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Krallman
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden713 Posts
December 28 2011 17:42 GMT
#601
Sweden, Sase + Naniwa + Thorzain <3
Im better than Stefan
TheMenace
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany244 Posts
December 28 2011 17:44 GMT
#602
On December 29 2011 02:19 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 01:07 Malaz wrote:
So lets do this with a point system. I know this doesn't make the whole thing any less subjective, but I'm bored right now I don't know the Chinese players well enough so I won't put them in the equation.

A+: Top foreigner able to beat almost every top Korean in a Bo3 = 5 points
A: Still one of the best foreigners, just a step away from A+ = 3 points
B+: Player between A and B = 2,5 points
B: Very strong player that can win online cups but no big lans = 2 points
C+: Player between B and C = 1,5 points
C: Players with great potential that haven't delivered results yet or players that used to be higher but are currently in a little slump = 1 point

Sweden: Naniwa A+, SaSe A, ThorZain A, MorroW B+, SjoW B, Bischu B, hayprO B, Merz C+, Jinro C+, Seiplo C, Jimpo C, LaLush C, Naugrim C = 26,5

Canada: HuK A+, Kiwikaki B+, SLush B, TT1 C+, Drewbie C+, dde C, Ostojiy C = 14,5

USA: Idra A, Sheth B+, qxc C+, Gatored C+,Tyler C, Pokebunny C Machine C, iNcontroL C, KawaiiRice C, Painuser C = 14,5

Ukraine: White-Ra A, Dimaga A, Kas A, Strelok B+, Bly C+, HappyZerg C = 14

Germany HasuObs B+, Socke B+, GoOdy B+, TLO B, Darkforce C+, XlorD C+, Mondragon C = 13,5

France: Stephano A+, ToD B+, SarenS C+, Adelscott C+, MoMan C 11,5

Poland: Nerchio A, Mana A, Tarson B+, DieStar C, Paranoid C =10,5

Russia: BratOk B+, Happy B, Titan C, Pomi C, Abver C, LiveZerg C, HasHe C = 9,5

Netherlands: Ret A, Grubby B+, DaBoO C = 6,5

UK: DeMusliM A, BlinG C+, Pureball C = 5,5

Finland: Elfi B+, Welmu C+, Naama C+ ,Satiini C = 5,5

Australia: mOOnGlaDe B, Iaguz C+, tgun C = 4,5

Romania: Nightend B, Deathangel C+ = 3,5

Peru: Fenix B, CatZ C = 3

Serbia: Beastyqt B+ =2,5

Chile: KiLLeR B+ = 2,5

Italy: Cloud B = 2

Denmark: BabyKnight C, Ciara C = 2

Spain: Lucifron C+ = 1,5

Belarus: LoWeLy C+ = 1,5

Israel: Osho C+ =1,5

Norway: Snute = 1,5

Switzerland: biGs C = 1

Belgium: Orly C = 1

I'm sure I missed some players and keep in mind the ranking is very subjective . Also the ranking system itself doesn't necessarily provide the beste Sc2 nations besides Korea and China. Although I think it's quite safe to say it's Sweden no matter how you look at it





I don't care for nitpicking your list but I am curious as to what South Korea's score would be under your system. Probably over 100.


Over 9000!!
isleyofthenorth
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Austria894 Posts
December 28 2011 17:44 GMT
#603
ukraine beats sweden. Whitera Dimaga Kas Strelok
discobaas
Profile Joined December 2011
225 Posts
December 28 2011 17:45 GMT
#604
On December 29 2011 02:04 JoeAWESOME wrote:
Sweden! We have so many talented players!

Jinro, MorroW, SaSe, Haypro, Sjow, Thorzain, Naniwa, Merz, Bischu, Cytoplasm

We also have lesser known players that are really good!
Seiplo, Naugrim, Forsen, Runa...

Now lets imagine this sick tournament. 10 nation tournament with some of the best players in the world. Bo7, All kill format!

