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Bocian
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland259 Posts
January 24 2012 21:41 GMT
#921
On January 25 2012 06:10 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 06:06 sVnteen wrote:
On January 25 2012 05:57 meadbert wrote:
#1 Korea
#2 Sweden
#3 Ukraine
#4 Poland (Mostly Nerchio and Mana)
#5 China
#6 France (Mostly Stephano)
#7 Russia
#8 USA
#9 Germany
#10 Canada


china as 5?

only loner made a small impact at blizz con way earlier but since then they havent had any results that are worth mentioning
they always do really poorly at foreign tournaments

also russia is no way better than canada or germany - nor is USA

france are pretty much stephano and tod then it becomes very mediocre

ukraine poland and sweden are probably the top 3 (non-korean ofc) and then france and germany and canada pretty much on the same level imo

then quite a bit of nothing and then probably russia and USA (only atm ofc but sheth and qxc are really not that active in tourneys lately and that 2 europeans were top 4 at us qualifier pretty much tells the story)


Germany are better than Poland. Poland have two top foreigners but almost no depth. Germany can put out a good 10 players.


Poland has Mana, Nerchio, Diestar, Romson, Tefel, Tarson. 15 guys in GM We are really good but some on those guys are not that known. Well Germany is really good either, but I feel it's really hard to tell which country has better lineup
TimeMithrandir
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany4 Posts
January 24 2012 21:42 GMT
#922
1.Korea
2.Sweden(Nani,Morrow,Thorzain,SjoW)
3.Ukr(White-Ra,Kas,Strelok,Dima)
4.Ger(Socke,Hasu,DF,Goody...)
5.PolandNerchio Tarson and Mana)
Scio
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany522 Posts
January 24 2012 21:45 GMT
#923
mmhh i would do it that way:

1st Tier: Sweden, Ukraine

2nd Tier: Canada, Germany, Poland, France

3rd Tier: USA, Russia, Netherlands

4th Tier: Italy (Cloud), Belgium (Feast, the IEM Kiev underdog), Finland (Naama), UK (Demuslim) and probably some countries i forgot the players from....

No real order in any of these....maybe USA at the top of the 3rd tier
"Did you know that in the original batman movie they casted nestea as joker but when batman threw him into the acid he was fine so they had to recast it with Jack Nicholson......it's a true fact" -Artosis
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
January 24 2012 21:47 GMT
#924
1) Korea
2) Sweden, Ukraine
3) Canada, Germany, France, USA
4) Poland
5) Everyone else.
RageCommodore
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
January 24 2012 21:50 GMT
#925
Fun fact: pretty much all of Germany's up and coming players are Terrans lol. Just realized that we have like 20 players in GM.

Ukraine/Sweden is undeniably at the top though.
BW: sGs.sTaRfaLL SC2: MarojiN | fan of: Darkforce, DBS, Last, Mvp, BoguS/InnoVatioN | Executer vs Choosy on Gladiator - Never forget T-T
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 24 2012 21:53 GMT
#926
Let's not forget China.

I would put Sweden, Ukraine and China on the 2nd tier, first tier being Korea. Xigua had a very strong performance at WCG, I am curious to see if Macsed and Xigua can survive in Code A, something most foreigners have not been able to do.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
January 24 2012 21:53 GMT
#927
iem is hosting a nation wars league soon so theres no need to speculate on who the best country is, well have the facts soon enought
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
HadesCP
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada98 Posts
January 24 2012 21:54 GMT
#928
On January 25 2012 06:53 mTwTT1 wrote:
iem is hosting a nation wars league soon so theres no need to speculate on who the best country is, well have the facts soon enought


Awesome, will you be lacing em up for Canada? Wonder who else will too..
Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
January 24 2012 21:55 GMT
#929
On January 25 2012 06:50 RageCommodore wrote:
Fun fact: pretty much all of Germany's up and coming players are Terrans lol. Just realized that we have like 20 players in GM.

Ukraine/Sweden is undeniably at the top though.


I noticed this aswell O_O But oh well, better only terrans than no terrans, no toss and no zerg :D
And I have to agree, Sweden/Ukraine is definetly miles ahead of the rest of the foreign world.

( I wouldn't count HuK as he basically lives in Korea )

Personally I'd find it awesome if Grubby would get more exposure to the international scene. Since he's on his own team he won't ever compete in team leagues or hardly ever on sponsored showmatches. Pretty sad imho.
"The way of life can be free and beautiful. But we have lost the way. " - Charlie Chaplin
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
January 24 2012 21:57 GMT
#930
On January 25 2012 06:45 Scio wrote:
mmhh i would do it that way:

1st Tier: Sweden, Ukraine

2nd Tier: Canada, Germany, Poland, France

3rd Tier: USA, Russia, Netherlands

4th Tier: Italy (Cloud), Belgium (Feast, the IEM Kiev underdog), Finland (Naama), UK (Demuslim) and probably some countries i forgot the players from....

