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On June 29 2011 14:03 Powerforged2 wrote:
Seems to me EG is focusing more on the business side then they are on the gaming side. I can't really blame them there is money to be made right now and I think they are just trying to cash in as fast as possible before this bubble bursts.
It kinda seems that way for everything here in NA. Talk shows, coaching, tourneys, streams, youtube channels, twitter and facebook accounts... so many things in a very short time span. Cash in now when the irons hot, in 2-3 years when the Korean scene takes over, the bubble will burst, the companies will have made their money and the NA scene will dwindle in numbers and the only people remaining will be the truly passionate about sc2.
On what facts your statement is based on? Or is this more of that famous Internet theorycrafting.
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On June 29 2011 13:47 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 13:35 MrDudeMan wrote:
Also I don't see how anyone can say that stating a partial truth is better publicity then stating the whole truth. Just look at the past dramas between teams and the community. I don't want to get involved in all this drama, but stating the partial truth is almost ALWAYS better. It people told the whole truth and nothing but the truth there would be even MORE drama than there is already. Something to keep in mind when your next girlfriend asks you if you like her friends or a cop asks you if you know how fast you were going. 
Right but its only better if the whole truth isn't found out. In which case its always worst. And as history has shown us, the whole truth is eventually revealed.
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On June 29 2011 14:11 MrDudeMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 13:47 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2011 13:35 MrDudeMan wrote:
Also I don't see how anyone can say that stating a partial truth is better publicity then stating the whole truth. Just look at the past dramas between teams and the community. I don't want to get involved in all this drama, but stating the partial truth is almost ALWAYS better. It people told the whole truth and nothing but the truth there would be even MORE drama than there is already. Something to keep in mind when your next girlfriend asks you if you like her friends or a cop asks you if you know how fast you were going. Right but its only better if the whole truth isn't found out. In which case its always worst. And as history has shown us, the whole truth is eventually revealed.
Oh man! I don't know if I agree with that statement. There's probably a whole web of lies and horseshit we probably don't know about and never will.
But we're digressing ...
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On June 29 2011 13:59 ElevenB wrote:
I think the real question here is this. Why didn't JP take the offer from EG? And why have we not received an answer to that?
What makes you think he owes you an explanation?
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On June 29 2011 14:03 Powerforged2 wrote:
Seems to me EG is focusing more on the business side then they are on the gaming side. I can't really blame them there is money to be made right now and I think they are just trying to cash in as fast as possible before this bubble bursts.
This. After you live with EG members during SC2 Beta and for the year afterwards.. You learn about some pretty dick things EG does. Shit, you shoulda saw how EG treated their SC players when BW was still popular.
But EG is a business and the it's goal is to be able to support their players, please their sponsors, and do what it takes to stay ahead of the competition. It's just like any business in today's world.
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On June 29 2011 14:14 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 14:11 MrDudeMan wrote:On June 29 2011 13:47 Defacer wrote:On June 29 2011 13:35 MrDudeMan wrote:
Also I don't see how anyone can say that stating a partial truth is better publicity then stating the whole truth. Just look at the past dramas between teams and the community. I don't want to get involved in all this drama, but stating the partial truth is almost ALWAYS better. It people told the whole truth and nothing but the truth there would be even MORE drama than there is already. Something to keep in mind when your next girlfriend asks you if you like her friends or a cop asks you if you know how fast you were going. Right but its only better if the whole truth isn't found out. In which case its always worst. And as history has shown us, the whole truth is eventually revealed. Oh man! I don't know if I agree with that statement. There's probably a whole web of lies and horseshit we probably don't know about and never will. But we're digressing ...
Yeah, history wasnt the right word. I meant history as in SC2 history (recent dramas involving teams).
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On June 29 2011 14:18 Thugtronik wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 13:59 ElevenB wrote:
I think the real question here is this. Why didn't JP take the offer from EG? And why have we not received an answer to that? What makes you think he owes you an explanation?