Team Sweden (Jinro, MorroW, SaSe, Naniwa, Thorzain, Haypro)
Team Germany (TLO, Socke, Goody, Hasuhobs, Darkforce, Delphi)
Team Ukraine (WhiteRa, Dimaga, Kas, Strelok, HappyZerg, Bly)
Team Poland (Nerchio, Mana, DieStar, Tarson, SliDeR, ParanOid)
Team Canada (Huk, KiwiKaki, DDE, Slush, TT1, Drewbie)
Team USA (Idra, Sheth, Vibe, QXC, Tyler, Gatored)
Team France (Stephano, SarenS, Adelscott, Tod, Carn, Kenzy)
Team China (Xigua, MacSeed, Infi, TooDming, Loner, F91)
Team Korea (Nestea, MVP, MMA, MC, DRG, Leenock)
Team Russia (Brat_OK, TitaN, HappyZerg, + 3 more )

Obviously this would be played out live (like the GSTL). If this would happend then it would be by far the sickest tournament in the very young Sc2 history!

Why would that be the sickest tournament lol, objectively it'd just be a poor man's gstl.
you're wrong
bGr.MetHiX
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria511 Posts
December 28 2011 17:45 GMT
#605
sweden followed closely by germany and ukraine.kas dimaga and white ra?omg?
Top50 GM EU Protoss from Bulgaria. Streaming with commentary : www.twitch.tv/hwbgmethix
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 17:51:59
December 28 2011 17:47 GMT
#606
On December 29 2011 01:07 Malaz wrote:
So lets do this with a point system. I know this doesn't make the whole thing any less subjective, but I'm bored right now I don't know the Chinese players well enough so I won't put them in the equation.

A+: Top foreigner able to beat almost every top Korean in a Bo3 = 5 points
A: Still one of the best foreigners, just a step away from A+ = 3 points
B+: Player between A and B = 2,5 points
B: Very strong player that can win online cups but no big lans = 2 points
C+: Player between B and C = 1,5 points
C: Players with great potential that haven't delivered results yet or players that used to be higher but are currently in a little slump = 1 point

Sweden: Naniwa A+, SaSe A, ThorZain A, MorroW B+, SjoW B, Bischu B, hayprO B, Merz C+, Jinro C+, Seiplo C, Jimpo C, LaLush C, Naugrim C = 26,5

Canada: HuK A+, Kiwikaki B+, SLush B, TT1 C+, Drewbie C+, dde C, Ostojiy C = 14,5

USA: Idra A, Sheth B+, qxc C+, Gatored C+,Tyler C, Pokebunny C Machine C, iNcontroL C, KawaiiRice C, Painuser C = 14,5

Ukraine: White-Ra A, Dimaga A, Kas A, Strelok B+, Bly C+, HappyZerg C = 14

Germany HasuObs B+, Socke B+, GoOdy B+, TLO B, Darkforce C+, XlorD C+, Mondragon C = 13,5

France: Stephano A+, ToD B+, SarenS C+, Adelscott C+, MoMan C 11,5

Poland: Nerchio A, Mana A, Tarson B+, DieStar C, Paranoid C =10,5

Russia: BratOk B+, Happy B, Titan C, Pomi C, Abver C, LiveZerg C, HasHe C = 9,5

Netherlands: Ret A, Grubby B+, DaBoO C = 6,5

UK: DeMusliM A, BlinG C+, Pureball C = 5,5

Finland: Elfi B+, Welmu C+, Naama C+ ,Satiini C = 5,5

Australia: mOOnGlaDe B, Iaguz C+, tgun C = 4,5

Romania: Nightend B, Deathangel C+ = 3,5

Peru: Fenix B, CatZ C = 3

Serbia: Beastyqt B+ =2,5

Chile: KiLLeR B+ = 2,5

Italy: Cloud B = 2

Denmark: BabyKnight C, Ciara C = 2

Spain: Lucifron C+ = 1,5

Belarus: LoWeLy C+ = 1,5

Israel: Osho C+ =1,5

Norway: Snute = 1,5

Switzerland: biGs C = 1

Belgium: Orly C = 1

I'm sure I missed some players and keep in mind the ranking is very subjective . Also the ranking system itself doesn't necessarily provide the beste Sc2 nations besides Korea and China. Although I think it's quite safe to say it's Sweden no matter how you look at it





HuK A+? He dropped out at the first round of one IEM, two Assemblys (lost both of his showmatches at the second), and did not reach ro8 in WCG or Dreamhack. People like Idra, Nerchio, MaNa, Kas, Thorzain seemed more dangerous lately and aren´t A+ and guys like Seiplo or titan, who where able to beat HuK are C?