No real order in any of these....maybe USA at the top of the 3rd tier


You kidding me?

UK, Demuslim, Lau, BlinG
Head of Production at FACEITTV, ex-WW & Mouz SC2 manager
RageCommodore
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
January 24 2012 22:04 GMT
#931
On January 25 2012 06:57 Tidus Mino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 06:45 Scio wrote:
mmhh i would do it that way:

1st Tier: Sweden, Ukraine

2nd Tier: Canada, Germany, Poland, France

3rd Tier: USA, Russia, Netherlands

4th Tier: Italy (Cloud), Belgium (Feast, the IEM Kiev underdog), Finland (Naama), UK (Demuslim) and probably some countries i forgot the players from....

No real order in any of these....maybe USA at the top of the 3rd tier


You kidding me?

UK, Demuslim, Lau, BlinG


Well... Lau lost badly to TaKe, so I'm not too sure of his level of play :D
BW: sGs.sTaRfaLL SC2: MarojiN | fan of: Darkforce, DBS, Last, Mvp, BoguS/InnoVatioN | Executer vs Choosy on Gladiator - Never forget T-T
obsKura
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland1061 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 22:19:22
January 24 2012 22:10 GMT
#932
Sweden, Ukraine, Germany, slightly behind those are probably USA, France, Poland, Canada

---

Sweden so scary with NaNiWa, SaSe, ThorZaiN, MorroW, Jinro, Sjow, HayprO, Bischu, merz, Cytoplasm, Seiplo, LaLush, Naugrim, Jimpo

Ukraine scary as well but not that many players than Sweden: White-ra, DIMAGA, Strelok, Kas, Bly, HappyZerg, ALF

Germany pretty solid with Socke, HasuObs, DarKFoRcE, TLO, GoOdy, Delphi, Xlord (Mondragon)
C9 ~^v^~ In EE-sama we trust. ~^v^~ C9
Scio
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany522 Posts
January 24 2012 22:27 GMT
#933
On January 25 2012 06:57 Tidus Mino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 06:45 Scio wrote:
mmhh i would do it that way:

1st Tier: Sweden, Ukraine

2nd Tier: Canada, Germany, Poland, France

3rd Tier: USA, Russia, Netherlands

4th Tier: Italy (Cloud), Belgium (Feast, the IEM Kiev underdog), Finland (Naama), UK (Demuslim) and probably some countries i forgot the players from....

No real order in any of these....maybe USA at the top of the 3rd tier


You kidding me?

UK, Demuslim, Lau, BlinG


Yea i forgot Bling but even then every country from Tier 3 is still stronger^^

Aslo @people ranking Korea as #1 should check the threadtitle
"Did you know that in the original batman movie they casted nestea as joker but when batman threw him into the acid he was fine so they had to recast it with Jack Nicholson......it's a true fact" -Artosis
Sajaki
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 22:31:58
January 24 2012 22:30 GMT
#934
sweden most definately. After that it is ukraine imho. Canada cant compete with either of those =//
Inno pls...
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
January 24 2012 22:32 GMT
#935
If we are talking about current form then probably ukraine.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
January 24 2012 22:33 GMT
#936
On January 25 2012 06:53 mTwTT1 wrote:
iem is hosting a nation wars league soon so theres no need to speculate on who the best country is, well have the facts soon enought

Didn't a lot of players turn that down? Or maybe I'm confusing it with some other nation esque war competition.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
January 24 2012 22:45 GMT
#937
Sweden and Ukraine. Not much debate to be had.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
DjRetro
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Chile309 Posts
January 24 2012 22:47 GMT
#938
Sweden, as everybody said.
SpaceSynth-ItaloDisco-HiNRG http://www.radiostaddenhaag.com/
RageCommodore
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany912 Posts
January 24 2012 22:57 GMT
#939
Sweden vs Ukraine bo9 would be sick.
BW: sGs.sTaRfaLL SC2: MarojiN | fan of: Darkforce, DBS, Last, Mvp, BoguS/InnoVatioN | Executer vs Choosy on Gladiator - Never forget T-T
rckY
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany116 Posts
January 24 2012 23:03 GMT
#940
Sweden.. just look at Sweden Lineup, nuff said.
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