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Which Non-Korea Nation has the best pro lineup? - Page 32

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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 28 2011 18:07 GMT
#621
On December 29 2011 03:03 Markwerf wrote:
sweden best by far, then canada/usa and then france/germany/ukraine i think.
naniwa, idra, huk and stephano are best foreigners imo so their respective countries should be placed highly. Ukraine is quite ok but their top players are just not as good as some other countries. White-ra, kas and dimaga are ok but not top level, I wouldn't rank any of them in top 10 foreigners.


Kas defeated HuK at WCG, Dimaga defeated HuK at Assembly, White-Ra won a Tournament with a 50000$ prize-pool, which neiter Huk nor Idra has ever accomplished. Not top level? Really?
Nurmis
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland81 Posts
December 28 2011 18:08 GMT
#622
On December 29 2011 03:05 Malhorn wrote:
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez

You forgot Select and Major.
ThorZaIN | Leenock | Elfi | Dimaga | HayprO | Kas
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 18:08 GMT
#623
On December 29 2011 03:06 StyLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 03:03 GreEny K wrote:
On December 29 2011 02:48 Hardigan wrote:
On December 29 2011 02:42 GreEny K wrote:
On December 29 2011 02:40 Lewan72 wrote:
On December 29 2011 02:19 red4ce wrote:

I don't care for nitpicking your list but I am curious as to what South Korea's score would be under your system. Probably over 100.


I don't think tossing in random no-name pro-gamers should count. Remember its not all about quantity.


We would have to take ALL of the players that play SC2 in each country and then find the average skill level, and then do that for each country. Would be the only fair way.

no, that's bs. What if country AAA has 200 more C-players then Country BBB? the average skill would be much lower for AAA, although they maybe have the better top 5 players


If you're looking for best overall skill, that is the only way to do it... You have to take everyone into account. If you want the best countries based on top 5, then it changes. But that's not what this thread is about.


Uh, that is what this thread is about. Read the title again. Pro lineup = the best from each country. Top 5, Top 10, that's what the OP wants. Not some stupid cumulative average that sounds retarded in theory and is just as retarded in practice.


Easy killer, just because you don't understand that you need to take an average of something before you compare it to something without stipulations doesn't mean the theory is retarded... And guess what, if you wanna find the best countries, it would have to be by average, not by top 3...5 ...10 or whatever.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Hunterai
Profile Joined October 2010
Thailand842 Posts
December 28 2011 18:10 GMT
#624
Not surprise to see Sweden in most people view as first place.
However, I'm really surprise to see China is not mentioned consistently as top 3 (and IMHO, a genuine contender for top spot)
Roynalf
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland886 Posts
December 28 2011 18:11 GMT
#625
On December 29 2011 03:08 Nurmis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 03:05 Malhorn wrote:
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez

You forgot Select and Major.

Major is from Mexico
(V) (;,,;) (V) Woopwoopwoopwoop
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 18:12 GMT
#626
On December 29 2011 03:10 Hunterai wrote:
Not surprise to see Sweden in most people view as first place.
However, I'm really surprise to see China is not mentioned consistently as top 3 (and IMHO, a genuine contender for top spot)


Yeah, most people don't include China in anything, it was the same in BW. They are their own little entity, and don't really play in a lot of tournaments outside of China. So you can't really include them because their sample size is too small, since nobody know how good they really are.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
discobaas
Profile Joined December 2011
225 Posts
December 28 2011 18:13 GMT
#627
On December 29 2011 03:11 Roynalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 03:08 Nurmis wrote:
On December 29 2011 03:05 Malhorn wrote:
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez

You forgot Select and Major.

Major is from Mexico

LOL not sure if trollception or ?
you're wrong
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 18:13 GMT
#628
On December 29 2011 03:11 Roynalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 03:08 Nurmis wrote:
On December 29 2011 03:05 Malhorn wrote:
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez

You forgot Select and Major.

Major is from Mexico


Lol yes, that's the point.

Huk is Canadian, Stephano is French, DeMuslim is British and PuMa is Korean. He wasn't being serious.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
FunkyFly
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden82 Posts
December 28 2011 18:14 GMT
#629
On December 29 2011 03:11 Roynalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 03:08 Nurmis wrote:
On December 29 2011 03:05 Malhorn wrote:
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez

You forgot Select and Major.