The C-rank seems a bit weird in general, Titan, Pomi or Happyzerg are much better than guys like Tyler, Mondragon, Icontrol, MoMan, Painuser.

Also, if you add one of the last mentioned guys, you should add Underdark, BBQ/Ukrainestar, Delphi, rmdx, DBS, farmer, Honor, Tarra, Akkis as well.

I think the idea of a ranking like this is good, but I would give away more points for the quality of players than for their quantity.

I think I would rank the countries like this:

Sweden
Ukraine/China/Canada (assuming Huk is Canadian)
Poland/USA (assuming SeleCT is korean, otherwise USA a bit ahead)
Germany/France
BigLighthouse
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom424 Posts
December 28 2011 17:47 GMT
#607
On December 29 2011 02:45 discobaas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 02:04 JoeAWESOME wrote:
Sweden! We have so many talented players!

Jinro, MorroW, SaSe, Haypro, Sjow, Thorzain, Naniwa, Merz, Bischu, Cytoplasm

We also have lesser known players that are really good!
Seiplo, Naugrim, Forsen, Runa...

Now lets imagine this sick tournament. 10 nation tournament with some of the best players in the world. Bo7, All kill format!

Team Sweden (Jinro, MorroW, SaSe, Naniwa, Thorzain, Haypro)
Team Germany (TLO, Socke, Goody, Hasuhobs, Darkforce, Delphi)
Team Ukraine (WhiteRa, Dimaga, Kas, Strelok, HappyZerg, Bly)
Team Poland (Nerchio, Mana, DieStar, Tarson, SliDeR, ParanOid)
Team Canada (Huk, KiwiKaki, DDE, Slush, TT1, Drewbie)
Team USA (Idra, Sheth, Vibe, QXC, Tyler, Gatored)
Team France (Stephano, SarenS, Adelscott, Tod, Carn, Kenzy)
Team China (Xigua, MacSeed, Infi, TooDming, Loner, F91)
Team Korea (Nestea, MVP, MMA, MC, DRG, Leenock)
Team Russia (Brat_OK, TitaN, HappyZerg, + 3 more )

Obviously this would be played out live (like the GSTL). If this would happend then it would be by far the sickest tournament in the very young Sc2 history!

Why would that be the sickest tournament lol, objectively it'd just be a poor man's gstl.


It'd be awsome for the same reason the world cup is better than just watching the british premier league in football. People fucking love nation on nation action
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
December 28 2011 17:47 GMT
#608
On December 29 2011 02:40 Lewan72 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 02:19 red4ce wrote:
On December 29 2011 01:07 Malaz wrote:
So lets do this with a point system. I know this doesn't make the whole thing any less subjective, but I'm bored right now I don't know the Chinese players well enough so I won't put them in the equation.

A+: Top foreigner able to beat almost every top Korean in a Bo3 = 5 points
A: Still one of the best foreigners, just a step away from A+ = 3 points
B+: Player between A and B = 2,5 points
B: Very strong player that can win online cups but no big lans = 2 points
C+: Player between B and C = 1,5 points
C: Players with great potential that haven't delivered results yet or players that used to be higher but are currently in a little slump = 1 point

Sweden: Naniwa A+, SaSe A, ThorZain A, MorroW B+, SjoW B, Bischu B, hayprO B, Merz C+, Jinro C+, Seiplo C, Jimpo C, LaLush C, Naugrim C = 26,5

Canada: HuK A+, Kiwikaki B+, SLush B, TT1 C+, Drewbie C+, dde C, Ostojiy C = 14,5

USA: Idra A, Sheth B+, qxc C+, Gatored C+,Tyler C, Pokebunny C Machine C, iNcontroL C, KawaiiRice C, Painuser C = 14,5

Ukraine: White-Ra A, Dimaga A, Kas A, Strelok B+, Bly C+, HappyZerg C = 14

Germany HasuObs B+, Socke B+, GoOdy B+, TLO B, Darkforce C+, XlorD C+, Mondragon C = 13,5

