EPTI'd say:
1. Sweden
2. Poland
3. Ukraine
4. France
5. Russia
The US isn't in the top 5 imo. Idra and sheth are good, and you have some rising stars like gatored (who has beaten koreans lately), but their other players aren't very good.
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svi
405 Posts
I'd say: 1. Sweden 2. Poland 3. Ukraine 4. France 5. Russia The US isn't in the top 5 imo. Idra and sheth are good, and you have some rising stars like gatored (who has beaten koreans lately), but their other players aren't very good. | ||
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:02 Belki wrote: Europe : Z : Stephano, Dimaga, Ret, Nerchio P : Naniwa, Mana, White-Ra,Sase T : Thorzain, Kas, Beastyqt I don't think Europe is country though... | ||
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Troublesome
United Kingdom522 Posts
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
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NipponBanzai
Canada518 Posts
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OKMarius
Norway469 Posts
I don't really see how anyone can pick Ukraine over Sweden, top 3 ukraine vs sweden is pretty equal, but Sweden's top 10 >>> Ukraine. | ||
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:06 svi wrote: it's crazy to see how overrated germany is. they have only 2 good players, socke and darkforce. russia has titan, brat_ok, and happy which imo is better than the german lineup. I'd say: 1. Sweden 2. Poland 3. Ukraine 4. France 5. Russia The US isn't in the top 5 imo. Idra and sheth are good, and you have some rising stars like gatored (who has beaten koreans lately), but their other players aren't very good. Are you seriously saying that HasuObs isnt good? | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:06 svi wrote: it's crazy to see how overrated germany is. they have only 2 good players, socke and darkforce. russia has titan, brat_ok, and happy which imo is better than the german lineup. I'd say: 1. Sweden 2. Poland 3. Ukraine 4. France 5. Russia The US isn't in the top 5 imo. Idra and sheth are good, and you have some rising stars like gatored (who has beaten koreans lately), but their other players aren't very good. You forgot HasuObs. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:06 svi wrote: it's crazy to see how overrated germany is. they have only 2 good players, socke and darkforce. russia has titan, brat_ok, and happy which imo is better than the german lineup. HasuObs? Top-4 @ IEM, TSL; reached NASL-Grandfinal twice, won TES, UGC, Northcon. Not a ThorZain, or a Stephano but definitly a favorite against most of Russia´s players. You already mentioned socke and darkforce, but Delphi, Xlord or Goody are not that bad either. Nobody said, that germany is on the same level as Ukraine or Sweden, but they are quite good as well. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:30 hunts wrote: This thread is funny, bunch of kids bashing on the US and claiming it "my opinion on player skill" pretty funny. The focus is on Sweden and Ukraine, when people mention US on top, that's when people start to "bash" the US. I wouldn't even call it bashing, since it's mostly true... | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nEXwN.png) This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing  Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway  FRANCE Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS 2280 2184 2154 2113 2066 AVERAGE 2159 | ||
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lykkekage
Denmark107 Posts
But for a top 5 I would say 1. Sweden (So many good players, SaSe, NaNiwa, ThorZaIN, SjoW, Morrow. Plus a couple of decent players like LaLush, Jinro and Haypro) 2. Ukraine (Barely beats Poland with players like White-Ra, Kas, DIMAGA and Strelok) 3. Poland (Also a lot of good players like Nerchio, MaNa, Tarson and DieStar) 4. USA (Not many top tier players, only a few like IdrA and Sheth, but a lot of players with great potential like Tyler, Gatored, Minigun, Axslav and qxc) 5. Russia & Germany (Seems to be the only nations with a decent amount of top players other than the first 4 (maybe you can count Canada & France in) but they seem pretty even) | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:08 Troublesome wrote: Sweden > Ukraine > Canada > USA > Germany > China imo I was thinking the same thing. Sweden still seems to be in the top, and WhiteRa/Dimaga/Kas really represent Ukraine well. | ||
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lykkekage
Denmark107 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5 This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway FRANCE Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS 2280 2184 2154 2113 2066 AVERAGE 2159 The fact that Deezer is top 5 for USA, says everything about TLPD | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5 This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway FRANCE Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS 2280 2184 2154 2113 2066 AVERAGE 2159 Can't believe Deezer is up there lol. GOOOGOGOGOGO SUNGPA!!! <3<3<3 | ||
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iAmBiGbiRd
Australia1029 Posts
On December 29 2011 03:23 Jombozeus wrote: On the topic of China... There are at least 3 Chinese players in the top 200 of the korean ladder that I know of, and maybe a few that I don't under smurfs. Xigua is consistently top 30 GM in Korea. There aren't many pro players in China, but the ones that are pro are definitely capable of making Code A. For reference, Destiny is 150th on Korean ladder, Naniwa maxed out at rank 6 and is now rank ~50 due to lag with his setup, Sen is ~40, Jinro is ~50, Stephano is ~20-30 when he plays. This is definitely not be-all end-all, as ladder really doesn't show who is going to win tournaments, but is without a doubt the best gauge of average skill and consistency that we have. Speaking of Sen, I don't understand why no one even considers Taiwan. Taiwan has a bustling scene with, Sen Hui Slam and a few others consistenly within top masters in Korea. Even luway, an amateur female gamer, placed in NA GM in season 3 with a ladder record of 70-10 or something like that. Taiwan has 5 teams in the pro circuit, with many members fully capable of surviving in Code A. For reference mOOnGLaDe has been GM in korea every season but last one and just before WCG finals he was top 100 master with something like a +70% winrate, and there were many other foreigners in or around the top 100. iSInsur, xGKingIaguz, SEn, Major was aswell and many more | ||
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