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ThE)ShoWTimE
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy213 Posts
December 28 2011 19:43 GMT
#681
wait...Deezer??
TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
December 28 2011 19:46 GMT
#682
If the aussies had not all those lags with connecting to SEA, KR or NA servers, i would put them right up there along US/Canada/Russia, maybe better.
JohnnyBanana
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada493 Posts
December 28 2011 19:48 GMT
#683
On December 29 2011 04:37 Xeris wrote:
Sweden, Ukraine ... 1st and 2nd, EASILY.

Yep, this exactly. Doesn't even matter what the 3rd country is, as it's leagues below these 2.
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
December 28 2011 19:54 GMT
#684
On December 29 2011 04:46 TumNarDok wrote:
If the aussies had not all those lags with connecting to SEA, KR or NA servers, i would put them right up there along US/Canada/Russia, maybe better.


I like you sir :D but seriously and despite by obviously slight bias Australia has some very good players that don't get spotlight (Apart from mOOnGLaDe, after his efforts at various IEM's and WCG people who continue to say he is 'Bad' or 'Not even close to top tier foreigner' are kidding themselves)

Players like the xGKing boys Iaguz and Mafia, the arCMSi lads EdgE, Rossi and deth, TtPiG, GoSutgun, YoonYJ and a few others are all GM on NA + High Masters on Kor and are more than capable of holding there own against many players listed in this thread. Australia has such shithouse internet though that its hard for them to play in online events and the scene here isn't close to big enough (Yet) to have large scale LAN's very often so we get limited exposure

Australia FIGHTING!!!!!!
Hello friends:)
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-28 19:57:43
December 28 2011 19:55 GMT
#685
On December 29 2011 03:23 Jombozeus wrote:
On the topic of China... There are at least 3 Chinese players in the top 200 of the korean ladder that I know of, and maybe a few that I don't under smurfs. Xigua is consistently top 30 GM in Korea.

There aren't many pro players in China, but the ones that are pro are definitely capable of making Code A.

For reference, Destiny is 150th on Korean ladder, Naniwa maxed out at rank 6 and is now rank ~50 due to lag with his setup, Sen is ~40, Jinro is ~50, Stephano is ~20-30 when he plays. This is definitely not be-all end-all, as ladder really doesn't show who is going to win tournaments, but is without a doubt the best gauge of average skill and consistency that we have.

Speaking of Sen, I don't understand why no one even considers Taiwan. Taiwan has a bustling scene with, Sen Hui Slam and a few others consistenly within top masters in Korea. Even luway, an amateur female gamer, placed in NA GM in season 3 with a ladder record of 70-10 or something like that. Taiwan has 5 teams in the pro circuit, with many members fully capable of surviving in Code A.


Don't forget SaSe, who peaked at rank 6(or something like that, definitely in first 10) of korean GM last season I think...

On topic:

Sweden definitely first, then Ukraine. Then USA/China/Canada pretty similarly (like, all of them third). Then probably Germany/Poland/Russia...
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Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
December 28 2011 19:58 GMT
#686
On December 29 2011 04:43 ThE)ShoWTimE wrote:
wait...Deezer??
u mod, bro?
#freeshauni
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
December 28 2011 20:00 GMT
#687
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5
[image loading]
This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing

Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway
FRANCE
Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS
2280 2184 2154 2113 2066
AVERAGE 2159


umm wtf pretty sure deezer is from canada we dont want him in the US
JD, need I say more? :D
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
December 28 2011 20:05 GMT
#688
On December 29 2011 04:42 lykkekage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5
[image loading]
This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing

Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway
FRANCE
Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS
2280 2184 2154 2113 2066
AVERAGE 2159



The fact that Deezer is top 5 for USA, says everything about TLPD


It says a lot about US-players except for idra/sheth as well.
xlord 5:0
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
December 28 2011 20:11 GMT
#689
On December 29 2011 04:54 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 04:46 TumNarDok wrote:
If the aussies had not all those lags with connecting to SEA, KR or NA servers, i would put them right up there along US/Canada/Russia, maybe better.