France: Stephano A+, ToD B+, SarenS C+, Adelscott C+, MoMan C 11,5

Poland: Nerchio A, Mana A, Tarson B+, DieStar C, Paranoid C =10,5

Russia: BratOk B+, Happy B, Titan C, Pomi C, Abver C, LiveZerg C, HasHe C = 9,5

Netherlands: Ret A, Grubby B+, DaBoO C = 6,5

UK: DeMusliM A, BlinG C+, Pureball C = 5,5

Finland: Elfi B+, Welmu C+, Naama C+ ,Satiini C = 5,5

Australia: mOOnGlaDe B, Iaguz C+, tgun C = 4,5

Romania: Nightend B, Deathangel C+ = 3,5

Peru: Fenix B, CatZ C = 3

Serbia: Beastyqt B+ =2,5

Chile: KiLLeR B+ = 2,5

Italy: Cloud B = 2

Denmark: BabyKnight C, Ciara C = 2

Spain: Lucifron C+ = 1,5

Belarus: LoWeLy C+ = 1,5

Israel: Osho C+ =1,5

Norway: Snute = 1,5

Switzerland: biGs C = 1

Belgium: Orly C = 1

I'm sure I missed some players and keep in mind the ranking is very subjective . Also the ranking system itself doesn't necessarily provide the beste Sc2 nations besides Korea and China. Although I think it's quite safe to say it's Sweden no matter how you look at it





I don't care for nitpicking your list but I am curious as to what South Korea's score would be under your system. Probably over 100.


I don't think tossing in random no-name pro-gamers should count. Remember its not all about quantity.

Random no-name korean pro-gamers are a lot better than some of the players listed here.
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
December 28 2011 17:48 GMT
#609
On December 29 2011 02:42 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 02:40 Lewan72 wrote:
On December 29 2011 02:19 red4ce wrote:

I don't care for nitpicking your list but I am curious as to what South Korea's score would be under your system. Probably over 100.


I don't think tossing in random no-name pro-gamers should count. Remember its not all about quantity.


We would have to take ALL of the players that play SC2 in each country and then find the average skill level, and then do that for each country. Would be the only fair way.

no, that's bs. What if country AAA has 200 more C-players then Country BBB? the average skill would be much lower for AAA, although they maybe have the better top 5 players
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
December 28 2011 17:53 GMT
#610
On December 29 2011 01:07 Malaz wrote:
So lets do this with a point system. I know this doesn't make the whole thing any less subjective, but I'm bored right now I don't know the Chinese players well enough so I won't put them in the equation.

A+: Top foreigner able to beat almost every top Korean in a Bo3 = 5 points
A: Still one of the best foreigners, just a step away from A+ = 3 points
B+: Player between A and B = 2,5 points
B: Very strong player that can win online cups but no big lans = 2 points
C+: Player between B and C = 1,5 points
C: Players with great potential that haven't delivered results yet or players that used to be higher but are currently in a little slump = 1 point

Sweden: Naniwa A+, SaSe A, ThorZain A, MorroW B+, SjoW B, Bischu B, hayprO B, Merz C+, Jinro C+, Seiplo C, Jimpo C, LaLush C, Naugrim C = 26,5

Canada: HuK A+, Kiwikaki B+, SLush B, TT1 C+, Drewbie C+, dde C, Ostojiy C = 14,5

USA: Idra A, Sheth B+, qxc C+, Gatored C+,Tyler C, Pokebunny C Machine C, iNcontroL C, KawaiiRice C, Painuser C = 14,5

Ukraine: White-Ra A, Dimaga A, Kas A, Strelok B+, Bly C+, HappyZerg C = 14

Germany HasuObs B+, Socke B+, GoOdy B+, TLO B, Darkforce C+, XlorD C+, Mondragon C = 13,5