Because we're watching his freaking show! These guys are SC personalities, public figures which are accountable to the public, just like businesses are accountable to people who buy their stuff.
People don't get to make money and popularity by the goodwill and purchase decisions of the community without having to deal with the pitfalls of fame. It's that simple.
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On June 29 2011 14:09 Piski wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 14:03 Powerforged2 wrote:
Seems to me EG is focusing more on the business side then they are on the gaming side. I can't really blame them there is money to be made right now and I think they are just trying to cash in as fast as possible before this bubble bursts.
It kinda seems that way for everything here in NA. Talk shows, coaching, tourneys, streams, youtube channels, twitter and facebook accounts... so many things in a very short time span. Cash in now when the irons hot, in 2-3 years when the Korean scene takes over, the bubble will burst, the companies will have made their money and the NA scene will dwindle in numbers and the only people remaining will be the truly passionate about sc2. On what facts your statement is based on? Or is this more of that famous Internet theorycrafting.
People are always looking for the next big thing, it's the American way. All about money, make it when its hot, get out before it cools.
Look at MMO's. There were a few before WoW, tight nit communities. Couple million people playing. WoW comes out, huge hit... millions of people playing money being made hand over fist, all of a sudden MMO's popping up everywhere, looking, hoping for the next big thing only to fail, or break even at best
This applies to alot of different areas. TV shows like survivor, American idol.. those shows come on the scene and before you know it you have the next big thing popping up, The amazing race, big brother, so you think you can dance, america has talent etc etc.
Always evolving, most things being a hit for a few years and then fading away in the spotlight to be replaced with something else with only the dedicated and passionate left over to keep everything afloat.
Internet theorycrafting?? Maybe. Just my view on the situation at hand
lots of people in the race right now, we just have to wait and see who will finish first
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When will the VOD be up for episode 8?
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On June 29 2011 15:06 Whitewing wrote:
When will the VOD be up for episode 8?
tomorrow according to wheat's twitter.
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Thank you, I appreciate the assistance. I really should consider signing up for twitter.
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On June 29 2011 14:29 SimDawg wrote:
Because we're watching his freaking show! These guys are SC personalities, public figures which are accountable to the public, just like businesses are accountable to people who buy their stuff.
They're providing you with free content. They don't owe you a damn thing you self entitled ingrate.
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On June 29 2011 10:48 Darpa wrote:
Frankly I am suprised and very happy that EG had the guts to come out an be honest. After reading all the posts and listening to the show I am much more comfortable with what happened. It sounds like it was much more a coincidence of bad circumstances that snowballed into what happened, than any vindictive conflict between sponsers. The reason that most of the people on here have such hate for EG is simply because they are unaware of how business works, and felt cheated out of a great personality. After listening to what Alex had to say, I cant see how people would still be upset over it.
It would be nice if InControl went back to STOG but I would understand if he didnt. I hope that Scoots And/Or Alex know that the big silent group of people (perhaps older?) understand that circumstances like this happen all the time in the real world. I for one am thankful that things have been cleared up and explained.
I hope both shows succeed, best of Luck STOG and ITG.
They were only honest after it was accidentally leaked on Inc's stream. I'm disgusted not only that they tried to lie about it, but also that they tried to ruing sotg and replace it with itg which is (imo) a poor replacement. Nothing against Wheat, but he's much better at giving the old guy / no bullshit perspective than the broing out atmosphere that both sotg and itg try to achieve. + itg lacks tyler and day.
EDIT: Money ruins everything, but if EG had just been honest, saying basically they were trapped between sponsors they couldn't control, I'd be much more sympathetic to them, whereas now I'm just angry at what I see as a desperate attempt at Scoots to have his candy and eat it too.
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On June 29 2011 15:39 Quallen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 14:29 SimDawg wrote:
Because we're watching his freaking show! These guys are SC personalities, public figures which are accountable to the public, just like businesses are accountable to people who buy their stuff.
They're providing you with free content. They don't owe you a damn thing you self entitled ingrate.
