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Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
May 09 2011 14:14 GMT
#401
I'd go for Sweden, a bit biased too since they're my neighbours :D
Sucks that we don't have a single one from Norway
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
May 09 2011 14:15 GMT
#402
It's really hard to argue against Sweden as #1 and Ukraine as #2. As far as the others, I'm not sure why so many people think USA > Canada, I'm a USA player myself and it's pretty clear that Canada would crush us in a nation war. We have Idra but this is about who has the best lineup, not who has the best player.
FreshVegetables
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Finland513 Posts
May 09 2011 14:15 GMT
#403
1. Sweden
2. Ukraina
3. Germany
4. USA
5. Canada
yummy tomatoes
BRaegO
Profile Joined November 2010
United States243 Posts
May 09 2011 14:21 GMT
#404
1.Sweden
2.Ukraine
3.USA/Canada tie IMO
4.Germany

_B L/IN K YOUREYES /1 FOR YES 2 F_OR NO
Pred8oar
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany281 Posts
May 09 2011 14:28 GMT
#405
1. Sweden
2. Ukraine
3. Germany
4. USA
5. Canada
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
May 09 2011 14:39 GMT
#406
This discussion never ends , does it...?
Lithuania, obviously.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
May 09 2011 14:40 GMT
#407
Mondragon ^.^ oops a country ... well germany then hehe. Atleast this time you can't see that the OP is a sweden like the last time someone made such a thread .
goodfella
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany23 Posts
May 09 2011 14:40 GMT
#408
On May 09 2011 20:36 SuperStyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 19:54 goodfella wrote:
On May 09 2011 18:25 SuperStyle wrote:
On May 09 2011 18:16 goodfella wrote:
As far as population goes you can compare U.S. to Europe and Europe >>>> U.S.
Sweden is without a doubt the best SC2 country outside of Korea. Then Ukraine with White-Ra, Dimaga, Kas, Strelok. I Mean look at Streloks recent games, this guy barely loses anything and his Ladder record is insane. Plus EU Ladder has a better skill level than U.S.'s.
5 best swedes vs. 5 best of Ukraine could go either way at the moment, tho Thorzain and Nani would probably win their matches.

Btw. don't understand why Idra is always hyped so much by Americans, don't think he could beat any of the Top10 europeans at the moment, e.g. Nani, Thorzain, Strelok, Dimaga, morrow, Sjow, Hasu....

Ofc he can, specially at the moment since he doesnt lose ZvP anymore like he did and is in a form with an IPL win, I mean its not like he would 4-0 them or like they can 4-0 him, they would all be hard games but he could beat them, although i do believe Naniwa would still crush him. That doesnt mean that in best of 7 he cant take a game off of him.


Who besides Select (who Idra has beaten in IPL) is comparable to the Players I named as Top10 Europeans?


Ok if i understand this:
1. U said idra cant beat top 10 europeans
2. I said that he can beat probably all except Naniwa
3. Ur asking me who besides select and idra is comparable to top 10 europeans ??? - i dont quite get where this came from tbh, bit of a stupid question to ask seeing my response in previous post.
Anyways to answer ur question: no one


I referred to the IPL win obv, that was your only proof that Idra is in shape right now as it seems. None of the players he has beaten there is on the same level as the players i mentioned in my first post?!
SuperStyle
Profile Joined March 2011
United States976 Posts
May 09 2011 14:43 GMT
#409
On May 09 2011 23:40 goodfella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2011 20:36 SuperStyle wrote:
On May 09 2011 19:54 goodfella wrote:
On May 09 2011 18:25 SuperStyle wrote:
On May 09 2011 18:16 goodfella wrote:
As far as population goes you can compare U.S. to Europe and Europe >>>> U.S.
Sweden is without a doubt the best SC2 country outside of Korea. Then Ukraine with White-Ra, Dimaga, Kas, Strelok. I Mean look at Streloks recent games, this guy barely loses anything and his Ladder record is insane. Plus EU Ladder has a better skill level than U.S.'s.
5 best swedes vs. 5 best of Ukraine could go either way at the moment, tho Thorzain and Nani would probably win their matches.

Btw. don't understand why Idra is always hyped so much by Americans, don't think he could beat any of the Top10 europeans at the moment, e.g. Nani, Thorzain, Strelok, Dimaga, morrow, Sjow, Hasu....