France: Stephano A+, ToD B+, SarenS C+, Adelscott C+, MoMan C 11,5

Poland: Nerchio A, Mana A, Tarson B+, DieStar C, Paranoid C =10,5

Russia: BratOk B+, Happy B, Titan C, Pomi C, Abver C, LiveZerg C, HasHe C = 9,5

Netherlands: Ret A, Grubby B+, DaBoO C = 6,5

UK: DeMusliM A, BlinG C+, Pureball C = 5,5

Finland: Elfi B+, Welmu C+, Naama C+ ,Satiini C = 5,5

Australia: mOOnGlaDe B, Iaguz C+, tgun C = 4,5

Romania: Nightend B, Deathangel C+ = 3,5

Peru: Fenix B, CatZ C = 3

Serbia: Beastyqt B+ =2,5

Chile: KiLLeR B+ = 2,5

Italy: Cloud B = 2

Denmark: BabyKnight C, Ciara C = 2

Spain: Lucifron C+ = 1,5

Belarus: LoWeLy C+ = 1,5

Israel: Osho C+ =1,5

Norway: Snute = 1,5

Switzerland: biGs C = 1

Belgium: Orly C = 1

I'm sure I missed some players and keep in mind the ranking is very subjective . Also the ranking system itself doesn't necessarily provide the beste Sc2 nations besides Korea and China. Although I think it's quite safe to say it's Sweden no matter how you look at it


your ranking system isn't too bad.

i think one thing most would agree upon is that the C rank fucks shit up hardcore. A lot of the players you list at C i don't think should even be counted, or let alone equal to other C players (see NA's C's vs say, ukraine's C). i think ukraine should be above both usa and canada and a ranking system in which this doesn't happen, isn't accurate IMO.
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stonetalon
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands482 Posts
December 28 2011 17:54 GMT
#611
sweden, ukraine, poland, germany, canada, USA, china.
MarineKingPrime, LiquidTaeja, Grubby, Naniwa fighting!
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
December 28 2011 17:54 GMT
#612
This thread is pointless, just tune into the country cup as it happens in the next few months and the argument will be settled
Head of Production at FACEITTV, ex-WW & Mouz SC2 manager
CallousCarter
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom81 Posts
December 28 2011 17:55 GMT
#613
On December 29 2011 01:40 KinQuh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 01:38 CallousCarter wrote:
On December 29 2011 01:33 KinQuh wrote:
On December 29 2011 01:32 CallousCarter wrote:
On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.

I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world.


White-ra has the tournament results to match almost any foreigner and don't for Strelok in the Ukrainian line-up. I'm sure there was an interview where Huk said he considered himself Canadian even if he was born and raised in America. That's a debatable issue. America has a lot of good but not great players but I suspect there's players equal to them in a lot of the european countries who don't get noticed as much because of the way IEM and dreamhack work compared to MLG.

They have idra and sheth,who are these decent players you are talking about?
Gatored, Kawaiirice, TriMaster, Pokebunny. Also whether you class Select as American or Korean could tip the scales.

Have they ever won anything? And no Select is not american.


They don't have any big tournament wins. The point I was making is there's probably a lot of European players who aren't known as well because MLG gets the most attention out of the foreign tournaments and there's always top rated players going through the open bracket who they might snipe.


On December 29 2011 01:40 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 01:38 CallousCarter wrote:
On December 29 2011 01:33 KinQuh wrote:
On December 29 2011 01:32 CallousCarter wrote:
On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.

I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world.


White-ra has the tournament results to match almost any foreigner and don't for Strelok in the Ukrainian line-up. I'm sure there was an interview where Huk said he considered himself Canadian even if he was born and raised in America. That's a debatable issue. America has a lot of good but not great players but I suspect there's players equal to them in a lot of the european countries who don't get noticed as much because of the way IEM and dreamhack work compared to MLG.

They have idra and sheth,who are these decent players you are talking about?
Gatored, Kawaiirice, TriMaster, Pokebunny. Also whether you class Select as American or Korean could tip the scales.


Why do people keep placing Pokebunny in the top of US... I seriously doubt he is. I would put State over him.

Ye i put in State afterwards.
Veriol
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic502 Posts
December 28 2011 18:02 GMT
#614
What you all argue about?? Best non korea lineup has sweden by FAR (Seiplo,SaSe,Bischu,Thorzain,Sjow,MorroW,HayprO...) list of very good sweden players could go on and on and it would still be players who can compete with the TOP from other countries.
Theres like no discussion srsly
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." -iloveoov
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 18:03 GMT
#615
On December 29 2011 02:48 Hardigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 02:42 GreEny K wrote:
On December 29 2011 02:40 Lewan72 wrote:
On December 29 2011 02:19 red4ce wrote:

I don't care for nitpicking your list but I am curious as to what South Korea's score would be under your system. Probably over 100.


