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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On May 10 2011 03:17 CampinSam wrote: I'm becoming a fan of Germany, but sweden is just tearing through everything. And just to be sure, Mondragon is from germany right? he is | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On May 10 2011 02:01 wBsKillian wrote: 1. Sweden (Jinro, Morrow, nani, sjow, haypro, thorzain) 2. Ukraine ( Dimaga, kas, White Ra just so awesome) 3. Germany ( HasuObs, Socke, TLO, Mondragon, Darkforce ) 4. North America ( rated even imo) ( IdrA, Huk, TT1, Tyler ) Sorry for BM post but :p Haypro plays poor atm , he is good player but i think he got some crisis now . Diamond lv zerg NA is not country But yes 1. Sweden 2. Ukraine 3.Germany/USA 4.Poland and France has good lineup to , but not that good to compere whit top 3-4 | ||
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
For example - Sweden produces lots of excellent players, but why not Denmark, Finland and Norway? And Ukraine is a real powerhouse, but why not Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Belarus? | ||
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RoachyRoach
81 Posts
On May 09 2011 03:54 VoirDire wrote: Top 5 gotta be Sweden, Ukraine, Germany, US, Canada. clearly Canada > US  US scared of canadas hallucinated voids ^^ | ||
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r3SpaVVn
Germany109 Posts
On May 09 2011 03:58 Kentakky wrote: Throw a World cup like every 4 years make it totally baller with all the best players in one big ass arena and let us find out ^_^ I think every year would be better as 4 years is such a long time to wait... and if you look at the lifespan of brood war, there may be just 2 or 3 world cups, that's not enough :D | ||
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Vectoor
Sweden62 Posts
 Still, seeing the how the final of the tsl is swede v swede and how many tournament victories we have had recently it's hard not to brag. Ukraine, Canada and Germany all have strong lineups of course. I also feel that quite a few american players have started to show results lately. | ||
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Vectoor
Sweden62 Posts
On May 10 2011 03:25 PraetorianX wrote: What I find interesting is why some countries produce so many good players, and not others. For example - Sweden produces lots of excellent players, but why not Denmark, Finland and Norway? And Ukraine is a real powerhouse, but why not Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Belarus? Well, to be fair finland have Naama, Norway have Skruf (I think he's called? Ok, maybe they aren't too good) and Denmark have... eh, ActionJesus? :D Oh right, Ciara. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On May 10 2011 03:25 PraetorianX wrote: What I find interesting is why some countries produce so many good players, and not others. For example - Sweden produces lots of excellent players, but why not Denmark, Finland and Norway? And Ukraine is a real powerhouse, but why not Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Belarus? Well if u talk eastern europe, Romania has Nightend and deathangel and Ukraine's eastern big neighbour, Russia though a bit isolated, has many good players | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On May 09 2011 23:47 ZeraToss wrote: 1. Sweden 2. Ukraine 3. Germany 4. Canada ... 200. USA Please fill out the missing spots. On May 10 2011 02:01 wBsKillian wrote: 1. Sweden (Jinro, Morrow, nani, sjow, haypro, thorzain) 2. Ukraine ( Dimaga, kas, White Ra just so awesome) 3. Germany ( HasuObs, Socke, TLO, Mondragon, Darkforce ) 4. North America ( rated even imo) ( IdrA, Huk, TT1, Tyler ) C'mon man, don't be ignorant and lump in Canada with the USA. It's rude. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
In terms of scenes, I'd say it's the US. Biggest leagues (NASL, IPL, MLG), most money prizes, highest viewer counts. The US SC 2 scene is also a lot more international in terms of the players who are able to to participate in it than any other scene in the world. So to that end, I would say that the US could become the center of SC 2 in the foreigner's scene, if not the world, if it continues on its current trajectory. | ||
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
