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Alabasern
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coolcor
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On June 29 2011 12:29 djWHEAT wrote: Who isn't trying to make every penny they can? When did this become an illegal act? I don't get it. I see TL selling shirts, I wear those shirts on my shows hoping that others will buy them. Why? Cause I know that TL gets some money, the community gets to represent, and that all grows this space. (Plus I fucking love them) I really don't understand how that is so very difficult to understand? This whole world is built on that very concept, yet people seem reluctant and selective when it comes to that sort of thing. Do you think that Tyler wears his Stride gum patches for shits and giggles? Do you think Intel's logo on Dignitas' home page is there because they just don't like AMD? I could go on and on but it really just boils down to one thing: $$$ I'm guilty too. I want to make those pennies from eSports so I can make more content. So I can have shows on 7 days a week. All of the examples above are not bad things like you make them out to seem. Every single one of those things benefits the growth... so are you in? Or are you out? Ya anyone who doesn't like what EG did hates capitalism and esports! (Why does Tyler hate things that grow esports?) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:29 djWHEAT wrote: Who isn't trying to make every penny they can? When did this become an illegal act? I don't get it. I see TL selling shirts, I wear those shirts on my shows hoping that others will buy them. Why? Cause I know that TL gets some money, the community gets to represent, and that all grows this space. (Plus I fucking love them) I really don't understand how that is so very difficult to understand? This whole world is built on that very concept, yet people seem reluctant and selective when it comes to that sort of thing. Do you think that Tyler wears his Stride gum patches for shits and giggles? Do you think Intel's logo on Dignitas' home page is there because they just don't like AMD? I could go on and on but it really just boils down to one thing: $$$ I'm guilty too. I want to make those pennies from eSports so I can make more content. So I can have shows on 7 days a week. All of the examples above are not bad things like you make them out to seem. Every single one of those things benefits the growth... so are you in? Or are you out? Why wouldn't you want to make money doing something you love? Isn't that the master plan? Why would anyone want to do anything less? The people who are crying are either unreasonable, want to be outraged just to be outraged or don't understand how the professional world works. People need to make choices in life and making a living working in Esports isn't any different. Geoff doesn't have unlimited time and really wants to win. We should support him and everything else doesn't really matter. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:21 CrossTheRiver wrote: Nothing about today's show was pr bull crap. I don't understand the need to twist up Alex's words, to twist up Scoots words to suit your already preconceived and bias opinion about what's really going on here. Some observations: Alex was thorough and specific in explaining the behind the scenes details of the SOTG issue. He was well spoken and communicated those details in a thoughtful manner. It is my opinion he told the truth. Incontrol right in front of Alex said he'd go back on SOTG and Alex agreed that that was no problem. Incontrol pointed out that it really is none of our damn business what he does and he was correct in saying so. I get it that people love SOTG. I get it that people didn't want to lose that. What I don't get is the persistent need to spread conjectures, assumptions, and in some cases flat out lies, to demonize people who didn't actually do anything wrong. I'm all for community justice but this just isn't it. It's a lynch mob and it's wrong to be repeating inaccurate and disparaging information about people just because you perceive them as having taken something you enjoy away. This post is so well worded and correct its amazing. I hope everybody wraps their head around it and realizes how correct it is. People need to realize that nobody is out to hurt other people and nobody is out there lying to us. We should be happy with what we have and hope that this comes to a conclusion that is best for all of us. I understand people being upset and angry but I wish people wouldn't say things when we really have no clue of all the details, it only makes more confusion and that leads to false facts which leads to people blindly hating on teams, players, and programs. People accusing companies like EG and coL of tryng to make money wherever they can is hilarious, if these guys were out to make money I can guarantee you they would NOT be investing in eSports in the first place, there are far better ways to make money with much less risk in a much more explored venue. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:29 djWHEAT wrote: Who isn't trying to make every penny they can? When did this become an illegal act? I don't get it. I see TL selling shirts, I wear those shirts on my shows hoping that others will buy them. Why? Cause I know that TL gets some money, the community gets to represent, and that all grows this space. (Plus I fucking love them) I really don't understand how that is so very difficult to understand? This whole world is built on that very concept, yet people seem reluctant and selective when it comes to that sort of thing. Do you think that Tyler wears his Stride gum patches for shits and giggles? Do you think Intel's logo on Dignitas' home page is there because they just don't like AMD? I could go on and on but it really just boils down to one thing: $$$ I'm guilty too. I want to make those pennies from eSports so I can make more content. So I can have shows on 7 days a week. All of the examples above are not bad things like you make them out to seem. Every single one of those things benefits the growth... so are you in? Or are you out? My main problem is that for a month now people were saying "it's not about money, it's not about money. It's about practice time and busy schedules" and then turns out hey, it is about money! Then everyone involved (including you) starts going ya, it's about the money, but so that fuck what. It just feels too much like people changing their tune to suit the music.  | ||
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Chainfire99
Canada474 Posts
Haters are gonna hate. They feed of that ish and the attention it draws. Don't feed the trolls. | ||
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Thraso
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:40 nvs. wrote: My main problem is that for a month now people were saying "it's not about money, it's not about money. It's about practice time and busy schedules" and then turns out hey, it is about money! Then everyone involved (including you) starts going ya, it's about the money, but so that fuck what. It just feels too much like people changing their tune to suit the music. Well should they entertain you for free? How MiniWheat going to go to college if his Dad spends all of his free time on Esports and doesn't make a dime? Is Anna supposed to support Geoff while practices 10 hours a day? Of course its about the money, because it allows them to do what they love. Its a factor. I don't go to work because I love it there. I go to work because I need the money to survive. | ||
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Chainfire99
Canada474 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:40 nvs. wrote: My main problem is that for a month now people were saying "it's not about money, it's not about money. It's about practice time and busy schedules" and then turns out hey, it is about money! Then everyone involved (including you) starts going ya, it's about the money, but so that fuck what. It just feels too much like people changing their tune to suit the music. WHO CARES! Does it affect you in any way? Do I really care about djWHEAT'S evil plan *sarcasm* to take over the world? I care about the content. Get out of peoples' heads and trying to pin down agendas. These are shows about a game...a hobby. Save the politics for your poli sci classes or your community's mayoral campaigns and country's federal elections. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:29 djWHEAT wrote: All of the examples above are not bad things like you make them out to seem. Every single one of those things benefits the growth... so are you in? Or are you out? I kind of object to this notion of "are you in or are you out" as if I have to support everything or nothing and there can be no in between. Why can't I support teams having/selling T-shirts but not support Tyler's "if you don't give a shit about what gum you chew" campaign? I am actually quite bothered by this whole I have to be for every aspect of E-Sports or I am somehow against E-Sports. I want to just be a fan, I don't want to feel obligated to be a fan, and I most certainly don't want to feel guilty if I'm not a fan. This sort of "you're with us or you're against us" is really troubling/dangerous to which anyone following US foreign relations over that last decade can attest. | ||
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Quenchiest