I don't think tossing in random no-name pro-gamers should count. Remember its not all about quantity.


We would have to take ALL of the players that play SC2 in each country and then find the average skill level, and then do that for each country. Would be the only fair way.

no, that's bs. What if country AAA has 200 more C-players then Country BBB? the average skill would be much lower for AAA, although they maybe have the better top 5 players


If you're looking for best overall skill, that is the only way to do it... You have to take everyone into account. If you want the best countries based on top 5, then it changes. But that's not what this thread is about.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
December 28 2011 18:03 GMT
#616
sweden best by far, then canada/usa and then france/germany/ukraine i think.
naniwa, idra, huk and stephano are best foreigners imo so their respective countries should be placed highly. Ukraine is quite ok but their top players are just not as good as some other countries. White-ra, kas and dimaga are ok but not top level, I wouldn't rank any of them in top 10 foreigners.
Malhorn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
December 28 2011 18:05 GMT
#617
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez
Now playing: Random 8)
sakhi20
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 18:11:06
December 28 2011 18:05 GMT
#618
On May 09 2011 04:27 Bergys wrote:
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On May 09 2011 04:18 Grezzz wrote:
Probably the US, not because it has the best players, but because it has the largest population of the sc2 playing nations. You have to consider that IdrA can probably take out any non-US player, and there's plenty of other decent-ish US players to back him up.

In terms of player-skill per population, it's definately Sweden and Ukraine. Germany has to be fairly close after.


What does population have to do with anything? It's not like it's going to be the 200 best players in each country competing, you'd have to choose the 7 best or something. The US pretty much only has idra (not counting select), and I'd say Naniwa, Jinro, Thorzain are at the very least on the same level.

I'd go with Ukraine if it was a smaller tournament, like 4 players from each nation and sweden if it was 7ish.


I have to go with this, Sweden has a slightly better overall lineup, but ukraine has some ridiculosly strong aces. Also, whats up with no one mentioning Sase for Sweden, that guy is beast!


EDIT:
On December 29 2011 03:05 Malhorn wrote:
USA is easily the best;

IdrA, Sheth, HuK, Stephano, DeMusliM, PuMa. ez


Huk is Canadian, Stephano is French, DeMusliM is English, and Puma is Korean. Just because they play for EG, they don't suddenly count as Americans.
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United States2965 Posts
December 28 2011 18:06 GMT
#619
On December 29 2011 03:03 GreEny K wrote:
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On December 29 2011 02:48 Hardigan wrote:
On December 29 2011 02:42 GreEny K wrote:
On December 29 2011 02:40 Lewan72 wrote:
On December 29 2011 02:19 red4ce wrote:

I don't care for nitpicking your list but I am curious as to what South Korea's score would be under your system. Probably over 100.


I don't think tossing in random no-name pro-gamers should count. Remember its not all about quantity.


We would have to take ALL of the players that play SC2 in each country and then find the average skill level, and then do that for each country. Would be the only fair way.

no, that's bs. What if country AAA has 200 more C-players then Country BBB? the average skill would be much lower for AAA, although they maybe have the better top 5 players


If you're looking for best overall skill, that is the only way to do it... You have to take everyone into account. If you want the best countries based on top 5, then it changes. But that's not what this thread is about.


Uh, that is what this thread is about. Read the title again. Pro lineup = the best from each country. Top 5, Top 10, that's what the OP wants. Not some stupid cumulative average that sounds retarded in theory and is just as retarded in practice.
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Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 18:07 GMT
#620
On December 29 2011 03:03 Markwerf wrote:
sweden best by far, then canada/usa and then france/germany/ukraine i think.
naniwa, idra, huk and stephano are best foreigners imo so their respective countries should be placed highly. Ukraine is quite ok but their top players are just not as good as some other countries. White-ra, kas and dimaga are ok but not top level, I wouldn't rank any of them in top 10 foreigners.


Uhhh, I definitely would. White-ra plays with extremely solid mechanics and has impeccable micro and great strategies. Kas has won games that I thought were completely hopeless with some of the best macro I have seen, and his unit control and kiting are amazing. Dimaga is a beast all around, I would definitely put them into the top 10.
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