Well, they need viewers to attract sponsors, and they need sponsors to make money, and money is apparently the root of e-sports success. O_O
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On June 29 2011 14:30 Powerforged2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 14:09 Piski wrote:On June 29 2011 14:03 Powerforged2 wrote:
Seems to me EG is focusing more on the business side then they are on the gaming side. I can't really blame them there is money to be made right now and I think they are just trying to cash in as fast as possible before this bubble bursts.
It kinda seems that way for everything here in NA. Talk shows, coaching, tourneys, streams, youtube channels, twitter and facebook accounts... so many things in a very short time span. Cash in now when the irons hot, in 2-3 years when the Korean scene takes over, the bubble will burst, the companies will have made their money and the NA scene will dwindle in numbers and the only people remaining will be the truly passionate about sc2. On what facts your statement is based on? Or is this more of that famous Internet theorycrafting. People are always looking for the next big thing, it's the American way. All about money, make it when its hot, get out before it cools. Look at MMO's. There were a few before WoW, tight nit communities. Couple million people playing. WoW comes out, huge hit... millions of people playing money being made hand over fist, all of a sudden MMO's popping up everywhere, looking, hoping for the next big thing only to fail, or break even at best This applies to alot of different areas. TV shows like survivor, American idol.. those shows come on the scene and before you know it you have the next big thing popping up, The amazing race, big brother, so you think you can dance, america has talent etc etc. Always evolving, most things being a hit for a few years and then fading away in the spotlight to be replaced with something else with only the dedicated and passionate left over to keep everything afloat. Internet theorycrafting?? Maybe. Just my view on the situation at hand lots of people in the race right now, we just have to wait and see who will finish first
Here's the problem.
MMOs still exist. EVE's puttering along, as is City of Heroes and several others. They all live alongside WoW just fine. New games come out, some of them work, some of them don't.
Survivor, despite my own personal predictions years ago, still exists. I think Big Brother and a few of their also-rans are around. Years after the fact. Also, new reality shows come out, some work, and some don't.
In both cases, they created genres. Places where new things could live and exist, when they didn't exist before. And while the crap-work that came out in the attempt to flood the market faded away, the diamonds in those genres still exist and shine through.
Reality TV isn't a fad. MMOs aren't a fad. There may have been a popularity boom when they were first introduced, but neither genre is in any danger of going away.
Hold'Em Poker? The jury's still out on that one, but it certainly has increased its following from when it was obscure.
Sometimes, fads are just fads; they show up and disappear. And sometimes fads grab onto something. They hang around. Competitive fighting games have never been more popular; will it last? Maybe. Maybe not. Only time will tell. But a sudden surge of popularity does not mean that something is destined to exist only for a few years then die.
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So was the whole show about this drama or was there actual SC2 content as well? Cause if it is I think I ll just skip this weeks episode...
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The fundamental problem (if there is one) is imo that sotg was replaced with an inferior show (until now at least, I would never wake up at 5am to listen to itg like I was doing for sotg) only because of money issues. I know that money is needed, I'm not saying money is bad.
It's just sad that the business leaders of this community are often offering lesser products than what the community, non business driven products were offering.
Being professional in starcraft seems to mean making money, not offering a good product. Yeah, this industry is very good at creating hype, but not very good at living up to that hype. (it's a general observation, not especially about itg)
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On June 29 2011 16:47 Cocomiel wrote:
So was the whole show about this drama or was there actual SC2 content as well? Cause if it is I think I ll just skip this weeks episode...
There was content other than this bullshit at the end of it that people keep going on about.
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On June 29 2011 17:30 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 16:47 Cocomiel wrote:
So was the whole show about this drama or was there actual SC2 content as well? Cause if it is I think I ll just skip this weeks episode... There was content other than this bullshit at the end of it that people keep going on about.
Yeah a lot of Protoss questions phoned in for Inc.
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I like inside the game, but I really enjoyed SotG. I really wish instead of replacing they could have come to some sort of consensus with each other. I know this sounds like a far-fetched idea, but it would have been nice to see them work together.
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