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CallousCarter
United Kingdom81 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:33 KinQuh wrote: Gatored, Kawaiirice, TriMaster, State, Pokebunny. Also whether you class Select as American or Korean could tip the scales. They have idra and sheth,who are these decent players you are talking about? | ||
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phANT1m
South Africa535 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:38 CallousCarter wrote: Gatored, Kawaiirice, TriMaster, Pokebunny. Also whether you class Select as American or Korean could tip the scales. Why do people keep placing Pokebunny in the top of US... I seriously doubt he is. I would put State over him. | ||
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:38 CallousCarter wrote: Gatored, Kawaiirice, TriMaster, Pokebunny. Also whether you class Select as American or Korean could tip the scales. Have they ever won anything? And no Select is not american. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:10 Karakaxe wrote: Ok so most people still say Sweden. Again, why why Sweden? Finland, Norway and Denmark are all very simmilar countries to Sweden, where are their players? Seems like nobody knows. Its not like they got internet 10 years after sweden. And how come Germany isnt more domimant? But they do have quite different infrastructure compared to Sweden and the culture is different. We've had very strong network infrastructured compared to most nations and that plays a big role I belive. We also have a leading IT culture and very strong IT companies that will just make people be around computers and games more than other kids, which also could be a big reason. In the end I dont think it's even possible to conclude anything, but there are probably several factors that end up beeing important when it comes to puting out more talent onto the scene. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:07 Malaz wrote: So lets do this with a point system. I know this doesn't make the whole thing any less subjective, but I'm bored right now  I don't know the Chinese players well enough so I won't put them in the equation.A+: Top foreigner able to beat almost every top Korean in a Bo3 = 5 points A: Still one of the best foreigners, just a step away from A+ = 3 points B+: Player between A and B = 2,5 points B: Very strong player that can win online cups but no big lans = 2 points C+: Player between B and C = 1,5 points C: Players with great potential that haven't delivered results yet or players that used to be higher but are currently in a little slump = 1 point Sweden: Naniwa A+, SaSe A, ThorZain A, MorroW B+, SjoW B, Bischu B, hayprO B, Merz C+, Jinro C+, Seiplo C, Jimpo C, LaLush C, Naugrim C = 26,5 Canada: HuK A+, Kiwikaki B+, SLush B, TT1 C+, Drewbie C+, dde C, Ostojiy C = 14,5 USA: Idra A, Sheth B+, qxc C+, Gatored C+,Tyler C, Pokebunny C Machine C, iNcontroL C, KawaiiRice C, Painuser C = 14,5 Ukraine: White-Ra A, Dimaga A, Kas A, Strelok B+, Bly C+, HappyZerg C = 14 Germany HasuObs B+, Socke B+, GoOdy B+, TLO B, Darkforce C+, XlorD C+, Mondragon C = 13,5 France: Stephano A+, ToD B+, SarenS C+, Adelscott C+, MoMan C 11,5 Poland: Nerchio A, Mana A, Tarson B+, DieStar C, Paranoid C =10,5 Russia: BratOk B+, Happy B, Titan C, Pomi C, Abver C, LiveZerg C, HasHe C = 9,5 Netherlands: Ret A, Grubby B+, DaBoO C = 6,5 UK: DeMusliM A, BlinG C+, Pureball C = 5,5 Finland: Elfi B+, Welmu C+, Naama C+ ,Satiini C = 5,5 Australia: mOOnGlaDe B, Iaguz C+, tgun C = 4,5 Romania: Nightend B, Deathangel C+ = 3,5 Peru: Fenix B, CatZ C = 3 Serbia: Beastyqt B+ =2,5 Chile: KiLLeR B+ = 2,5 Italy: Cloud B = 2 Denmark: BabyKnight C, Ciara C = 2 Spain: Lucifron C+ = 1,5 Belarus: LoWeLy C+ = 1,5 Israel: Osho C+ =1,5 Norway: Snute = 1,5 Switzerland: biGs C = 1 Belgium: Orly C = 1 I'm sure I missed some players and keep in mind the ranking is very subjective . Also the ranking system itself doesn't necessarily provide the beste Sc2 nations besides Korea and China. Although I think it's quite safe to say it's Sweden no matter how you look at it I don't understand how you gave those votes. I mean... are really TLO, Killer, Fenix, Sheth, Moonglade, Slush and Haypro at the same level ( or better ) as ClouD and Sjow ? I don't know, for me they aren't ( Sjow and ClouD are better) but of course everyone has his own opinion. Just wanted to point that out ^^ edit: Also i think that Darkforce is better than TLO, Killer, Fenix, Slush and Moonglade edit2: BTW, i think that judging a player skill only with personal achievment is wrong. You need to go deeper ( looking at the opponents, when the games were played ) but it's impossible to do. It would take too much time ^^ | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
On December 28 2011 23:24 michielbrands wrote: How can france with only Stephano / ToD outclass the likes of IdrA, Sheth, Tyler, qxc, and so on? Adelscott, Moman, SarenS, Stephano, ToD... | ||
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
