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Which Non-Korea Nation has the best pro lineup? - Page 33

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Ace.Xile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States286 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 18:26:33
December 28 2011 18:25 GMT
#641
On December 29 2011 03:23 Jombozeus wrote:
On the topic of China... There are at least 3 Chinese players in the top 200 of the korean ladder that I know of, and maybe a few that I don't under smurfs. Xigua is consistently top 30 GM in Korea.

There aren't many pro players in China, but the ones that are pro are definitely capable of making Code A.

For reference, Destiny is 150th on Korean ladder, Naniwa maxed out at rank 6 and is now rank ~50 due to lag with his setup, Sen is ~40, Jinro is ~50, Stephano is ~20-30 when he plays. This is definitely not be-all end-all, as ladder really doesn't show who is going to win tournaments, but is without a doubt the best gauge of average skill and consistency that we have.

Speaking of Sen, I don't understand why no one even considers Taiwan. Taiwan has a bustling scene with, Sen Hui Slam and a few others consistenly within top masters in Korea. Even luway, an amateur female gamer, placed in NA GM in season 3 with a ladder record of 70-10 or something like that. Taiwan has 5 teams in the pro circuit, with many members fully capable of surviving in Code A.


Because most of the people these people call for being amazing never put up results, period. Xigua and Sen are really the only people that have put up any form of real results, saying well omg i can tell they're good cause of they're stream and random tourneys that don't really matter (this is about non sen-xigua people) doesn't justify them being good on the proscene. that being said there are about 100 reasons why rank in gm shouldn't be used to say how awesome someone is, yes sometimes it can be indicative of skill, but not everyone tries 100% among other obvious issues.
TimeRunnerS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Denmark164 Posts
December 28 2011 18:25 GMT
#642
Ukraine.
''OWN THOS SCRABNUBS!'' Athene - best gamer in the world
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 18:30:08
December 28 2011 18:29 GMT
#643
Sweden/Ukraine at the top then a huge dropoff. I'd probably put China/USA/Germany/Canada/France in the second tier.
h41fgod
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden377 Posts
December 28 2011 18:30 GMT
#644
On December 29 2011 03:19 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 03:16 Willba wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6

The power of China...

I would say Sweden/China/Ukraine as my top 3.


That was online. Offline they got demolished at IEM China, but made in into the final of WCG. Nobody really knows, how good they are.

Yeah, lets never mention WCG regarding skill again.

It is still Sweden btw.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
December 28 2011 18:33 GMT
#645
People are kind of forgetting Poland which has better lineup than for example France.

Nerchio, Mana, Tarson + Slider, Paranoid and bunch of other quite good players.

As for the general question (I am not counting China, too hard to judge) :
1.Sweden, Ukraine - with Sweden having slight edge probably
2. Germany, Poland, USA, Canada - hard to actually pick one better than the others
4. France, Finland + maybe Russia
EventHorizoN
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany101 Posts
December 28 2011 18:33 GMT
#646
Nr.1 Absolutley Sweden!
ThorZaIN
Naniwa
Sjow
Morrow
These guys speak for themsef!

Nr. 2
Ukraine has some awesome players aswell!
White Ra
Strelok
Dimaga

Nr. 3 Germay (<3)
Socke
Hasuobs
TLO (if he plays his best)
Darkeforce

Nr. 4 France!
MoMan
Stephano
Adellscott
Sarens.


Nr. 5 Poland!
Nercio
Mana
Tarson (even though he performs not as good as he did before.


The US and Canada don't deserve a place on this list considering IdrA and HuK are basicly Korean players! :D
Their other players can't be taken seriously.
Urlacher
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 18:36 GMT
#647
On December 29 2011 03:33 EventHorizoN wrote:
Nr.1 Absolutley Sweden!
ThorZaIN
Naniwa
Sjow
Morrow
These guys speak for themsef!

Nr. 2
Ukraine has some awesome players aswell!
White Ra
Strelok
Dimaga

Nr. 3 Germay (<3)
Socke
Hasuobs
TLO (if he plays his best)
Darkeforce

Nr. 4 France!
MoMan
Stephano
Adellscott
Sarens.


Nr. 5 Poland!
Nercio
Mana
Tarson (even though he performs not as good as he did before.


