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Powerforged2
Canada48 Posts
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
What did JP do before SotG?? Was he involved in eSports before SC2?? He did WoW stuff for MLG, not sure prior to that. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
Sorry, but I had to. | ||
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Powerforged2
Canada48 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:39 Duravi wrote: He did WoW stuff for MLG, not sure prior to that. Most people wouldn't consider WoW to be an eSport lol. | ||
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JackhammerIV
United Kingdom221 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:42 godemperor wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yB7J7DYi6M Sorry, but I had to. No need to be sorry. That was what I was going for.:D Nice.:D | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:46 Powerforged2 wrote: Most people wouldn't consider WoW to be an eSport lol. So what's your point? JP was doing WoW related stuff for MLG before getting involved with sc2. That's all | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:47 JackhammerIV wrote: No need to be sorry. That was what I was going for.:D Nice.:D You set me up! I feel so used now.  | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
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JackhammerIV
United Kingdom221 Posts
LOL. Sorry. Quickly edit and delete it.:p | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:56 taLbuk wrote: People hating on ITG as if they tried to "steal" or "copy" SotG are so ignorant and uninformed its sickening. Than again 90% of those probably have never watched it. now itg would have to get this thread locked to copy sotg! wheat make it happen. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote: They should have had JP on the show too. Then maybe some progress could have been made. But as it was, it was just another round of PR from EG. The priority is on making EG look good, not accurate reporting. So this had the vibe of a "coming clean" behind-the-scenes explanation, but it's still just one very biased perspective. Closer to the truth but still utterly useless. I agree completely with this. I think part of the problem is the statement "I don't want to speak for the other party". When you use that statement in this situation it sort of sounds like "I don't have to speak for the other party, and since speaking for the other party portrays my negative side, I won't speak for the other party". While that rule could work out, when people expose things (as they often do in the SC2 community), the original company tends to get even more hate for only portraying one side of the story. This same rule applies to situations like the EGMC situation where colby posted strictly EG's view on it, then Tyler posted strictly TL's view on it to show how misleading it can be. Also with the complexity releasing destiny thing, where the original op made it sound like he broke the contract rules and was therefore being booted, while it was really more of a mutual separation. It was nice of Alex to come on and provide the community with more information on the subject, but this whole thing could have been avoided if the information was just released from the start. Also I have no idea why people compare SOTG and ITG, really they're very different things. SOTG is more news related/drunk players having fun while ITG is more of an educational show. Either way they're both awesome. | ||
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r4pture
United States397 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote: They should have had JP on the show too. Then maybe some progress could have been made. But as it was, it was just another round of PR from EG. The priority is on making EG look good, not accurate reporting. So this had the vibe of a "coming clean" behind-the-scenes explanation, but it's still just one very biased perspective. Closer to the truth but still utterly useless. I absolutely agree with this. Then entire show was all-EG all-day, and so is a lot of OneMoreGame.tvs programs directly because of SirScoots involvement. I don't believe ITG will ever reach the levels of SOTG, and this entire things continues to sour a lot of peoples (mine included) views of "big time" teams like EG and Complexity, simply because they are so wrapped in PR bullshit and making every penny they can, that no one can just go out and say something, it all has to be wrapped up in "political speech". | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:20 Liquid`Tyler wrote: They should have had JP on the show too. Then maybe some progress could have been made. But as it was, it was just another round of PR from EG. The priority is on making EG look good, not accurate reporting. So this had the vibe of a "coming clean" behind-the-scenes explanation, but it's still just one very biased perspective. Closer to the truth but still utterly useless. We got far more that we are entitled to know, if we are entitled to anything at all. EG's job is to keep EG going and make sure all its employees and players are taken care of to the best of their ability. That is how a good business is run. Any deals, arrangements or other business dealings should be kept private, because its none of our business. In an adult, professional world, you have to accept you don't get to know every little detail of what is going on. And frankly, who cares as long as we all get enjoyable games and shows. If JP wants to bring up the issue, he can and has the ability to do so. If you have something to add, just add it and move on. But this endless whining about not getting enough "truth" it wearing thin. They will never live up to your standards, Tyler, because no professional organization can. What you demand cannot be provided and you will always have something to complain about. | ||
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CrossTheRiver
26 Posts
Some observations: Alex was thorough and specific in explaining the behind the scenes details of the SOTG issue. He was well spoken and communicated those details in a thoughtful manner. It is my opinion he told the truth. Incontrol right in front of Alex said he'd go back on SOTG and Alex agreed that that was no problem. Incontrol pointed out that it really is none of our damn business what he does and he was correct in saying so. I get it that people love SOTG. I get it that people didn't want to lose that. What I don't get is the persistent need to spread conjectures, assumptions, and in some cases flat out lies, to demonize people who didn't actually do anything wrong. I'm all for community justice but this just isn't it. It's a lynch mob and it's wrong to be repeating inaccurate and disparaging information about people just because you perceive them as having taken something you enjoy away. | ||
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blizzind
United States642 Posts
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:08 r4pture wrote: I don't believe ITG will ever reach the levels of SOTG, and this entire things continues to sour a lot of peoples (mine included) views of "big time" teams like EG and Complexity, simply because they are so wrapped in PR bullshit and making every penny they can, that no one can just go out and say something, it all has to be wrapped up in "political speech". Who isn't trying to make every penny they can? When did this become an illegal act? I don't get it. I see TL selling shirts, I wear those shirts on my shows hoping that others will buy them. Why? Cause I know that TL gets some money, the community gets to represent, and that all grows this space. (Plus I fucking love them) I really don't understand how that is so very difficult to understand? This whole world is built on that very concept, yet people seem reluctant and selective when it comes to that sort of thing. Do you think that Tyler wears his Stride gum patches for shits and giggles? Do you think Intel's logo on Dignitas' home page is there because they just don't like AMD? I could go on and on but it really just boils down to one thing: $$$ I'm guilty too. I want to make those pennies from eSports so I can make more content. So I can have shows on 7 days a week. All of the examples above are not bad things like you make them out to seem. Every single one of those things benefits the growth... so are you in? Or are you out? | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
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Rocor
United States55 Posts
just be transparent -or- if the sponsors and 'other parties' are that sensitive to community transparency, then just give the 'no comment' response instead of giving out half or partial truths.. oddly enough, I think people would respect that more... it seems as if the EG management view the community as if it were 10-15 years ago...where everything was a PR statement, and people just accepted them (which btw was a big part of the current economic collapse) | ||
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Chainfire99
Canada474 Posts
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Castrophy
United States232 Posts
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