On May 10 2011 03:39 Vectoor wrote: Well, to be fair finland have Naama, Norway have Skruf (I think he's called? Ok, maybe they aren't too good) and Denmark have... eh, ActionJesus? :D Oh right, Ciara. I think you just made my point  | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 10 2011 03:25 PraetorianX wrote: What I find interesting is why some countries produce so many good players, and not others. For example - Sweden produces lots of excellent players, but why not Denmark, Finland and Norway? And Ukraine is a real powerhouse, but why not Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Belarus? The size of an eSports scene has a lot to do with the gaming culture of a country. Sweden is not only a power house in SC 2, but also in CS, WC 3, etc. By contrast, most of the other countries you mentioned have no comparable gaming scenes. Hence, not as many top players. If you examine it carefully, the size and population of a country really has nothing to do with eSports success. India is the second most populous country in the world (~1.1 billion people), yet has no competitive gaming culture of note and does not register at all in the eSports scene. By contrast, Sweden has 9 million people, but has some of the best competitive gamers in the world in several games. It doesn't make sense until you look at the gaming culture. As for why the gaming cultures of certain countries are better than others, that's a much harder question, and has all sorts of answers, ranging from the availability of broadband to the decisions of commercial sponsors. | ||
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Raid
United States398 Posts
All Jokes aside its pretty dumb considering Europe has the much better facilities and support than NA which is pretty unfair and predictable that EU players are of much higher quality. Any country that has a well developed e-sports scene will definitely be at the top. | ||
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PraetorianX
Sweden780 Posts
On May 10 2011 05:05 Raid wrote: For best player USA obviously if Blizzard would just balance the game for zerg Idra the worlds best player would be dominating everything. Idra might just be the world's best player, but it's also very possible that Naniwa is. Bo7 - Naniwa vs Idra. Best player in the world. Make it happen. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On May 09 2011 10:29 mikyaJ wrote: The US has far more players in the Top 100 ELO in TLPD than Sweden. ThorZain and Naniwa are killing it right now, but MorroW is not what he used to be, and Sjow is no better than [insert random NA player here] in his current form right now. Sheth, IdrA, Kawaiirice, Tyler, qxc, Response; but Sweden has others like Sase as well. The real 'numbers' country is Canada, afaik they have the most players in the Top 100 ELO atm, but no real superstar. As for my opinion, I think China, Ukraine, USA, Sweden, Canada, and Germany are the top countries. Since there is no crossregion play, you can´t compare ELO points directly afaik. It´s like saying NA Grandmaster #1 is exactly as good as EU #1 or KR #1. It may very well be that KR #25 is as strong as NA #1 or something like that. As far as I heard the EU ladder is on average better(Idra said so). (Actually he said NA ladder is so bad he has to drink to feel any challenge) That said it´s hard to not rethink recent results. I like qxc, but he ain´t performing too well as of late. So if we for example take the NASL the only undoubtedly good americans are Idra & Sheth. Coincidentally both of them train on the EU ladder whenever they can. Then for germany there are Darkforce, Socke and HasuObs performing really well. And I hate Protoss. Why can´t we have awesome Terrans and more Zergs? | ||
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
France, well sure they have some pretty good players. Just none of them are quite there as with Sweden, Ukraine and perhaps Germany. Seriously, it's jinro/morrow/naniwa/sjow or wra/dimaga/kas/strelok, you can't match that with any France setup. Germany seems to be clear 3rd in my books. | ||
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omgCRAZY
Canada551 Posts
Sweden definitely comes out on top but I could see the other 4 moving around depending on arguments and I am biased towards Canada. | ||
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
On May 10 2011 03:25 PraetorianX wrote: What I find interesting is why some countries produce so many good players, and not others. For example - Sweden produces lots of excellent players, but why not Denmark, Finland and Norway? And Ukraine is a real powerhouse, but why not Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Belarus? Sweden is always pretty good when it comes to esports. I don't think Denmark/Norway ever have same amount of high caliber players than Sweden in almost any game? As a finn I can say that there are several very good players, but none are currently at very very top. Still there's 13 finns in grandmasters, so I wouldn't consider county as failure in sc2 | ||
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