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svi
Profile Joined October 2010
405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 19:08:51
December 28 2011 19:06 GMT
#661
it's crazy to see how overrated germany is. they have only 2 good players, socke and darkforce. russia has titan, brat_ok, and happy which imo is better than the german lineup.

I'd say:

1. Sweden
2. Poland
3. Ukraine
4. France
5. Russia

The US isn't in the top 5 imo. Idra and sheth are good, and you have some rising stars like gatored (who has beaten koreans lately), but their other players aren't very good.
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
December 28 2011 19:08 GMT
#662
On December 29 2011 04:02 Belki wrote:
Europe :
Z : Stephano, Dimaga, Ret, Nerchio
P : Naniwa, Mana, White-Ra,Sase
T : Thorzain, Kas, Beastyqt


I don't think Europe is country though...
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Troublesome
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom522 Posts
December 28 2011 19:08 GMT
#663
Sweden > Ukraine > Canada > USA > Germany > China imo
Roll with the punches.
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
December 28 2011 19:12 GMT
#664
Sweden is really good, but America has quite a few good players as well (not as prominent anymore I guess) so I'll go with Sweden.
Write your own song!
NipponBanzai
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada518 Posts
December 28 2011 19:14 GMT
#665
Sweden for sure. I don't think its a real contest.
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
December 28 2011 19:16 GMT
#666
Some of the countries are absolutely similar in quality to how they were in WC3, especially Sweden (Quite a few powerhouses, and lots of good unknown players), Germany (Insane amount of decent players, but no world beaters) and France (One very good player, the rest only half-decent (Only reflects the last period though, the ToD+FaTC+Wolf trio was pretty impressive).

I don't really see how anyone can pick Ukraine over Sweden, top 3 ukraine vs sweden is pretty equal, but Sweden's top 10 >>> Ukraine.
KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
December 28 2011 19:20 GMT
#667
On December 29 2011 04:06 svi wrote:
it's crazy to see how overrated germany is. they have only 2 good players, socke and darkforce. russia has titan, brat_ok, and happy which imo is better than the german lineup.

I'd say:

1. Sweden
2. Poland
3. Ukraine
4. France
5. Russia

The US isn't in the top 5 imo. Idra and sheth are good, and you have some rising stars like gatored (who has beaten koreans lately), but their other players aren't very good.

Are you seriously saying that HasuObs isnt good?
Holy check.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 19:21 GMT
#668
On December 29 2011 04:06 svi wrote:
it's crazy to see how overrated germany is. they have only 2 good players, socke and darkforce. russia has titan, brat_ok, and happy which imo is better than the german lineup.

I'd say:

1. Sweden
2. Poland
3. Ukraine
4. France
5. Russia

The US isn't in the top 5 imo. Idra and sheth are good, and you have some rising stars like gatored (who has beaten koreans lately), but their other players aren't very good.


You forgot HasuObs.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
December 28 2011 19:22 GMT
#669
On December 29 2011 04:06 svi wrote:
it's crazy to see how overrated germany is. they have only 2 good players, socke and darkforce. russia has titan, brat_ok, and happy which imo is better than the german lineup.


HasuObs? Top-4 @ IEM, TSL; reached NASL-Grandfinal twice, won TES, UGC, Northcon. Not a ThorZain, or a Stephano but definitly a favorite against most of Russia´s players. You already mentioned socke and darkforce, but Delphi, Xlord or Goody are not that bad either. Nobody said, that germany is on the same level as Ukraine or Sweden, but they are quite good as well.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
December 28 2011 19:30 GMT
#670
This thread is funny, bunch of kids bashing on the US and claiming it "my opinion on player skill" pretty funny.
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SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
December 28 2011 19:30 GMT
#671
Hasu and Socke alone are better than pretty much every US player, I dont know why people rate the US so high just because Idra is American?
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 19:35 GMT
#672
On December 29 2011 04:30 hunts wrote:
This thread is funny, bunch of kids bashing on the US and claiming it "my opinion on player skill" pretty funny.


The focus is on Sweden and Ukraine, when people mention US on top, that's when people start to "bash" the US. I wouldn't even call it bashing, since it's mostly true...
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 28 2011 19:37 GMT
#673
Sweden, Ukraine ... 1st and 2nd, EASILY.
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REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 19:42:26
December 28 2011 19:37 GMT
#674
TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5
[image loading]
This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing

Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway
FRANCE
Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS
2280 2184 2154 2113 2066
AVERAGE 2159
lykkekage
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark107 Posts
December 28 2011 19:41 GMT
#675
Im not sure how strong the Chinese or Taiwanese scene is in general, so I cant comment on that.

But for a top 5 I would say

1. Sweden (So many good players, SaSe, NaNiwa, ThorZaIN, SjoW, Morrow. Plus a couple of decent players like LaLush, Jinro and Haypro)
2. Ukraine (Barely beats Poland with players like White-Ra, Kas, DIMAGA and Strelok)
3. Poland (Also a lot of good players like Nerchio, MaNa, Tarson and DieStar)
4. USA (Not many top tier players, only a few like IdrA and Sheth, but a lot of players with great potential like Tyler, Gatored, Minigun, Axslav and qxc)
5. Russia & Germany (Seems to be the only nations with a decent amount of top players other than the first 4 (maybe you can count Canada & France in) but they seem pretty even)
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 19:42:56
December 28 2011 19:42 GMT
#676
On December 29 2011 04:08 Troublesome wrote:
Sweden > Ukraine > Canada > USA > Germany > China imo

I was thinking the same thing. Sweden still seems to be in the top, and WhiteRa/Dimaga/Kas really represent Ukraine well.
lykkekage
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark107 Posts
December 28 2011 19:42 GMT
#677
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5
[image loading]
This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing

Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway
FRANCE
Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS
2280 2184 2154 2113 2066
AVERAGE 2159



The fact that Deezer is top 5 for USA, says everything about TLPD
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
December 28 2011 19:42 GMT
#678
^ I don't think Deezer would play for the US! :D
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 19:42 GMT
#679
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5
[image loading]
This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing

Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway
FRANCE
Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS
2280 2184 2154 2113 2066
AVERAGE 2159


Can't believe Deezer is up there lol. GOOOGOGOGOGO SUNGPA!!! <3<3<3
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
December 28 2011 19:43 GMT
#680
On December 29 2011 03:23 Jombozeus wrote:
On the topic of China... There are at least 3 Chinese players in the top 200 of the korean ladder that I know of, and maybe a few that I don't under smurfs. Xigua is consistently top 30 GM in Korea.

There aren't many pro players in China, but the ones that are pro are definitely capable of making Code A.

For reference, Destiny is 150th on Korean ladder, Naniwa maxed out at rank 6 and is now rank ~50 due to lag with his setup, Sen is ~40, Jinro is ~50, Stephano is ~20-30 when he plays. This is definitely not be-all end-all, as ladder really doesn't show who is going to win tournaments, but is without a doubt the best gauge of average skill and consistency that we have.

Speaking of Sen, I don't understand why no one even considers Taiwan. Taiwan has a bustling scene with, Sen Hui Slam and a few others consistenly within top masters in Korea. Even luway, an amateur female gamer, placed in NA GM in season 3 with a ladder record of 70-10 or something like that. Taiwan has 5 teams in the pro circuit, with many members fully capable of surviving in Code A.


For reference mOOnGLaDe has been GM in korea every season but last one and just before WCG finals he was top 100 master with something like a +70% winrate, and there were many other foreigners in or around the top 100. iSInsur, xGKingIaguz, SEn, Major was aswell and many more
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