Canada286 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:29 djWHEAT wrote: Who isn't trying to make every penny they can? When did this become an illegal act? I don't get it. I see TL selling shirts, I wear those shirts on my shows hoping that others will buy them. Why? Cause I know that TL gets some money, the community gets to represent, and that all grows this space. (Plus I fucking love them) I really don't understand how that is so very difficult to understand? This whole world is built on that very concept, yet people seem reluctant and selective when it comes to that sort of thing. Do you think that Tyler wears his Stride gum patches for shits and giggles? Do you think Intel's logo on Dignitas' home page is there because they just don't like AMD? I could go on and on but it really just boils down to one thing: $$$ I'm guilty too. I want to make those pennies from eSports so I can make more content. So I can have shows on 7 days a week. All of the examples above are not bad things like you make them out to seem. Every single one of those things benefits the growth... so are you in? Or are you out? This is exactly it. For e-sports to become legitimate it also has to become a business. Players not liking the overly PR side of things from some teams need to realize that a good business also wants to attempt to keep a decent reputation. Also, calling other players "sell-outs" because they want to be a part of these teams is ridiculous. Some of the more outspoken players end up having to reel it in a bit, but that's just how it is. This is also why athletes have PR managers. So they don't get themselves into shit and put a black eye on the team/business/organization they're representing. Such is life. As e-sports continues to grow, money will continue to become a bigger part of the business. And it's not a bad thing when it all encourages the growth and legitimacy of e-sports | ||
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happyness
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CrossTheRiver
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On June 29 2011 12:40 nvs. wrote: My main problem is that for a month now people were saying "it's not about money, it's not about money. It's about practice time and busy schedules" and then turns out hey, it is about money! Then everyone involved (including you) starts going ya, it's about the money, but so that fuck what. It just feels too much like people changing their tune to suit the music. Why do the two have to be mutually exclusive? Couldn't it be both? I think we can all agree incontrol was getting stretched pretty thin there and something had to give. I know he mentioned on his stream he needs to spend more time with Anna and it's really hard to do that and practice enough, and do shows, and make money, and the list goes on. Also, people in the know, IE incontrol, JP, scoots, never said it was NOT about the money. I don't remember anyone outright declaring that money was not a motivating factor. What we did see was a lot of "needs more time to do other things". The truth of the matter is incontrol left some ambiguity there and JP wouldn't get into the details and people just made up their own nonsense in order to fill the void. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:50 happyness wrote: Can anyone tell me when wheat usually uploads these? I want to listen to the episode during work tomorrow. You can subscribe on Itunes as an audio or video podcast. | ||
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P0ckets
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:53 CrossTheRiver wrote: Also, people in the know, IE incontrol, JP, scoots, never said it was NOT about the money. I don't remember anyone outright declaring that money was not a motivating factor. What we did see was a lot of "needs more time to do other things". Oddly, I have the opposite recollection. They continually denied that iNc leaving had anything to do with sponsor conflicts and what have you. That's why it's so frustrating for to now hear that this is exactly why iNc had to leave. I begrudge no one the right to make money. And I don't begrudge iNc the right to do whatever he wants to with his time. But as long as he markets himself as a personality (and that's exactly what he does, like it or not, when he streams and does podcasts), I do have a right to expect honesty from him. If he'd come out and said, "I have to leave SOTG because of sponsor conflicts and my obligation to do things for EG," that would've been fine. But that's not the song that was being sung a month ago. | ||
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coolcor
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On June 29 2011 12:53 CrossTheRiver wrote: Why do the two have to be mutually exclusive? Couldn't it be both? I think we can all agree incontrol was getting stretched pretty thin there and something had to give. I know he mentioned on his stream he needs to spend more time with Anna and it's really hard to do that and practice enough, and do shows, and make money, and the list goes on. Also, people in the know, IE incontrol, JP, scoots, never said it was NOT about the money. I don't remember anyone outright declaring that money was not a motivating factor. What we did see was a lot of "needs more time to do other things". The truth of the matter is incontrol left some ambiguity there and JP wouldn't get into the details and people just made up their own nonsense in order to fill the void. DJwheat posted a lot making fun of the conspiracy theorists who said it was about the money. He even made fun of them on weapon of choice I think. Here is one post from reddit. Sorry if it sounded like I was accusing you of some wrong doing. I didn't mean it that way, more to say that a lot of