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Pocky52
Profile Joined November 2011
United States463 Posts
January 24 2012 23:11 GMT
#941
I think the Netherlands have quite a bit, at least more than they've been mentioned in the rest of the thread... but not more than Sweden...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 24 2012 23:24 GMT
#942
On January 25 2012 05:25 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 07:22 Torte de Lini wrote:
On December 31 2011 19:35 chrisolo wrote:
On December 31 2011 16:43 Resonance wrote:
1)Sweden for sure: Thorzain, nani and jinro. No Sase morrow and the others aren't that great.
2)USA: IdrA(pronounced ih-dra, kinda like idiot), Sheth
3) Canada: HuK, combatex, HairZerg(firezerg)
something high)France: definitely not. You have stephano kbye


LOL, so Adelscott, ToD, MoMaN, Aures, KenZy, Sarens is worse then Combat-Ex and HairZerg (I heard that nick the first time ever on TL...) ?

I do not think so, buddy. France is on par, if not better then Canada.

For Canada you can make a good team too:
HuK, Kiwikaki, TT1, Drewbie, JF (does he still play some?)

I think it would be close in an all-kill format Canada vs France. Pretty even:

HuK =< Stephano
Kiwikaki = ToD
TT1 >= Sarens
Drewbie >= MoMaN
JF = Aures/KenZy

Imho.

My top 10 (with 5 players each):

1) Sweden (Naniwa, SaSe, Morrow, ThorZaiN, (Sjow/Bischu/Jimpo/JinrO/merZ one of these) )
2) Ukraine (White-Ra, Kas, DIMAGA, Strelok, (Bly/Alf/HappyZerg) )
3) Poland (MaNa, Nerchio, Tarson, Diestar, Tefel/ParanOid/Slider)
4) France (Stephano, ToD, Sarens, MoMaN, KenZy)
5) Canada (HuK, TT1, Drewbie, Kiwikaki, JF)
6) Germany (Socke, HasuObs, DarKForCe, GoOdy, Delphi/Mondragon/XlorD/RINE)
7) USA (IdrA, Sheth, qxc, Attero, Gatored)
8) BeNeLux (Grubby, Ret, Feast, DabOo, Orly)
9) Finland (Naama, Satinii, Fuzer, elfi, SeiN)
10) Russia (Brat_OK, TitaN, Aristeo, slivko , Abver/VERDI/Roll/Ho8ot)

Rank 8-10 is really close tho.


Attero is Canadian -____-



I'd put US above Germany. To me Canada and the US are a wash. Aside from an elite player or two, the rest of their rosters are filled out with solid, but not great players.


What?
Did you even look half of what you said up?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
RooStaR
Profile Joined January 2011
United States58 Posts
January 24 2012 23:29 GMT
#943
On January 25 2012 06:53 mTwTT1 wrote:
iem is hosting a nation wars league soon so theres no need to speculate on who the best country is, well have the facts soon enought


So will HuK be on the USA team or the Canada team? HuK was born in the US and lived ~16 years there.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
January 24 2012 23:32 GMT
#944
On January 25 2012 08:29 RooStaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 06:53 mTwTT1 wrote:
iem is hosting a nation wars league soon so theres no need to speculate on who the best country is, well have the facts soon enought


So will HuK be on the USA team or the Canada team? HuK was born in the US and lived ~16 years there.

which country did HuK represent for WCG?

your answer is probably there
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5525 Posts
January 24 2012 23:46 GMT
#945
Did HuK represent canada because he wanted to, or because that is where an available spot was? It's his decision to pick whatever country he would want to represent.
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
January 25 2012 00:07 GMT
#946
Huk has been playing under Canadian flag in every event since the beta.... not sure why people always ask, we know he has both citizenship, get over it
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
January 25 2012 00:17 GMT
#947
Sweden, Ukraine, China are my picks, in that order
Kimla
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden400 Posts
January 25 2012 00:17 GMT
#948
Sweden and Ukraine easy!
no gg no skill
AmstAff
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany949 Posts
January 25 2012 00:28 GMT
#949
1. Sweden / Ukraine
3. Germany / Poland / Russia
6. Canada
7. USA / a lot of other Countries (I only see IdrA who is outstanding and the rest of the American players could be beaten by any other top player of other nations that I haven't mentioned: France, Netherlands, Norway and so on just as examples)
after 2 years i reached it = marine icon
Therg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden238 Posts
January 25 2012 00:34 GMT
#950
I actually think that China is nr 1, but they are quite unknown as off yet.