Major is from Mexico


This is so true. Thx Roynalf.... ^^

Wonder when China will be in top 3 outside Korea.
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
December 28 2011 18:15 GMT
#630
On December 29 2011 03:11 Roynalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 03:08 Nurmis wrote:
On December 29 2011 03:05 Malhorn wrote:
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez

You forgot Select and Major.

Major is from Mexico



haha either you are trolling or you completely missed the point. I cant really tell which on it is.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 18:16 GMT
#631
On December 29 2011 03:14 FunkyFly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 03:11 Roynalf wrote:
On December 29 2011 03:08 Nurmis wrote:
On December 29 2011 03:05 Malhorn wrote:
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez

You forgot Select and Major.

Major is from Mexico


This is so true. Thx Roynalf.... ^^

Wonder when China will be in top 3 outside Korea.


When they make themselves known to the rest of the world. They stick to their own tournaments mainly, and nobody knows how good they really are.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Willba
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom209 Posts
December 28 2011 18:16 GMT
#632
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6

The power of China...

I would say Sweden/China/Ukraine as my top 3.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3819 Posts
December 28 2011 18:18 GMT
#633
On December 29 2011 03:05 Malhorn wrote:
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez


Not sure if being serious or just American :D

Best troll post in a long while
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 28 2011 18:19 GMT
#634
On December 29 2011 03:16 Willba wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6

The power of China...

I would say Sweden/China/Ukraine as my top 3.


That was online. Offline they got demolished at IEM China, but made in into the final of WCG. Nobody really knows, how good they are.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 18:19 GMT
#635
On December 29 2011 03:16 Willba wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6

The power of China...

I would say Sweden/China/Ukraine as my top 3.


China is strong, definitely, but I wouldn't look to that tournament for statistics. There were some upsets in that tournament.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Roynalf
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland886 Posts
December 28 2011 18:20 GMT
#636
On December 29 2011 03:13 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 03:11 Roynalf wrote:
On December 29 2011 03:08 Nurmis wrote:
On December 29 2011 03:05 Malhorn wrote:
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez

You forgot Select and Major.

Major is from Mexico


Lol yes, that's the point.

Huk is Canadian, Stephano is French, DeMuslim is British and PuMa is Korean. He wasn't being serious.

I didnt read the orginal quote
(V) (;,,;) (V) Woopwoopwoopwoop
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 18:21 GMT
#637
On December 29 2011 03:20 Roynalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 03:13 GreEny K wrote:
On December 29 2011 03:11 Roynalf wrote:
On December 29 2011 03:08 Nurmis wrote:
On December 29 2011 03:05 Malhorn wrote:
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez

You forgot Select and Major.

Major is from Mexico


Lol yes, that's the point.

Huk is Canadian, Stephano is French, DeMuslim is British and PuMa is Korean. He wasn't being serious.

I didnt read the orginal quote


ahhhaa, I thought you were trolling at first.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Jombozeus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
China1014 Posts
December 28 2011 18:23 GMT
#638
On the topic of China... There are at least 3 Chinese players in the top 200 of the korean ladder that I know of, and maybe a few that I don't under smurfs. Xigua is consistently top 30 GM in Korea.

There aren't many pro players in China, but the ones that are pro are definitely capable of making Code A.

For reference, Destiny is 150th on Korean ladder, Naniwa maxed out at rank 6 and is now rank ~50 due to lag with his setup, Sen is ~40, Jinro is ~50, Stephano is ~20-30 when he plays. This is definitely not be-all end-all, as ladder really doesn't show who is going to win tournaments, but is without a doubt the best gauge of average skill and consistency that we have.

Speaking of Sen, I don't understand why no one even considers Taiwan. Taiwan has a bustling scene with, Sen Hui Slam and a few others consistenly within top masters in Korea. Even luway, an amateur female gamer, placed in NA GM in season 3 with a ladder record of 70-10 or something like that. Taiwan has 5 teams in the pro circuit, with many members fully capable of surviving in Code A.
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
December 28 2011 18:24 GMT
#639
lol @ ppl sayin USA... unless you consider Stephano as an American, there is only Idra who is a good american player !

Sweden seems kinda obvious as the best after Korea (Thorzain, Naniwa, Sase, Sjow, Jinro, Morrow... scary !), then I would say Germany, Ukraine, Canada and France
D4V3Z02
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany693 Posts
December 28 2011 18:25 GMT
#640
Germany! :D
http://www.twitch.tv/d4v3z02 all your base are belong to overlord
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