I like you sir :D but seriously and despite by obviously slight bias Australia has some very good players that don't get spotlight (Apart from mOOnGLaDe, after his efforts at various IEM's and WCG people who continue to say he is 'Bad' or 'Not even close to top tier foreigner' are kidding themselves)

Players like the xGKing boys Iaguz and Mafia, the arCMSi lads EdgE, Rossi and deth, TtPiG, GoSutgun, YoonYJ and a few others are all GM on NA + High Masters on Kor and are more than capable of holding there own against many players listed in this thread. Australia has such shithouse internet though that its hard for them to play in online events and the scene here isn't close to big enough (Yet) to have large scale LAN's very often so we get limited exposure

Australia FIGHTING!!!!!!


No offense but all the players you listed are no where near top level.. by top I mean capable of getting into code A by qualifiers (I think moonglade probably can as long as he doesn't get a monster player in his group). GM on NA is pretty meaningless.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
December 28 2011 20:18 GMT
#690
On December 29 2011 05:05 Awesomeness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 04:42 lykkekage wrote:
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5
[image loading]
This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing

Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway
FRANCE
Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS
2280 2184 2154 2113 2066
AVERAGE 2159



The fact that Deezer is top 5 for USA, says everything about TLPD


It says a lot about US-players except for idra/sheth as well.


mainly it shows how flawed of a tool the TLPD ELO is, and that he decided not to count huk or select as american even though they both are now, but its ok keep bashing america, after all this is one of the few threads where you can do it and not get moderated since you're "arguing which country has the best players"
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kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
December 28 2011 20:22 GMT
#691
On December 29 2011 02:34 GWBuffalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 01:21 Klyberess wrote:
On December 29 2011 01:16 Tryxtira wrote:
I don't really agree with putting Ukraine as high up as many do. Dimaga is an amazing player but Kas/White-ra isn't really up there at the top.

I am obviously bias, but I feel Sweden is definitely second to Korea. However I'd say the second best nation is the US. IdrA/HuK/Sheth can take games off anyone in the world.

Isn't HuK canadian?


I think he was born and raised in Florida... then moved to Canada at about 15 or 16, iirc.

so... he's canadian
Belki
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark9 Posts
December 28 2011 20:25 GMT
#692
On December 29 2011 05:18 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 05:05 Awesomeness wrote:
On December 29 2011 04:42 lykkekage wrote:
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5
[image loading]
This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing

Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway
FRANCE
Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS
2280 2184 2154 2113 2066
AVERAGE 2159



The fact that Deezer is top 5 for USA, says everything about TLPD


It says a lot about US-players except for idra/sheth as well.


mainly it shows how flawed of a tool the TLPD ELO is, and that he decided not to count huk or select as american even though they both are now, but its ok keep bashing america, after all this is one of the few threads where you can do it and not get moderated since you're "arguing which country has the best players"


Then Idra is Korean cuz he'll live in Korea for code S
Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
December 28 2011 20:26 GMT
#693
China
http://www.twitch.tv/becosmos
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 28 2011 20:29 GMT
#694
On December 29 2011 05:18 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 05:05 Awesomeness wrote:
On December 29 2011 04:42 lykkekage wrote:
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5
[image loading]
This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing

Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway
FRANCE
Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS
2280 2184 2154 2113 2066
AVERAGE 2159



The fact that Deezer is top 5 for USA, says everything about TLPD


It says a lot about US-players except for idra/sheth as well.


mainly it shows how flawed of a tool the TLPD ELO is, and that he decided not to count huk or select as american even though they both are now, but its ok keep bashing america, after all this is one of the few threads where you can do it and not get moderated since you're "arguing which country has the best players"


Wow, stop arguing about where people are from... Select is in the US, he's been here for a few years(?), I still consider him Korean. SC Korean and your heritage are different. For SC purposes Select is from the US, as he lives and trains here. Huk himself said that he considers himself a CANADIAN so drop it. Idra is American no matter what...
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
December 28 2011 20:29 GMT
#695
On December 29 2011 05:18 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 05:05 Awesomeness wrote:
On December 29 2011 04:42 lykkekage wrote:
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5
[image loading]
This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing

Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway
FRANCE
Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS
2280 2184 2154 2113 2066
AVERAGE 2159



The fact that Deezer is top 5 for USA, says everything about TLPD


It says a lot about US-players except for idra/sheth as well.


mainly it shows how flawed of a tool the TLPD ELO is, and that he decided not to count huk or select as american even though they both are now, but its ok keep bashing america, after all this is one of the few threads where you can do it and not get moderated since you're "arguing which country has the best players"


Well from my understanding huk considers himself Canadian and select considers himself Korean, so that's probably a good indicator of where to put them.

