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On December 29 2011 01:10 Karakaxe wrote:
Ok so most people still say Sweden.
Again, why why Sweden? Finland, Norway and Denmark are all very simmilar countries to Sweden, where are their players? Seems like nobody knows. Its not like they got internet 10 years after sweden.
And how come Germany isnt more domimant?
Sweden is about double the population of Finland, Denmark, and Norway.
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On December 29 2011 01:07 Malaz wrote:So lets do this with a point system. I know this doesn't make the whole thing any less subjective, but I'm bored right now  I don't know the Chinese players well enough so I won't put them in the equation. A+: Top foreigner able to beat almost every top Korean in a Bo3 = 5 points A: Still one of the best foreigners, just a step away from A+ = 3 points B+: Player between A and B = 2,5 points B: Very strong player that can win online cups but no big lans = 2 points C+: Player between B and C = 1,5 points C: Players with great potential that haven't delivered results yet or players that used to be higher but are currently in a little slump = 1 point Sweden: Naniwa A+, SaSe A, ThorZain A, MorroW B+, SjoW B, Bischu B, hayprO B, Merz C+, Jinro C+, Seiplo C, Jimpo C, LaLush C, Naugrim C = 26,5Canada: HuK A+, Kiwikaki B+, SLush B, TT1 C+, Drewbie C+, dde C, Ostojiy C = 14,5USA: Idra A, Sheth B+, qxc C+, Gatored C+,Tyler C, Pokebunny C Machine C, iNcontroL C, KawaiiRice C, Painuser C = 14,5Ukraine: White-Ra A, Dimaga A, Kas A, Strelok B+, Bly C+, HappyZerg C = 14Germany HasuObs B+, Socke B+, GoOdy B+, TLO B, Darkforce C+, XlorD C+, Mondragon C = 13,5France: Stephano A+, ToD B+, SarenS C+, Adelscott C+, MoMan C 11,5Poland: Nerchio A, Mana A, Tarson B+, DieStar C, Paranoid C = 10,5Russia: BratOk B+, Happy B, Titan C, Pomi C, Abver C, LiveZerg C, HasHe C = 9,5Netherlands: Ret A, Grubby B+, DaBoO C = 6,5UK: DeMusliM A, BlinG C+, Pureball C = 5,5Finland: Elfi B+, Welmu C+, Naama C+ ,Satiini C = 5,5Australia: mOOnGlaDe B, Iaguz C+, tgun C = 4,5Romania: Nightend B, Deathangel C+ = 3,5Peru: Fenix B, CatZ C = 3Serbia: Beastyqt B+ = 2,5Chile: KiLLeR B+ = 2,5Italy: Cloud B = 2Denmark: BabyKnight C, Ciara C = 2Spain: Lucifron C+ = 1,5Belarus: LoWeLy C+ = 1,5Israel: Osho C+ = 1,5Switzerland: biGs C = 1Belgium: Orly C = 1I'm sure I missed some players and keep in mind the ranking is very subjective. Also the ranking system itself doesn't necessarly provide the beste Sc2 nations besides Korea and China. Although I think it's quite safe to say it's Sweden no matter how you look at it
USA has like 20 more C players that will get them +20 points so US is the best non-korean esport country? sry, there is only 1 possible way to solve this problem and that is a GSTL-like tournament
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On December 29 2011 01:10 Karakaxe wrote:
Ok so most people still say Sweden.
Again, why why Sweden? Finland, Norway and Denmark are all very simmilar countries to Sweden, where are their players? Seems like nobody knows. Its not like they got internet 10 years after sweden.
And how come Germany isnt more domimant?
Norway is too busy enjoying their countryside :D
Finland has a few notable players (elfi and Naama to name 2)
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I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.
I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world.
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On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.
I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world.
Isn't HuK canadian?
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On December 28 2011 23:03 n0btozz wrote:
1. Sweden
2. Ukraine
3. USA
4-5. Germany/Canada
I would put US either last, or not at all. Besides IdrA, who do we have that's good and on a level with Sweden, Ukraine or Canada and Germany?