Why people even list Tyler, he has no achievements in starcraft2. | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:07 Malaz wrote: So lets do this with a point system. I know this doesn't make the whole thing any less subjective, but I'm bored right now I don't know the Chinese players well enough so I won't put them in the equation.A+: Top foreigner able to beat almost every top Korean in a Bo3 = 5 points A: Still one of the best foreigners, just a step away from A+ = 3 points B+: Player between A and B = 2,5 points B: Very strong player that can win online cups but no big lans = 2 points C+: Player between B and C = 1,5 points C: Players with great potential that haven't delivered results yet or players that used to be higher but are currently in a little slump = 1 point Sweden: Naniwa A+, SaSe A, ThorZain A, MorroW B+, SjoW B, Bischu B, hayprO B, Merz C+, Jinro C+, Seiplo C, Jimpo C, LaLush C, Naugrim C = 26,5 Canada: HuK A+, Kiwikaki B+, SLush B, TT1 C+, Drewbie C+, dde C, Ostojiy C = 14,5 USA: Idra A, Sheth B+, qxc C+, Gatored C+,Tyler C, Pokebunny C Machine C, iNcontroL C, KawaiiRice C, Painuser C = 14,5 Ukraine: White-Ra A, Dimaga A, Kas A, Strelok B+, Bly C+, HappyZerg C = 14 Germany HasuObs B+, Socke B+, GoOdy B+, TLO B, Darkforce C+, XlorD C+, Mondragon C = 13,5 France: Stephano A+, ToD B+, SarenS C+, Adelscott C+, MoMan C 11,5 Poland: Nerchio A, Mana A, Tarson B+, DieStar C, Paranoid C =10,5 Russia: BratOk B+, Happy B, Titan C, Pomi C, Abver C, LiveZerg C, HasHe C = 9,5 Netherlands: Ret A, Grubby B+, DaBoO C = 6,5 UK: DeMusliM A, BlinG C+, Pureball C = 5,5 Finland: Elfi B+, Welmu C+, Naama C+ ,Satiini C = 5,5 Australia: mOOnGlaDe B, Iaguz C+, tgun C = 4,5 Romania: Nightend B, Deathangel C+ = 3,5 Peru: Fenix B, CatZ C = 3 Serbia: Beastyqt B+ =2,5 Chile: KiLLeR B+ = 2,5 Italy: Cloud B = 2 Denmark: BabyKnight C, Ciara C = 2 Spain: Lucifron C+ = 1,5 Belarus: LoWeLy C+ = 1,5 Israel: Osho C+ =1,5 Norway: Snute = 1,5 Switzerland: biGs C = 1 Belgium: Orly C = 1 I'm sure I missed some players and keep in mind the ranking is very subjective . Also the ranking system itself doesn't necessarily provide the beste Sc2 nations besides Korea and China. Although I think it's quite safe to say it's Sweden no matter how you look at it Yeah I really don't agree with your rankings although the idea itself is good. | ||
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TumNarDok
Germany854 Posts
(for whats it worth to go by, since the entries are selective and retired players may be included - still gives a good idea because those effects should even out except for the secluded area that is China) KR 2389 SE 2261 UA 2220,6 DE 2210 US 2198,8 PL 2197,4 RU 2190,8 CN 2171,2 CA 2166 FR 2158,4 AU 2146,2 TW 2132 FI 2122,6 CZ 2041,2 Runners up with less than 5 entries UK, NL, NO, BE, DK, ES, SG, RO, IT, BR | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
excluding korea, if you were to put swedish sc pros against any other country in a winner's league bo11 format, Sweden would win almost every time. A country like Canada would have to have an S class player like Huk all-kill or close to all-kill to win. but if we're just looking at the top 3 players from each respective country, then countries like Ukraine, US, and France suddenly look a lot stronger | ||
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xi Tempest x
Scotland340 Posts
then ukraine, then germany IMO | ||
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
Jinro, MorroW, SaSe, Haypro, Sjow, Thorzain, Naniwa, Merz, Bischu, Cytoplasm We also have lesser known players that are really good! Seiplo, Naugrim, Forsen, Runa... Now lets imagine this sick tournament. 10 nation tournament with some of the best players in the world. Bo7, All kill format! Team Sweden (Jinro, MorroW, SaSe, Naniwa, Thorzain, Haypro) Team Germany (TLO, Socke, Goody, Hasuhobs, Darkforce, Delphi) Team Ukraine (WhiteRa, Dimaga, Kas, Strelok, HappyZerg, Bly) Team Poland (Nerchio, Mana, DieStar, Tarson, SliDeR, ParanOid) Team Canada (Huk, KiwiKaki, DDE, Slush, TT1, Drewbie) Team USA (Idra, Sheth, Vibe, QXC, Tyler, Gatored) Team France (Stephano, SarenS, Adelscott, Tod, Carn, Kenzy) Team China (Xigua, MacSeed, Infi, TooDming, Loner, F91) Team Korea (Nestea, MVP, MMA, MC, DRG, Leenock) Team Russia (Brat_OK, TitaN, HappyZerg, + 3 more ) Obviously this would be played out live (like the GSTL). If this would happend then it would be by far the sickest tournament in the very young Sc2 history! | ||
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
Anyways, Canada has never been touched by E-sports. All the NA events happen in USA so obviously there's more players there. I think in the future Canada will have a much stronger line up. | ||
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
Also lol at the guy that did all the random European nations with 1 or 2 guys, but not Sen. | ||
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halfies
United Kingdom327 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:43 BlitzerSC wrote: I don't understand how you gave those votes. I mean... are really TLO, Killer, Fenix, Sheth, Moonglade, Slush and Haypro at the same level ( or better ) as ClouD and Sjow ? I don't know, for me they aren't ( Sjow and ClouD are better) but of course everyone has his own opinion. Just wanted to point that out ^^ edit: Also i think that Darkforce is better than TLO, Killer, Fenix, Slush and Moonglade edit2: BTW, i think that judging a player skill only with personal achievment is wrong. You need to go deeper ( looking at the opponents, when the games were played ) but it's impossible to do. It would take too much time ^^ thorzain must be A+, didnt he all kill QIM in the IPL TAC finals? | ||
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