The US and Canada don't deserve a place on this list considering IdrA and HuK are basicly Korean players! :D
Their other players can't be taken seriously.


Naniwa has been in Korea for a while, can't count him then. Stephano is getting there, so is Thorzain, and so is Morrow...
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
NapoleonBonaparte
Profile Joined September 2011
France64 Posts
December 28 2011 18:39 GMT
#648
France :
Stephano / ToD / Adelscott / SarenS / MoMaN
HotS...
rareh
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal298 Posts
December 28 2011 18:41 GMT
#649
sweden, followed by ukraine
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 18:44:25
December 28 2011 18:42 GMT
#650
On December 29 2011 03:36 GreEny K wrote:
Naniwa has been in Korea for a while, can't count him then. Stephano is getting there, so is Thorzain, and so is Morrow...


Idra trained in korea from before 2008.

Huk had 90% of the first part of his training take place in korea.

Going to korea != training like a korean... Look at the Gom foreigner house lol
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mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 18:46:04
December 28 2011 18:44 GMT
#651
On December 29 2011 03:33 EventHorizoN wrote:
Nr.1 Absolutley Sweden!
ThorZaIN
Naniwa
Sjow
Morrow
These guys speak for themsef!

Nr. 2
Ukraine has some awesome players aswell!
White Ra
Strelok
Dimaga

Nr. 3 Germay (<3)
Socke
Hasuobs
TLO (if he plays his best)
Darkeforce

Nr. 4 France!
MoMan
Stephano
Adellscott
Sarens.


Nr. 5 Poland!
Nercio
Mana
Tarson (even though he performs not as good as he did before.


The US and Canada don't deserve a place on this list considering IdrA and HuK are basicly Korean players! :D
Their other players can't be taken seriously.

Ok, you forgot Kas for Ukarine, quite a big omission
4th and 5th place should be in opposite order. Nerchio, Mana and Tarson are matched only by Stephano and sometimes rarely by Adelscott. If you count Moman and Sarens then you would have to count Slider and probably some other Polish players as well.

As for US : Idra,Sheth and some other players are still quite easily match for whichever country apart from Ukraine and Sweden.
Canada also has Kiwikaki and few other players so they should easily fit.

EDIT: forgot ToD, but even with that Poland still comes ahead.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
December 28 2011 18:44 GMT
#652
Ok, there is basically a consensus in this thread that Sweden and Ukraine have probably the strongest line ups. but how can we tell for sure?

Well why don't we organize a nation war where we have the top 5 players from both teams play in a bo9 all kill style match?

Then we would know who is better.

I would be way down, and so would the players i assume, I'm sure they all have a lot of patriotism.
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 18:48 GMT
#653
On December 29 2011 03:42 TheNessman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 03:36 GreEny K wrote:
Naniwa has been in Korea for a while, can't count him then. Stephano is getting there, so is Thorzain, and so is Morrow...


Idra trained in korea from before 2008.

Huk had 90% of the first part of his training take place in korea.

Going to korea != training like a korean... Look at the Gom foreigner house lol


Then people can't count any Liquid player except Nony. The whole team was there and training with a Korean team.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
secretary bird
Profile Joined September 2011
447 Posts
December 28 2011 18:54 GMT
#654
Why does it even matter, just because they trained there doesnt make someone korean the only reason they went there is because they were pretty damn good to begin with.

If a soccer player from brazil goes to play in europe like they usually do, they dont become europeans, they are not considered a product of european soccer or anything like that.
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
December 28 2011 18:57 GMT
#655
Ukraine #1 probably, They just have some sick sick powerhouses in there. Sweden #2. Germany, Canada, US probably tie for #3. Maybe Germany a little below Canada and US.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
December 28 2011 18:59 GMT
#656
read this as north korea LOL
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Nancial
Profile Joined July 2011
197 Posts
December 28 2011 18:59 GMT
#657
def. not Russia. lol
Belki
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark9 Posts
December 28 2011 19:02 GMT
#658
Europe :
Z : Stephano, Dimaga, Ret, Nerchio
P : Naniwa, Mana, White-Ra,Sase
T : Thorzain, Kas, Beastyqt
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
December 28 2011 19:05 GMT
#659
Sweden followed by Ukraine
alpinefpOPP
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States134 Posts
December 28 2011 19:05 GMT
#660
USA, only because we have the grack
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