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On December 29 2011 01:07 Malaz wrote:So lets do this with a point system. I know this doesn't make the whole thing any less subjective, but I'm bored right now I don't know the Chinese players well enough so I won't put them in the equation. A+: Top foreigner able to beat almost every top Korean in a Bo3 = 5 points A: Still one of the best foreigners, just a step away from A+ = 3 points B+: Player between A and B = 2,5 points B: Very strong player that can win online cups but no big lans = 2 points C+: Player between B and C = 1,5 points C: Players with great potential that haven't delivered results yet or players that used to be higher but are currently in a little slump = 1 point Sweden: Naniwa A+, SaSe A, ThorZain A, MorroW B+, SjoW B, Bischu B, hayprO B, Merz C+, Jinro C+, Seiplo C, Jimpo C, LaLush C, Naugrim C = 26,5Canada: HuK A+, Kiwikaki B+, SLush B, TT1 C+, Drewbie C+, dde C, Ostojiy C = 14,5USA: Idra A, Sheth B+, qxc C+, Gatored C+,Tyler C, Pokebunny C Machine C, iNcontroL C, KawaiiRice C, Painuser C = 14,5Ukraine: White-Ra A, Dimaga A, Kas A, Strelok B+, Bly C+, HappyZerg C = 14Germany HasuObs B+, Socke B+, GoOdy B+, TLO B, Darkforce C+, XlorD C+, Mondragon C = 13,5France: Stephano A+, ToD B+, SarenS C+, Adelscott C+, MoMan C 11,5Poland: Nerchio A, Mana A, Tarson B+, DieStar C, Paranoid C = 10,5Russia: BratOk B+, Happy B, Titan C, Pomi C, Abver C, LiveZerg C, HasHe C = 9,5Netherlands: Ret A, Grubby B+, DaBoO C = 6,5UK: DeMusliM A, BlinG C+, Pureball C = 5,5Finland: Elfi B+, Welmu C+, Naama C+ ,Satiini C = 5,5Australia: mOOnGlaDe B, Iaguz C+, tgun C = 4,5Romania: Nightend B, Deathangel C+ = 3,5Peru: Fenix B, CatZ C = 3Serbia: Beastyqt B+ = 2,5Chile: KiLLeR B+ = 2,5Italy: Cloud B = 2Denmark: BabyKnight C, Ciara C = 2Spain: Lucifron C+ = 1,5Belarus: LoWeLy C+ = 1,5Israel: Osho C+ = 1,5Norway: Snute = 1,5Switzerland: biGs C = 1Belgium: Orly C = 1I'm sure I missed some players and keep in mind the ranking is very subjective . Also the ranking system itself doesn't necessarily provide the beste Sc2 nations besides Korea and China. Although I think it's quite safe to say it's Sweden no matter how you look at it
You just made an arbitrary list that doesnt even make sense.In what universe incontrol is better than Snute or drewbie better than beastyqt.
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On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.
I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world.
Oh cmon, coming third in WCG does't qualify you as a top player?
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On December 29 2011 01:12 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 01:07 Malaz wrote:So lets do this with a point system. I know this doesn't make the whole thing any less subjective, but I'm bored right now I don't know the Chinese players well enough so I won't put them in the equation. A+: Top foreigner able to beat almost every top Korean in a Bo3 = 5 points A: Still one of the best foreigners, just a step away from A+ = 3 points B+: Player between A and B = 2,5 points B: Very strong player that can win online cups but no big lans = 2 points C+: Player between B and C = 1,5 points C: Players with great potential that haven't delivered results yet or players that used to be higher but are currently in a little slump = 1 point Sweden: Naniwa A+, SaSe A, ThorZain A, MorroW B+, SjoW B, Bischu B, hayprO B, Merz C+, Jinro C+, Seiplo C, Jimpo C, LaLush C, Naugrim C = 26,5Canada: HuK A+, Kiwikaki B+, SLush B, TT1 C+, Drewbie C+, dde C, Ostojiy C = 14,5USA: Idra A, Sheth B+, qxc C+, Gatored C+,Tyler C, Pokebunny C Machine C, iNcontroL C, KawaiiRice C, Painuser C = 14,5Ukraine: White-Ra A, Dimaga A, Kas A, Strelok B+, Bly C+, HappyZerg C = 14Germany HasuObs B+, Socke B+, GoOdy B+, TLO B, Darkforce C+, XlorD C+, Mondragon C = 13,5France: Stephano A+, ToD B+, SarenS C+, Adelscott C+, MoMan C 11,5Poland: Nerchio A, Mana A, Tarson B+, DieStar C, Paranoid C = 10,5Russia: BratOk B+, Happy B, Titan C, Pomi C, Abver C, LiveZerg C, HasHe C = 9,5Netherlands: Ret A, Grubby B+, DaBoO C = 6,5UK: DeMusliM A, BlinG C+, Pureball C = 5,5Finland: Elfi B+, Welmu C+, Naama C+ ,Satiini C = 5,5Australia: mOOnGlaDe B, Iaguz C+, tgun C = 4,5Romania: Nightend B, Deathangel C+ = 3,5Peru: Fenix B, CatZ C = 3Serbia: Beastyqt B+ = 2,5Chile: KiLLeR B+ = 2,5Italy: Cloud B = 2Denmark: BabyKnight C, Ciara C = 2Spain: Lucifron C+ = 1,5Belarus: LoWeLy C+ = 1,5Israel: Osho C+ = 1,5Switzerland: biGs C = 1Belgium: Orly C = 1I'm sure I missed some players and keep in mind the ranking is very subjective. Also the ranking system itself doesn't necessarly provide the beste Sc2 nations besides Korea and China. Although I think it's quite safe to say it's Sweden no matter how you look at it USA has like 20 more C players that will get them +20 points so US is the best non-korean esport country? sry, there is only 1 possible way to solve this problem and that is a GSTL-like tournament
