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HeLToFF
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden11 Posts
May 09 2011 12:14 GMT
#381
I think swedes (including myself) have crowned ourselves the leading E-sport nation in the world (counting out Korea).

I think we also, atleast for the moment have the best lineup and hopefully it will stay that way for a while =)
The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable.
Pocketsocks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States192 Posts
May 09 2011 12:16 GMT
#382
Sweden, 3 scary terrans Jinro, Sjow and ThorZain with an amazing toss player Naniwa
When you want to succeed as bad as you want to breathe, you will be successful.
Mowr
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden791 Posts
May 09 2011 12:36 GMT
#383
Ukraine seems to have the most solid lineup I think.
Kill one man and they'll call you a murderer. Kill an army of men and they'll call you a general. But kill all men and they'll call you a god.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 12:41:17
May 09 2011 12:40 GMT
#384
Sweden > Ukraine > Germany = USA > Canada > Most of the rest

Sweden and Ukraine are pretty self explanitory

Where Germany has skill USA makes up in pure numbers, and then theres Canada.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
aznboi918
Profile Joined February 2010
United States70 Posts
May 09 2011 12:40 GMT
#385
China... c'mon guys lol...
"I want to share my bloody tears with those who cry because the road they chose was too difficult, or those that gave up their dreams to take the road that was a little easier." (Lim Yo Hwan)
Xodushai
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden174 Posts
May 09 2011 13:10 GMT
#386
Sweden I would say, of course a little biased but hey:

Jinro, MorroW, Sjow, NaNiwa, ThorZaIN, Sase, Lalush, jimpo, Naugrim etc.

2 MLG victories, 2 IEM victories, final 2 in TSL 3 are swedish, Jinro GSL semi twice etc.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
May 09 2011 13:22 GMT
#387
Doesn't matter if you're Swedish or not, it's quite clear from tournament results that Sweden is second after Korea. That said, Ukraine is indeed amazing. That the US and to some extent Germany is strong is not surprising, but Ukraine is not a country you would expect to be a beast in esports, and Sweden just has such a small population that it's quite amazing how many good players there are.

Feels shitty to be a Swede and sucking hardcore at the game though, need to live up to my nation, get my shit together.
h41fgod
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden377 Posts
May 09 2011 13:46 GMT
#388
Considering the 122000 dollars Sweden has taken so far in price money, Sweden performs better than the US and Canada put together.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51101 Posts
May 09 2011 13:50 GMT
#389
On May 09 2011 04:00 Horse...falcon wrote:
Ukraine's pretty beastly.

WhiteRa, Dimaga, Strelok, Kas


Sweden's probably the winner

Morrow, Jinro, Thorzain, Naniwa, Sjow


Canada

Huk, Kiwikaki, TT1, Drewbie, lots of others

Germany

TLO, Hasuobs, Darkforce, Socke



Mondragon for germany.

FFS how could you forget mondragon.
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Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
May 09 2011 13:50 GMT
#390
I'd say its between Sweden and the US.
Megakenny
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada829 Posts
May 09 2011 13:51 GMT
#391
Definetly Sweden. Without a doubt they're the strongest at this point.
Davildo
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden21 Posts
May 09 2011 13:53 GMT
#392
OP needs a poll!
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 14:02:33
May 09 2011 13:55 GMT
#393
On May 09 2011 04:02 mr_tolkien wrote:
Nobody thinks France is quite up there ?

Adelscott, Stephano, Moman, Song, Sarens would make quite an ace team...

EDIT : I think Sweden is first, but that France is underrated. We could add Carn, Soju, and Aures.


but as you could see in nationwars, thats not close to ukraine or germany and not even top5

i think so far its Sweden, Germany, Ukraine in the top3 followed by USA and then its start getting close perhaps russia

to better see:

sweden: Jinro, MorroW, Sjow, NaNiwa, ThorZaIN, Sase, jimpo, Naugrim, haypro etc. (no i dont think lalush ^^)

ukraine: kas strelok white-ra dimaga

germany: socke mondragon goody hasuobs tlo darkforce ... not mention delphi inuh xlord mardow naruto miou rine farmer and hopefully soon infernal etc etc
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Comet702
Profile Joined April 2010
China236 Posts
May 09 2011 13:56 GMT
#394
seems no one metioned China~!
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viii
Profile Joined March 2011
United States266 Posts
May 09 2011 13:58 GMT
#395
I think Ukraine, whitera, dimaga and i think kas!
For those who came from nothing, and became something - DGK
xrayEU
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden571 Posts
May 09 2011 14:01 GMT
#396
I haven't seen anyone mentioning HayprO for Team Sweden!
OT: Sweden has the best pro lineup atm.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 09 2011 14:01 GMT
#397
On May 09 2011 22:53 Davildo wrote:
OP needs a poll!


I second this!

But like someone earlier said just look at the pricemonzey from each country.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
May 09 2011 14:02 GMT
#398
On May 09 2011 22:56 Comet702 wrote:
seems no one metioned China~!


cause i cant see a single top chinese player, loner one of the best chinese is no europe top
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
DivineSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States128 Posts
May 09 2011 14:05 GMT
#399
Ukraine has like 4 or 5 top tier players :\. I think Sweden easily has it, followed by the Ukraine, I really dont see how people can list the US till some of the players travel outside the states to prove themselves, or hell even win an MLG.
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Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 17:17:37
May 09 2011 14:10 GMT
#400
On May 09 2011 04:02 mr_tolkien wrote:
Nobody thinks France is quite up there ?

Adelscott, Stephano, Moman, Song, Sarens would make quite an ace team...

EDIT : I think Sweden is first, but that France is underrated. We could add Carn, Soju, and Aures.


Wow Tolkien I don't agree. Players who have european level in France are Adel, SarenS and Stephano. I think we can add KenZy and MoMaN when they are in a good shape. AureS can egually snipe some top european players. And that's ALL.

SonG is of course not bad, but It's totally not the same level...

Soju don't play competitively so not at all.

And cArn... LOL.
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