Also if you're going to get angry about being speaking poorly of America's player quality you should maybe not look in the thread of each country's player quality
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
December 28 2011 20:50 GMT
#696
On December 29 2011 05:11 Namu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 04:54 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
On December 29 2011 04:46 TumNarDok wrote:
If the aussies had not all those lags with connecting to SEA, KR or NA servers, i would put them right up there along US/Canada/Russia, maybe better.


I like you sir :D but seriously and despite by obviously slight bias Australia has some very good players that don't get spotlight (Apart from mOOnGLaDe, after his efforts at various IEM's and WCG people who continue to say he is 'Bad' or 'Not even close to top tier foreigner' are kidding themselves)

Players like the xGKing boys Iaguz and Mafia, the arCMSi lads EdgE, Rossi and deth, TtPiG, GoSutgun, YoonYJ and a few others are all GM on NA + High Masters on Kor and are more than capable of holding there own against many players listed in this thread. Australia has such shithouse internet though that its hard for them to play in online events and the scene here isn't close to big enough (Yet) to have large scale LAN's very often so we get limited exposure

Australia FIGHTING!!!!!!


No offense but all the players you listed are no where near top level.. by top I mean capable of getting into code A by qualifiers (I think moonglade probably can as long as he doesn't get a monster player in his group). GM on NA is pretty meaningless.


Did you actually read what i said....where anywhere did i say "Top level" apart from GLaDe?? I said they are pretty good and could hold there own against many players listed in this thread. I didn't say "They're top level because they are GM on NA and they could win vs other top level players" i said they are pretty good and they are only going to get better and that like the guy above me said i think for the amount of esports exposure/competitive scene Australia has had in the past we are decently represented in Sc2 and could rate with these other countries. Take out HuK from Canada for example (Which some people do, some don't) and who from there apart from KiWi could match or better mOOnGLaDe?? DDE, Slush, Drewbie, TT1, Attero i would all put behind mOOnGLaDe.
Hello friends:)
dCc
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada86 Posts
December 28 2011 20:59 GMT
#697
I'm gonna say China. They had a pretty good showing at WCG and the only reason they aren't getting recognition here is because they have been in so few foreign events with the exception of Loner.

USA, Sweden, Canada, Ukraine also have very strong teams.
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
December 29 2011 01:11 GMT
#698
On December 29 2011 05:00 BloodThirsty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5
[image loading]
This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing

Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway
FRANCE
Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS
2280 2184 2154 2113 2066
AVERAGE 2159


umm wtf pretty sure deezer is from canada we dont want him in the US

Hmm TLPD says he is from the US and Liquipedia from Canada. Someone certain where he is from?
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
December 29 2011 01:15 GMT
#699
On December 29 2011 10:11 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 05:00 BloodThirsty wrote:
On December 29 2011 04:37 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLPD ELO Data for 5 best players for a Bo5
[image loading]
This ofc isn't perfect either. MorroW quite clearly seems better than Bischu and Hasu than roof etc but I guess it is still better than just guessing

Edit: Whoops dunno what happened to France they take last place anyway
FRANCE
Stephano ToD SarenS Adelscott AureS
2280 2184 2154 2113 2066
AVERAGE 2159


umm wtf pretty sure deezer is from canada we dont want him in the US

Hmm TLPD says he is from the US and Liquipedia from Canada. Someone certain where he is from?


he come from Québec :D
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
December 29 2011 01:16 GMT
#700
Sweden.

Thorzain, Naniwa, SjoW, SaSe, Haypro, Jinro, Morrow, Merz and easily a few other big names that don't come to mind quickly. Gimme a break, I'm australian!

ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
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