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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
After that it's several countries all close to each other: Ukraine, Poland, Germany, USA, Canada, Russia, France in that order more or less Not sure exactly where China stands tbh but they should be up there. Any of those listed above could take a nation war from Sweden. It's actually pretty exciting that it's so difficult to pick a clear top 5. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On January 25 2012 05:58 Utinni wrote: NATIONS CUP, NAOOOWW One can only hope! :D | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
For example the USA has: Idra Huk Sheth Select Gatored/Illusion/Tyler/Destiny/QXC/KawaiiRice/Axslav (as the 5th guy) So in a format similar to IPL Team Arena I'd say the USA can field a lineup as strong as any non Korean Nation. But beyond the depth of their big four (two of which are debatebly Canadian and Korean) they don't have a lot to rival Sweden. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On January 25 2012 05:57 meadbert wrote: #1 Korea #2 Sweden #3 Ukraine #4 Poland (Mostly Nerchio and Mana) #5 China #6 France (Mostly Stephano) #7 Russia #8 USA #9 Germany #10 Canada china as 5? only loner made a small impact at blizz con way earlier but since then they havent had any results that are worth mentioning they always do really poorly at foreign tournaments also russia is no way better than canada or germany - nor is USA france are pretty much stephano and tod then it becomes very mediocre ukraine poland and sweden are probably the top 3 (non-korean ofc) and then france and germany and canada pretty much on the same level imo then quite a bit of nothing and then probably russia and USA (only atm ofc but sheth and qxc are really not that active in tourneys lately and that 2 europeans were top 4 at us qualifier pretty much tells the story) | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On January 25 2012 06:05 Seraphone wrote: Depends massively on if we're talking in a tournament or overall. For example the USA has: Idra Huk Sheth Select Gatored/Illusion/Tyler/Destiny/QXC/KawaiiRice/Axslav (as the 5th guy) So in a format similar to IPL Team Arena I'd say the USA can field a lineup as strong as any non Korean Nation. But beyond the depth of their big four (two of which are debatebly Canadian and Korean) they don't have a lot to rival Sweden. select not USA huk not USA and the lineups is dead  some of those guys you listed as your 5th slot are going to form a really strong team soon imo | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 25 2012 06:06 sVnteen wrote: china as 5? only loner made a small impact at blizz con way earlier but since then they havent had any results that are worth mentioning they always do really poorly at foreign tournaments also russia is no way better than canada or germany - nor is USA france are pretty much stephano and tod then it becomes very mediocre ukraine poland and sweden are probably the top 3 (non-korean ofc) and then france and germany and canada pretty much on the same level imo then quite a bit of nothing and then probably russia and USA (only atm ofc but sheth and qxc are really not that active in tourneys lately and that 2 europeans were top 4 at us qualifier pretty much tells the story) Germany are better than Poland. Poland have two top foreigners but almost no depth. Germany can put out a good 10 players. | ||
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Seraphone
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On January 25 2012 06:09 sVnteen wrote: select not USA huk not USA and the lineups is dead some of those guys you listed as your 5th slot are going to form a really strong team soon imo Huk could be American if he wanted (legit dual nationality) and Select has represented the USA at Blizzcon. | ||
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GrapeApe
1053 Posts
On January 25 2012 06:09 sVnteen wrote: select not USA huk not USA and the lineups is dead some of those guys you listed as your 5th slot are going to form a really strong team soon imo Select has alternated his flag throughout much of his gaming career, if I remember corrently. I thought I remember seeing him fly an American flag at times during his DoW and WC3 days. Could be wrong, though. | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On January 25 2012 06:02 Mazer wrote: Sweden #1 After that it's several countries all close to each other: Ukraine, Poland, Germany, USA, Canada, Russia, France in that order more or less Not sure exactly where China stands tbh but they should be up there. Any of those listed above could take a nation war from Sweden. It's actually pretty exciting that it's so difficult to pick a clear top 5. USA would lose 9/10 times to Sweden, Ukraine, Germany and Russia in a Best of 7 proleague (not winners) style format. And