyone, including Idra, who if he's actually committed to casting (which I don't think he is), would take the advice to heart. How constructive criticism works.


On May 13 2011 16:11 C.W. wrote:
Who is totalbiscuit?


A famous, popular, wide-reaching, veteran caster who brings in crowds for watching people play video games.

Edit:

On May 13 2011 16:17 Xeris wrote:
IdrA doesn't even want to be a caster, he just does it for w/e. This argument/any argument would only be valid if he cared about being a caster enough to want to actually learn how to do it.


That's what I figured So I actually think TB's rant was a little bizarre in that respect, but according to his video he seemed to be explaining the difference between the two casting roles and his pet peeve.
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
May 13 2011 07:18 GMT
#34
Im not sure what the whole bashing was. He said idra is monotone and doesnt show emotion, while he however provides excellent analysis. Thats pretty much what I read about idra on 5 different places already on TL. Everyone agrees on it, whats the bashing part?

The last 80% of the post was about something else too, which was kinda interesting.
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
May 13 2011 07:18 GMT
#35
On May 13 2011 16:12 Swineflew wrote:
I guess this just rubbed me the wrong way, and I don't understand how a guy that got his fanbase from casting WoW videos is going to bash someone who has been part of the starcraft scene since before he uploaded his first youtube video.

Let me just say that I was a fan of TB before he made this leap to SC2, that's how I stumbled on this article. I just don't like his SC2 casting, and find it stupid that he call out a legit caster/player. I was simply curious if I was the only one feeling this way.


It rubbed you the wrong way when you thought he was bashing IdrA.

Stupid sensationalist titles.
odder
Profile Joined April 2010
United States405 Posts
May 13 2011 07:18 GMT
#36
OP is so misleading, I'd hardly call it "slamming" IdrA's casting
nick1689
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia494 Posts
May 13 2011 07:19 GMT
#37
Thats not slamming Idra -_- The title is totally misdirecting

I kinda agree with TB though, Idra has is a baller full of analytical awesome. He knows whats happening at all times and how the match will likely proceed. But he can be monotonous, and doesn't have the flair and excitement in his play-by-plays that other shoutcasters bring to the game

Idra needs to be paired with somebody colourful. Say combine Idra with HD, that would be a good duo of casters

TB outright saying Idra is a bad caster is just taking it to far, he's a different kind of caster, but he's not a bad caster. I prefer Idra over TB (and thats totally not because im a total Idra fanboy >_>). Idra is like Artosis on crack (in the analytical sense), but without the wacky personality
Avs
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (North)857 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-13 07:22:56
May 13 2011 07:19 GMT
#38
It's funny because neither of them are great casters but it should be appreciated that Totalbiscuit wants Idra to be a better caster. Idra has great insight but it's obvious he's still new to casting and is nervous or cannot smoothly cast as well as many other casters. Where he lacks however doesnt diminish his ability to give even the best of us tidbits of knowledge into how the players are thinking and whether they are making good decisions. Idra's ability to give us that deeper look into the otherwise mysterious cloud of pro player thought is much appreciated.

Totalbiscuit's style is great in terms of play by play. However, just like he says people don't need to be told when it's "GG", people also generally don't need to be told what literally is going on the screen either. Totalbiscuit shines when it comes to using extravegant words to liven up the gameplay, and his spitfire casting also makes the game more enjoyable. But those who don't like him because he provides little analytical depth are right in that thats where his casting stops. Sometimes people just want more out of their SC2 entertainment besides play by play.

One issue with the NASL cast is that other caster. Gretorp is an OK caster but he makes many mistakes and obviously the NASL casting isnt as professional as the IPL casting. When Gretorp was casting with Idra, he often gave Idra little time to analyze, and Idra's analysis was often longer than what people were looking at, so it's difficult to follow unless you really understand the game (as the observer kept going all over the place and not always looking in the "best" places for analytical comment). I still appreciate the guest casting and I even want to say Idra and Gretorp is better than Gretorp and Incontrol. But Gretorp is one of the weakest casters available right now (relative to the exposure).

Ultimately, for all the casters that are out there, they all have their strong points and weaknesses. I honestly don't believe we've seen the best casters out there due to the fact that they aren't getting paid enough to attract the kind of talent and depth that we see in a lot of other sports.
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
May 13 2011 07:20 GMT
#39
On May 13 2011 16:17 Thoramas wrote:
Way to take words out of context.

Totalbiscuit is trying to say that there are 2 genres of commentators in sports, the play-by-play caster and the analytical colour-commentator. He gives an example of this by saying that Idra is not good at play-by-play but excellent as an analysis commentator, and that in a casting duo (or trio in the case of korean casting) there needs to be a balance of these 2 attributes. Going on to say that an analysis commentator needs to be backed up by the play-by-play caster to form a good balance.

Maybe try reading the whole thing next time.


Yeah i agree. I feel for TB now, 1 million Idra fanbois are gonna hate on him since they only read the title before going into a frenzy -.-
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Dwarsen
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden13 Posts
May 13 2011 07:20 GMT
#40
He also casted this post on Youtube. That man can make drying paint entertaining.

Also, he's completely right. You guys can hate on TotalBiscuit all you want, IdrA's strengths lie in his mind, not his casting.
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