the stuff you have been doing lately is with team EG members and it could explain inControl's preference. Nothing shady. [–]djWHEAT 12 points 1 month ago I've also done alot with MLG, IPL, TeamLiquid, etc. Yes I absolutely enjoy working with EG. They are a company who has provided me work over the past 4 years, and it's no secret that SirScoots and I are good friends. But I think the "conspiracy" that people are throwing around is pretty silly because if there was this much "GODLIKE CONTROL" coming out of EG or OneMoreGame, wouldn't it make sense that either org told me I couldn't do MLG, IPL, TL, Tactics 3D, etc? I completely understand where you were coming from with your statement, and hopefully people will consider every perspective instead of creating false drama/accusations (which seems to be a rising trend in eSports / Pro-Gaming). | ||
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VenerableSpace
United States463 Posts
If you wanne support the shows, watch em. otherwise dont watch em or block ads. easy And i dont like how theres an ultimatum "are you in or out" as wheat suggested, i pay for my GSL, MLG, homestorycup passes and i will continue doing so to watch quality gameplay. by not wanting to support a organization that lies and tries to make nice AFTER the fact doesnt make me "against" esports. Had EG been upfront, i would have understood that shit happens. the fact that they lied about it then backtracked when they were caught with their pants down is what bothers me and should bother everyone. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On June 29 2011 13:13 P0ckets wrote: I am confused as to why there was a Sponsorship conflict. I mean if a sponsorship conflict were the real reason for him leaving, wouldn't that mean other EG members such as IdrA and Machine would have to do likewise? From what I understood from the choppy discussion the only person not allowed to continue was iNcontrol. Why is it only about him and not about all EG members. Basically, it was initially a sponsorship conflict as one of steel series competitors was going to sponsor SotG. EG seeing this attempted to get steel series to sponsor SotG, however this didn't work out. Because of the sponsorship competition, Incontrol (who is the only EG member who is a cohost of SotG) would have to choose between his team and SotG (which he would get payed for by new sponsor), seeing this EG did a kind thing by paying InControl to be a part of the new show (ITG), his pay was equal to what he would get if he remained on SotG. Once ITG was ready and set up for launch, SotG reveals (not to public but to EG) that it wont be taking the sponsorship deal with the other company. Now we have the problem of Incontrol not having enough time to do everything (NASL/SOTG/ITG/Coach/Practice/Media things/Life), some things obviously had to go. ITG was too far in to back out now, so InControl chose to leave SotG and NASL instead. The reason why its mostly about him is because Idra and Machine are not cohosts on SotG (even though idra is on quite frequently). Also idra and machine dont have a super packed schedule like Incontrol. And alex stated today that all of them can be guests if they wished. | ||
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CrossTheRiver
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On June 29 2011 13:15 GeorgeForeman wrote: Oddly, I have the opposite recollection. They continually denied that iNc leaving had anything to do with sponsor conflicts and what have you. That's why it's so frustrating for to now hear that this is exactly why iNc had to leave. I begrudge no one the right to make money. And I don't begrudge iNc the right to do whatever he wants to with his time. But as long as he markets himself as a personality (and that's exactly what he does, like it or not, when he streams and does podcasts), I do have a right to expect honesty from him. If he'd come out and said, "I have to leave SOTG because of sponsor conflicts and my obligation to do things for EG," that would've been fine. But that's not the song that was being sung a month ago. Actually you don't. Incontrol doesn't owe you, me, or anyone anything. It's our choice to follow him. Just because we tune into his stream doesn't automatically make him obligated to tell us anything. That said go watch the last SOTG episode again. It's very clear when JP mentions what is going on that all that is said is incontrol is moving on to other projects. I don't know how YOU do things, but I usually try to get my information directly from the source, and I try to ignore all the tangent sources of information, so when JP says incontrol is leaving because of "other projects" I believe him. And that's that. If there was a lot of talking about there being no sponsor conflict, that would probably be because there wasn't a sponsor conflict. Alex explained the whole thing. If you missed that I suggest you listen to the end of Inside the games most recent episode. Either way I find your sense of entitlement ridiculous. | ||
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