since the point of nation wars is the depth of the team I feel that would be the most appropriate amount of games. I have no idea why US players aren't as good given their potential and the amount of people on the NA server. I would guess it has something to do with the gaming culture and just how spread out the whole scene in the US is. However given the MLG's and CSL and HSL I think in 2-3 years the US should be easily in the top 3 nations regarding player strength and depth along with China and South Korea. But right now the talent from the US is pretty much a joke compared to the smaller more compact European scenes. France and Poland also have better depth and strength than the US team at the moment, but they're not as far ahead of the US as other nations. I really think it's criminal how underrated the Russian team is, unfortunately they're always always always plagued with Visa problems. Right now if I had to rank the top four I'd put Sweden and Ukraine ahead by a far stretch then Russia and finally Germany. Of course China is a complete unknown to me so I won't comment. As a Norwegian I have no bias as my Country sucks except for the people on Gamers League and I really hope they step up. | ||
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Santiago4ever
Sweden299 Posts
On January 25 2012 06:11 Seraphone wrote: Huk could be American if he wanted (legit dual nationality) and Select has represented the USA at Blizzcon. I really doubt that Select has an american passport. | ||
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ratzp0li
United States340 Posts
Holy shit Grubby, Ret + Rotterdam fighting!! | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8313 Posts
Also I almost think Ukraine could beat sweden in an epic nation war these days after IEM Kiev... Sase, Naniwa and Sjow would put up a hard fight though, but I think the ukranians could beat the rest of Sweden's lineup pretty easily now (though Thorzain is still a beast). Fine, I guess sweden still wins, but it's kinda close at the top there. | ||
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Kitaen
Austria466 Posts
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Santiago4ever
Sweden299 Posts
On January 25 2012 06:15 GrapeApe wrote: Select has alternated his flag throughout much of his gaming career, if I remember corrently. I thought I remember seeing him fly an American flag at times during his DoW and WC3 days. Could be wrong, though. He moved to USA late in DoW history. Even if he used an american flag (which I really don't remember. I know he played some tournaments a while after moving but still used korean flag afaik) he was a korean citizen. Oh and sweden would rip every non-korean nation in SC2, just as they would have done in DoW :D | ||
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hahaimhenry
Canada368 Posts
On January 25 2012 06:16 ratzp0li wrote: I think you guys are forgetting about the netherlands Holy shit Grubby, Ret + Rotterdam fighting!! What does rotterdam have to do with the topic? | ||
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Drolla
United Kingdom389 Posts
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On January 25 2012 06:15 GrapeApe wrote: Select has alternated his flag throughout much of his gaming career, if I remember corrently. I thought I remember seeing him fly an American flag at times during his DoW and WC3 days. Could be wrong, though. ![[image loading]](http://wis.wcg.com/upload/content/photo/200704/1021_112.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/20Q20A/select3.jpg) Also, SeleCT didn't "represent USA" at Blizzcon, he was there because he won that NA Blizzcon thing that he got invited to because he pretty much owned the NA ladder at the time. | ||
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
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Waterflow
Sweden1550 Posts
On January 25 2012 06:18 TheDougler wrote: I agree that Germany is better than Canda by the narowest of margins (DAMN YOU HASUOBS!!!!!!!) But, I'd rank Canada over USA any day and I don't think I'm even being too biased. Guess it all depends on how you count HuK though. Also I almost think Ukraine could beat sweden in an epic nation war these days after IEM Kiev... Sase, Naniwa and Sjow would put up a hard fight though, but I think the ukranians could beat the rest of Sweden's lineup pretty easily now (though Thorzain is still a beast). Fine, I guess sweden still wins, but it's kinda close at the top there. I don't know why you would say that based on a tournament where only 1 swede participated and he got eliminated by a korean. Was like 4 ukrainians there i think and 1 swede. It doesn't say much really. Not a fair comparison imo. We will have to see when there is a more even number of players from both countries competing in the same tournament. | ||
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