Ofc he can, specially at the moment since he doesnt lose ZvP anymore like he did and is in a form with an IPL win, I mean its not like he would 4-0 them or like they can 4-0 him, they would all be hard games but he could beat them, although i do believe Naniwa would still crush him. That doesnt mean that in best of 7 he cant take a game off of him.


Who besides Select (who Idra has beaten in IPL) is comparable to the Players I named as Top10 Europeans?


Ok if i understand this:
1. U said idra cant beat top 10 europeans
2. I said that he can beat probably all except Naniwa
3. Ur asking me who besides select and idra is comparable to top 10 europeans ??? - i dont quite get where this came from tbh, bit of a stupid question to ask seeing my response in previous post.
Anyways to answer ur question: no one


I referred to the IPL win obv, that was your only proof that Idra is in shape right now as it seems. None of the players he has beaten there is on the same level as the players i mentioned in my first post?!


He beat socke, cloud and mana in nasl and he beat whitera like 2 days ago in star wars tournament.
ZeraToss
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1094 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:47:55
May 09 2011 14:47 GMT
#410
1. Sweden
2. Ukraine
3. Germany
4. Canada
...
200. USA
"Personality should be irrelevant. This is a computer game tournament, not a dating show." EGIdrA on "introduce yourself and say something about your personality" Idra <3
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
May 09 2011 14:50 GMT
#411
Ukraine is the best imo, i know sweedes won most of the important tourney's but from what i remember a lot of ukranian players didnt participate in them.
thoradycus
Profile Joined August 2010
Malaysia3262 Posts
May 09 2011 14:53 GMT
#412
Sweden
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 16:13:56
May 09 2011 16:12 GMT
#413
On May 09 2011 18:16 goodfella wrote:

Btw. don't understand why Idra is always hyped so much by Americans, don't think he could beat any of the Top10 europeans at the moment, e.g. Nani, Thorzain, Strelok, Dimaga, morrow, Sjow, Hasu....

He maybe would have some troubles against some of the top european protoss like Naniwa but his ZvT and his ZvZ are unbeatable in a long game.
.Enigma.
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1461 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 16:15:31
May 09 2011 16:14 GMT
#414
On May 09 2011 23:40 FeyFey wrote:
Mondragon ^.^ oops a country ... well germany then hehe. Atleast this time you can't see that the OP is a sweden like the last time someone made such a thread .



Yeah man, I hate it when the OP is a country. ^^

"Jupiters c*ck!" - Quintus Lentulus Batiatus
RotterdaM
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands684 Posts
May 09 2011 16:18 GMT
#415
Ukraine closely followed by Sweden, then nothing for a while and then Finland/Poland/france, followed by germany usa russia and canada
Commentatorwww.instagram.com/RotterdaM08 for pictures of cute puppies.
Mangemongen
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden125 Posts
May 09 2011 16:20 GMT
#416
poor hayprO is always forgotten.
3DGlaDOS
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany607 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 17:02:27
May 09 2011 17:01 GMT
#417
1. Sweden (Jinro, Morrow, nani, sjow, haypro, thorzain)
2. Ukraine ( Dimaga, kas, White Ra just so awesome)
3. Germany ( HasuObs, Socke, TLO, Mondragon, Darkforce )
4. North America ( rated even imo) ( IdrA, Huk, TT1, Tyler )
Hello Sir, do you have a minute for atheism?
THEPPLsELBOW
Profile Joined November 2010
United States190 Posts
May 09 2011 17:18 GMT
#418
usa is better than germany

idra > tlo
qxc > goody,
mondragon = tyler ide say

also, select is better than every one of the aforementioned names >.>
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
May 09 2011 18:12 GMT
#419
On May 10 2011 02:18 THEPPLsELBOW wrote:
usa is better than germany

idra > tlo
qxc > goody,
mondragon = tyler ide say

also, select is better than every one of the aforementioned names >.>

and he is Korean. He represents Korea in competitions, if u count him american, then count Huk and Jinro Korean
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Glueburn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States496 Posts
May 09 2011 18:17 GMT
#420
I'm becoming a fan of Germany, but sweden is just tearing through everything.

And just to be sure, Mondragon is from germany right?
Sometimes you have to play a long time to be able to play like yourself. - Miles Davis
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