Yes its a bad way to do it, and for some reason he decided to give Jinro C+. Wtf lol, jinro atm is at least A.
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Starcraft skill flow chart:
Are you Korean? Yes=your really good
no... Are you Swedish? Yes= your pretty good
no=you suck
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On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.
I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world.
Kas and White-ra are much better than Sheth, and Huk is arguably Canadian.
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On December 29 2011 01:26 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.
I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world. Oh cmon, coming third in WCG does't qualify you as a top player?
Ptak isn't even on the chart and he won his countries (Croatia) WCG.
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On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.
I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world.
Kas is in exceptional form at the moment. There is a reasons he is #1 in foreigner TLPD.
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On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.
I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world.
White-ra has the tournament results to match almost any foreigner and don't for Strelok in the Ukrainian line-up. I'm sure there was an interview where Huk said he considered himself Canadian even if he was born and raised in America. That's a debatable issue. America has a lot of good but not great players but I suspect there's players equal to them in a lot of the european countries who don't get noticed as much because of the way IEM and dreamhack work compared to MLG.
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On December 29 2011 01:29 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 01:26 Hassybaby wrote:On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.
I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world. Oh cmon, coming third in WCG does't qualify you as a top player? Ptak isn't even on the chart and he won his countries (Croatia) WCG.
What are you talking about?
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On December 29 2011 01:32 CallousCarter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.
I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world. White-ra has the tournament results to match almost any foreigner and don't for Strelok in the Ukrainian line-up. I'm sure there was an interview where Huk said he considered himself Canadian even if he was born and raised in America. That's a debatable issue. America has a lot of good but not great players but I suspect there's players equal to them in a lot of the european countries who don't get noticed as much because of the way IEM and dreamhack work compared to MLG.
They have idra and sheth,who are these decent players you are talking about?
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On December 29 2011 01:07 Malaz wrote:
Belgium: Orly C = 1
He was second in mlg openbracket,losing 2-1 to mvpnoblesse, and he has won vs idra and huk. He's more than c
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On December 29 2011 01:33 Elefanto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 01:29 GreEny K wrote:On December 29 2011 01:26 Hassybaby wrote:On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.
I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world. Oh cmon, coming third in WCG does't qualify you as a top player? Ptak isn't even on the chart and he won his countries (Croatia) WCG. What are you talking about?
The chart that someone made, Ptak won his countries qualifiers and he isn't even on the chart. Just saying that it is flawed.
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On December 29 2011 01:34 Arcanefrost wrote:He was second in mlg openbracket,losing 2-1 to mvpnoblesse, and he has won vs idra and huk. He's more than c
Thank god somebody knows about Orly.
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If it's not put in a team league situation where HuK, IdrA, NaNiwa or Sen could just all-kill the other team and instead:
Player A of Country A vs Player A of Country B.
I would say, albeit biased: 1. Sweden, 2. Ukraine, 3. Poland 4. USA but I want to say China because of WCG but then again I want to put China much lower because of every other tournament ever. 5. -
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