Apart from China I have to go with Sweden, just because we have more top players than Ukraine.

Naniwa, Thorzain, Jinro, SaSe, Morrow, Sjow, Haypro are the big ones I guess...
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 25 2012 00:35 GMT
#951
Sweden and Ukraine, hands down. Although Sweden is the best in the world, they could trash Korea ez. Banjo all-kill from the start.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Chris1097
Profile Joined August 2011
United States35 Posts
January 25 2012 00:36 GMT
#952
Sweden probably with powerhouses like Naniwa, and ThorZain, but I would place Ukraine as a close second.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
January 25 2012 00:36 GMT
#953
On January 25 2012 09:28 AmstAff wrote:
1. Sweden / Ukraine
3. Germany / Poland / Russia
6. Canada
7. USA / a lot of other Countries (I only see IdrA who is outstanding and the rest of the American players could be beaten by any other top player of other nations that I haven't mentioned: France, Netherlands, Norway and so on just as examples)

Yeah, USA is pretty low. I think back in the old BW days you could make a case for the US (Tyler, IdrA, Artosis, and I'm assuming a few others) but I wasn't around then so I don't even know if our lineup was strong then
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
MoDerNWW
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1 Post
January 25 2012 00:47 GMT
#954
1. Sweden
2. Ukraine
3. China
4. Russia
5. Germany
Rixi
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain77 Posts
January 25 2012 00:55 GMT
#955
Sweden Ukraine Russia Poland China Germany Canada Usa
Proud Atheist
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
January 25 2012 01:45 GMT
#956
Ukraine and Sweden hope of Europe
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 01:50:49
January 25 2012 01:47 GMT
#957
Sweden is a slump right now , so Ukraine first right now (IEM) I hope MorroW ThorZaIN and nAni can step up their game

EDIT: You guys forgetting about poland, i think 3rd place: MaNa, Nerchio, Tarson (inconsistent but good)
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 02:18:34
January 25 2012 02:18 GMT
#958
On January 25 2012 09:36 McFeser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 09:28 AmstAff wrote:
1. Sweden / Ukraine
3. Germany / Poland / Russia
6. Canada
7. USA / a lot of other Countries (I only see IdrA who is outstanding and the rest of the American players could be beaten by any other top player of other nations that I haven't mentioned: France, Netherlands, Norway and so on just as examples)

Yeah, USA is pretty low. I think back in the old BW days you could make a case for the US (Tyler, IdrA, Artosis, and I'm assuming a few others) but I wasn't around then so I don't even know if our lineup was strong then

USA wasn't bad in broodwar but it was never amazing either (at least not when I played and I stopped in 2006)
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 02:20:43
January 25 2012 02:20 GMT
#959
On January 25 2012 11:18 ReignFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 09:36 McFeser wrote:
On January 25 2012 09:28 AmstAff wrote:
1. Sweden / Ukraine
3. Germany / Poland / Russia
6. Canada
7. USA / a lot of other Countries (I only see IdrA who is outstanding and the rest of the American players could be beaten by any other top player of other nations that I haven't mentioned: France, Netherlands, Norway and so on just as examples)

Yeah, USA is pretty low. I think back in the old BW days you could make a case for the US (Tyler, IdrA, Artosis, and I'm assuming a few others) but I wasn't around then so I don't even know if our lineup was strong then

USA wasn't bad in broodwar but it was never amazing either (at least not when I played and I stopped in 2006)


You're forgetting Froz,Assem,Yosh? they were all pretty darn good imo

but then Sweden had everlast,SaFT,WiLLEt,Whiz,TreK
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